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Numbers tell the story: Biden is a great president
By Curt_Anderson
July 27, 2023 7:00 pm
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Summary
In our seventh installment of this feature, gauging how various factors have changed under President Joe Biden, we found:

The economy added 13.2 million jobs under Biden, putting the total 3.8 million higher than before the pandemic.
The unemployment rate dropped for a time to the lowest in nearly 54 years; unfilled job openings surged, with over 1.6 for every unemployed job seeker.
Inflation roared back to the highest level in over 40 years, then slowed markedly. In all, consumer prices are up nearly 15.7%. Gasoline is up 51.2%.
Weekly earnings rose briskly, by 12.2%. But after adjusting for inflation, “real” weekly earnings went down 3.4%.
The S&P 500 has increased 20.2%
The percentage of Americans without health insurance has gone down by 1.3 percentage points.
Consumer confidence is 6.4 points lower, according to a University of Michigan index, but it has gone up for two straight months.
The number of apprehensions of those trying to cross the southern border illegally dropped dramatically in June, but is still up 310%.
U.S. crude oil production has increased 8.2%; imports are up 7.3%.
The trade deficit for goods and services climbed 30.1%.
Debt held by the public has gone up 18.9%.
Refugee admissions have increased 38.5%, but that’s 2,556 refugees per month on average — far short of Biden’s campaign goal of admitting 125,000 a year.


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Comments on "Numbers tell the story: Biden is a great president":

  1. by oldedude on July 27, 2023 7:40 pm
    Question:
    1. How do low and middle income folks feel about gas prices.

    2. How do low and middle income folks feel about grocery prices and how to feed their families.

    3. How do low and middle income folks feel about the rise in crime in big cities? especially speaking with those of colour.

    4. Why doesn't the left talk about black on black crime (other than it's racist)?


  2. by oldedude on July 27, 2023 7:59 pm
    So, just for shits and grins, lets dissect this...
    1. In all, consumer prices are up nearly 15.7%. Gasoline is up 51.2%.
    Weekly earnings rose briskly, by 12.2%. But after adjusting for inflation, “real” weekly earnings went down 3.4%.Bold
    Consumer prices are up 15.7%. mmmm... That's "good?" NOT to those on fixed income and the low to middle class!

    The S&P 500 has increased 20.2% (WTF? S&P has no bearing on the middle to low income.

    Consumer confidence is 6.4 points lower, according to a University of Michigan index, but it has gone up for two straight months.
    I'm really wondering why you would put this in. That simply means the people don't trust the government more by 6.4%. That's horrible.

    The number of apprehensions of those trying to cross the southern border illegally dropped dramatically in June, but is still up 310%.
    MOST Americans want the cull Illegal immigration by 40-75%. They actually are taking jobs people want and can take.

    U.S. crude oil production has increased 8.2%; imports are up 7.3%.
    Why is that even OKAY? That means we did a net increase of 1.1%? That's crazy stupid to me.

    The trade deficit for goods and services climbed 30.1%.
    That means we are paying 30% more for goods and services. AND 30% of what we buy has no negotiating value.

    Debt held by the public has gone up 18.9%.
    You're saying this is good? Maybe in your lily-white princess palace.

    Refugee admissions have increased 38.5%, but that’s 2,556 refugees per month on average — far short of Biden’s campaign goal of admitting 125,000 a year.

    Why do you think I hate pedojoe so much? That's NOT a positive. At all. With no doubt.


  3. by Curt_Anderson on July 27, 2023 8:02 pm
    This or any president deserves no blame or credit for gas prices.

    Grocery prices are actually down recently. There are other factors at play, higher labor costs, fraught and floods ruining crop yields, avian flu, Russia stopping Ukraine grain exports, etc.

    The latest figures from the Major Cities Chiefs Association show the number of murders has continued to decline in 70 large U.S. cities after two years of increases from 2019 to 2021. Murders declined by 7.7% in the first three months of 2023 compared with the same time period in 2022.

    The Major Cities Chiefs Association reports found a sizable 33.4% jump in the number of murders in large cities from 2019 to 2020, before Biden took office, and a 6.2% rise in Biden’s first year as president, from 2020 to 2021. But as we reported in the last Biden’s Numbers, there was a drop in murders last year of 5.1%.


  4. by oldedude on July 27, 2023 8:22 pm
    This or any president deserves no blame or credit for gas prices.
    Bullshit. They have a DIRECT influence. pedojoe pissed off the Saudis. He is taking away oil use lands and making it harder to drill.

    Grocery prices are actually down recently. There are other factors at play, higher labor costs, fraught and floods ruining crop yields, avian flu, Russia stopping Ukraine grain exports, etc.
    How do the consumers see that? The intervention of the "government" in ruined crops, Russia Stopping Ukrainian grain import (when we were at LEAST self sufficient before?

    The latest figures from the Major Cities Chiefs Association show the number of murders has continued to decline in 70 large U.S. cities after two years of increases from 2019 to 2021. Murders declined by 7.7% in the first three months of 2023 compared with the same time period in 2022.
    And yet larger, bluer, large cities are NOT on the mend. Chicago specifically.

    The Major Cities Chiefs Association reports found a sizable 33.4% jump in the number of murders in large cities from 2019 to 2020, before Biden took office, and a 6.2% rise in Biden’s first year as president, from 2020 to 2021. But as we reported in the last Biden’s Numbers, there was a drop in murders last year of 5.1%.
    So. It went up ~39%, and in the laste 2 years it dropped 5.1%?
    and that's good?


    Bold


  5. by Indy! on July 27, 2023 8:59 pm

    All the job stuff is a byproduct of Biden being president in the post-covid era. Tons of jobs were lost under Trump during the shutdown - some of them cam back under Biden. Joe did absolutely nothing to create NEW jobs.

    The rest of your numbers are pretty horrific, Curt. That's before we get to the part about those statistics being slanted at a 45 degree angle towards the top 10%. Homeless people couldn't care less about the S&P 500. Speaking of which - where are your homeless numbers? Oh right... guaranteed that went up (too) so you can't mention it.

    The only person more out of touch is OD. Crime - in general - theft, murder, etc... is WAY down overall in the last 30 years - UNBELIEVABLY low. What is WAY up in the crime category is something nobody on Fox will ever talk about - white collar on every other color collar wage theft.


  6. by HatetheSwamp on July 28, 2023 2:47 am

    The numbers tell the story, for sure. God save the Queen, man!


    projects.fivethirtyeight.com


  7. by Ponderer on July 28, 2023 7:19 am

    "1. How do low and middle income folks feel about gas prices." -od

    I would imagine just the exact same way they have always felt about gas prices, which have always gone up and down regardless of who is president.


    "2. How do low and middle income folks feel about grocery prices and how to feed their families." -od

    I would imagine just the exact same way they have always felt about grocery prices, which have always gone up and down regardless of who is president.


    "3. How do low and middle income folks feel about the rise in crime in big cities? especially speaking with those of colour." -od

    I would imagine just the exact same way they have always felt about the need for more police on the streets, regardless of who is president.


    "4. Why doesn't the left talk about black on black crime (other than it's racist)?" -od

    Why doesn't the right giveafuck about black people at all, not to mention black on black crime, olde dude? I mean, they'll talk about black people. But only during election time when they think they can weaponize black people's plight against Democrats.

    The unmitigated, hypocritical gall of you deriding Democrats for black on black crime when the right has never done a single god damned thing to help black people. Ever. While anything the Democrats try to do to help black people, the GOP does everything they can think of to stop it.

    You are a rare abnormality, olde dude, but pretty much the rest of the right doesn't actually give a flamingflyingfuck about blacks shooting each other. As far as that goes, they probably privately think it's a problem that is solving itself.




  8. by Donna on July 28, 2023 8:57 am

    "Black on Black crime" is explainable in that crime (not the white collar variety) is overwhelmingly committed by poor people in low income areas, who are usually people of color.

    I grew up in a totally White middle class neighborhood. Our house was robbed once and the cops caught the perps, who were 2 youths from our neighborhood who were also, of course, White. That's also how most Black on Black crime works.

    So od, what are you trying to say when you cite Black on Black crime statistics?







  9. by oldedude on July 28, 2023 10:09 am
    First. A disclaimer. Yes, there are fewer violent crimes now than there were 15 or whatever years ago. The major crime statistics are from cities within the states. Although Florida's violent crime is doing pretty well, Jacksonville per se is absolutely not. Orlando is also an issue.

    Regarding black on black crime. It's higher than what the left says, and they don't care. Look at long weekends. Generally, there are double digit deaths in Chicago, NYC, maybe NOLA, Atlanta, and a few others. It gets reported (although quickly) on the right side, but is usually much less than the left. That's all. It's just a fact that is overlooked, sometimes purposefully (we still have to blame the gun for jumping up and murdering people, or whitey crackers), sometimes not. If a school has a mass shooting, that's a big deal (which it should be). If three kids get murdered in their beds because some gangster can't shoot, that's a quick mention (maybe) on the nightly news, most of the time on the local spot.

    I just think we need to address this. But there are issues the left hates. Most of these shootings are done with guns that have been illegally obtained. The shooters many times have felony criminal records, and the cities have the most restrictive gun purchases, ownership, and carry laws.


  10. by Donna on July 28, 2023 10:44 am

    I don't see the right caring any more about it than the left. Republican politicians and media use the issue solely to attack Democratic mayors and by extension the Democratic Party.



  11. by oldedude on July 28, 2023 11:20 am
    Like the left attacks the gun lobby, guns, and by extension the GOP for black on black crime. Mostly because the gun put itself together, bought ammo, loaded itself and shot another person. Never saying it was the fault of the person that carried the gun for killing the three kids that were in bed.

    Welcome to politics.


  12. by Indy! on July 28, 2023 11:39 am

    We're talking about the President of the United States, ergo we are talking about crime nationwide, OD. So, your attempt to deflect aside here are some statistics nationwide the last 3 years. There is one category involving crime that has gone way up - anyone want to take a guess before I post that graph in my next entry? I'll give you a hint... it's not black on black crime.


  13. by Indy! on July 28, 2023 11:41 am

    Here is the category that has gone up. Any guesses how and why this went up? Of course we don't know for sure without doing some research, but I think it's pretty obvious...


  14. by oldedude on July 28, 2023 11:43 am
    Nice try, nimrod. Your chart stops abruptly in 2011.....


  15. by Ponderer on July 28, 2023 7:09 pm

    "Regarding black on black crime. It's higher than what the left says, and they don't care." -olde dude


    Please demonstrate for us all, olde dude, how the Republican party is far superior to the Democrats on this issue by presenting ONE SINGLE SOLITARY EXAMPLE of the Republican party doing a GOD DAMNED THING to combat and lower black on black crime. Can you do that for us, olde dude? Just one teeny tiny little example... from any time in the last THIRTY FUCKINGYEARS!!!!

    If you'd be so very kind...


  16. by oldedude on July 28, 2023 7:17 pm
    1. the community college plan to get inner city youth trained in the trades to provide them with legit income instead of gangs. Out of school, the youth had a journeyman's credentials and were getting paid better than most people in the inner city.

    2. Bringing back manufacturing jobs to the US and mostly inner cities. Combined with the community colleges, they provided good paying UNION jobs, that included health benefits and retirements (until pedojoe taxed them too much and they fled back overseas).


  17. by oldedude on July 28, 2023 7:30 pm
    Of course, you won't accept either one of them because it deals with the core issues of gang participation. Therefore they have "nothing" to do with black on black crime. Or something equally as stoopid.


  18. by Indy! on July 29, 2023 12:36 am

    Good lord. I blame myself. I should have known an army grunt doesn’t have the mental acuity necessary to understand graphs. 🙄


  19. by Indy! on July 29, 2023 12:45 am

    A simplified version for the hard of learning - the charts and the link. I’m assuming you CAN read, ODim.

    visualcapitalist.com


  20. by oldedude on July 29, 2023 5:04 am
    And again, you can't read. This is what happens with parents like "that"...

    First, You're talking about overall crime. Different than what Po and I are talking about.

    Second, your "stats" stop six years ago.

    HEERRS YOUR SIGN!!!!!!


  21. by Indy! on July 29, 2023 11:24 am

    Do you understand what a trend is, OD? If you need up to the minute stats - go look them up for yourself. The point is there - you just do not have the brain function to understand it.


  22. by oldedude on July 29, 2023 4:03 pm
    You stopped your trend five years ago. Almost six. That is definitely not worth looking at for a trend considering the changes around the globe.


  23. by Ponderer on July 30, 2023 7:33 am

    So... what I'm getting from this conversation you two are having is that Biden has been actually doing a fine job as president, and the right's got nothing of any consequence to respond to it with other than hyped up malarkey.



    Hey Bill, I'm going to have some of these bumper stickers made up. Want me to send you some?


    IF THE DEMS HAVEN'T FIXED EVERYTHING YET
    LET US CONTINUE BREAKING IT!
    * * * * VOTE REPUBLICAN IN '24 * * * *


  24. by HatetheSwamp on July 30, 2023 7:41 am

    Send me one for both bumpers. Baha.


  25. by oldedude on July 30, 2023 12:02 pm
    So... what I'm getting from this conversation you two are having is that Biden has been actually doing a fine job as president, and the right's got nothing of any consequence to respond to it with other than hyped up malarkey.

    Not at all, I'm trying to get you answered, which he's deflecting on. Read posts #2& 4.

    I'm just getting him to track what's happening. Once he gets something in his "mind," he doesn't have the capacity to change lanes.


  26. by Donna on July 30, 2023 5:32 pm

    So right. I pretty much nailed it. Thanks. I know.


  27. by oldedude on July 30, 2023 9:06 pm
    No, that's bullshit. period.


  28. by oldedude on July 30, 2023 9:22 pm
    I disproved all of PEDOjoes lies, that you bent over for.
    The drop in "everything" when he got into office was phenomenal. The truth is that no one thought he could walk his daughter to the shower, much less run a country. Only one of those was shown true. In this case, I'm not saying he's a horrible person, but that he's a politician that lies (okay, that's a redundant statement).

    In his narrow view, maybe. And when the actual numbers are brought out, it's a different story. That's a thing with Stats. "Numbers" aren't finite. Which really bother spreadsheet folks (who are taught that numbers ARE finite).

    Take a look at the issue with the lockdowns. People lost jobs, people lost income. Both of those are part of lower to middle income. Those in "professional" jobs could keep working if they wanted. You, above all here, know that people busted their butts with hourly jobs IF they were doing the "right" thing. Restaurants were killed by the lockdown. Yes, people could order, but the tips were about 10% of what they were used to getting. That's the start of pedojoe's part of the economy.


  29. by Indy! on July 31, 2023 7:42 am

    Your pal Trump didn’t do anything for the economy either, OD. The only businesses that grew in his time were linen mftrs making white sheets and hospitals treating covid.


  30. by oldedude on July 31, 2023 8:38 am
    Also inner city Community College education (trade skills), and jobs. It's the dims that have always hated the little brown people. From the second continental congress to now.

    To preempt po. Here are some of those.

    Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black,

    Senators;
    Theodore G. Bilbo,
    Robert C. Byrd, John Brown Gordon,
    James Thomas Heflin
    Rufus C. Holman (R), the U.S. Senator for Oregon, was an active member of the Ku Klux Klan (KKK) in Oregon, serving as an officer in that organization.[19]

    Earle Mayfield

    Rice W. Means (R), the U.S. Senator for Colorado, was the directing head of the Ku Klux Klan in Colorado.[21]

    John Tyler Morgan

    Edmund Pettus

    William Bliss Pine (1877–1942) (R), the U.S. Senator for Oklahoma (March 4, 1925, to March 3, 1931), was a Klansman, according to historian Chalmers[25] and the Eufaula Indian Journal.[26][27]

    Non-Klan Senators who received support from the Klan
    Lawrence C. Phipps. The Klan helped elect Lawrence C. Phipps (1862–1958) (R), U.S. Senator for Colorado.[28]

    Frederick Steiwer
    In the 1926 Oregon election, the Ku Klux Klan, under the auspices of The Oregon Good Government League, helped Frederick Steiwer (1883–1939) win the Republican primary by spreading word that it was supporting the reelection of his opponent, Senator Robert N. Stanfield (1877–1945) (R). The effort was fueled by White Supremacist (anti-immigrant, anti-Catholic) groups in Oregon in support of the state's Compulsory Education Act, enacted in 1922, mandating public education; which would have taken effect in 1926; but the Supreme Court, in 1925, struck it down in Pierce v. Society of Sisters.[31][32]

    Arthur Raymond Robinson
    Arthur Raymond Robinson (1881–1961) (R), of Indiana, was, on November 2, 1925, characterized by Time magazine was follows: "The New Man. Arthur R. Robinson is only 44. He is an Indianapolis attorney, a 'good Republican' but of no particular political importance. He is said to be a good orator. Against him politically is the fact that he supported Governor Jackson in the last election and so, justly or unjustly, he is considered a 'Klan man.'"[33]

    Frank Willis
    According to historian Chalmers, "the Klan supported Frank B. Willis (1871–1928) (R) [of Ohio] not because it liked him, but because it disliked his anti-Klan opponent, Atlee Pomerene (1863–1937) (D), more.[34]

    Members of the House of Representatives

    Clifford Davis (D), U.S. Representative for Tennessee's 9th and 10th congressional districts was an active member in Tennessee.

    George Gordon (D), U.S. Representative for Tennessee's 10th congressional district, became one of the Klan's first members. In 1867, Gordon became the Klan's first Grand Dragon for the Realm of Tennessee, and wrote its Precscript, a constitution setting out the organization's purpose, principles, and the like.[35][36][37][38]

    William David Upshaw

    Governors
    Homer Martin Adkins- Arkansas
    Bibb Graves- Alabama
    Tom Terral- Arkansas
    Clifford Walker- Georgia


  31. by Indy! on July 31, 2023 9:43 am

    Ds... Rs... same thing.


  32. by oldedude on July 31, 2023 10:11 am
    Remember, the dims stronghold was the south. All through the civil war. All through the 1960's, when they turned dogs loose on blacks, and held up peaceful protests with firehoses. That was the dim part at it's height.


  33. by Ponderer on July 31, 2023 10:23 am

    Always living in some previous century or other, aren't you olde dude. I always love how you've got to go back many decades to find examples of irrelevant, non sequitur stuff to go after the Dems with. It's hysterical as heck.


  34. by Donna on July 31, 2023 10:23 am

    All those racist Dixiecrats who were still alive when the Dems implemented civil rights legislation in the 1960s became Republicans. That's the oart Republicans like od purposely don't mention. I'm surprised that you allowed od to fool you, Indy.




  35. by oldedude on July 31, 2023 8:04 pm
    As well as you, et.al., don't mention things you don't like. You think I'm a horrible person for this? Welcome to politics. And this ain't the beginnings, babe.

    That was said in the best "southern, Dixiecrat, language I can muster. As is your NYC "flada." which is like saying 'frisco" in san francisco.


  36. by Indy! on July 31, 2023 9:53 pm

    Right Pondy. But he cries like a baby when I post a graph that's still 100% relevant but a couple years old.

    GOP = snowflakes


  37. by oldedude on August 1, 2023 6:03 am
    Po (et al)- The reason the little snowflake didn't want you to know about any of the stats after 2019 is simple. He was lying by omission. Between 2018 and 2020, HOMICIDES INCREASED BY 30% nationwide.

    The rate per 1,000 people:
    2019- 5.06
    2020- 6.55 (+1.49)
    2021- 6.79 (+0.25)
    2022- 6.46 (-0.33)
    From 2019- 2022, homicides went up 1.73/1,000 people.
    Total homicides he left out of his equation from 2019 to 2022 was an increase of 1.4/1,000 people.


    Intentional homicides are estimates of unlawful homicides purposely inflicted as a result of domestic disputes, interpersonal violence, violent conflicts over land resources, intergang violence over turf or control, and predatory violence and killing by armed groups. Intentional homicide does not include all intentional killing; the difference is usually in the organization of the killing. Individuals or small groups usually commit homicide, whereas killing in armed conflict is usually committed by fairly cohesive groups of up to several hundred members and is thus usually excluded.

    U.S. crime rate & statistics for 2020 was 6.52, a 28.64% increase from 2019.
    U.S. crime rate & statistics for 2019 was 5.07, a 1.19% increase from 2018.
    U.S. crime rate & statistics for 2018 was 5.01, a 5.9% decline from 2017.
    U.S. crime rate & statistics for 2017 was 5.32, a 1.32% decline from 2016.


    After the FBI stats came out compared to to CDC, PEW adjusted the numbers to
    to 30% from 2019-2020. So in your "summer of love event" there wasn't much love going around.

    The year-over-year increase in the U.S. murder rate in 2020 was the largest since at least 1905 – and possibly ever, according to provisional data from the CDC. (Final data is not expected to differ much from the provisional data.) There were 7.8 homicides for every 100,000 people in the United States in 2020, up from six homicides per 100,000 people the year before. The rise in the nation’s murder rate last year far exceeded the 20% increase measured in 2001, which was driven by the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11.

    A chart showing that the U.S. murder rate rose by nearly a third in 2020, marking one of the biggest annual increases on record. Last year’s increase in the murder rate may have even exceeded the one measured in 1905, according to Dr. Robert Anderson, who oversees mortality statistics for the CDC’s National Center for Health Statistics. Anderson noted earlier this month that the 1905 increase was at least partly due to more states submitting data to the national death registry, as opposed to an actual rise in murders.

    macrotrends.net
    pewresearch.org


  38. by Donna on August 1, 2023 7:24 am

    I don't think you're a horrible person, od, just dishonest. And no, I don't do what you did there.


  39. by oldedude on August 1, 2023 7:28 am
    Donna, I don't get it. The last post was for Indy. Rest assured, you had nothing to do with the dishonesty thing. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

    Right Pondy. But he cries like a baby when I post a graph that's still 100% relevant but a couple years old.

    The answer is; HE lied by omission by stopping the chart at 2019.


  40. by Donna on August 1, 2023 7:37 am

    od - The info you just posted on crime, though, is good. You can be a good poster when you're not posting political arguments.



  41. by Indy! on August 1, 2023 11:08 am

    LOL! Good lord, OD you're such a rube. First off, I didn't "lie by ommission" about anything. The first set of graphs were just some I had laying around on my computer that I've used in the past. They tell the story so I use them. When you cried like a baby about them not being recent enough - I simply googled newer charts and used them. I didn't see any that went up to 2022 like yours, which - btw - is A YEAR AND HALF AGO - SO YOUR CHARTS AREN'T VALID!!! THEY'RE NOT UP TO DATE!!!!!

    That was my OD impression. 🙂

    Now - to simplify things for the board crybaby here's my original quote which started this whole thing...

    "The only person more out of touch is OD. Crime - in general - theft, murder, etc... is WAY down overall in the last 30 years - UNBELIEVABLY low.

    So let's use Old Drama queen's numbers...

    Homicide rate:

    2022: 6.46

    What was it 30 years ago?

    1992: 9.25

    Do the math...

    9.25 - 6.46 = 2.79

    2.79 / 9.25 = .30

    IOW (for the hard of learning)...

    THE HOMICIDE RATE IS DOWN 30% IN THE LAST 30 YEARS

    Just like Indy said.



    macrotrends.net


  42. by Indy! on August 1, 2023 11:11 am

    The lesson here, OD - all kidding aside - is Fox and all the other media outlets are pushing the "CRIME IS UP!!!!! UP I TELL YOU!!!!!! angle because it BRINGS IN VIEWERS. It's a ratings grab by a failing tv industry and a way to justify the failing police state.


  43. by Donna on August 1, 2023 12:27 pm

    Donna, I don't get it. The last post was for Indy. Rest assured, you had nothing to do with the dishonesty thing. Sorry for the misunderstanding. - od

    Right, but post (#35) was for me.

    Not "Flada" - I'm not from New York. I'm from Baltimore where they say "Flarda".



  44. by oldedude on August 1, 2023 12:30 pm
    A chart showing that the U.S. murder rate rose by nearly a third in 2020, marking one of the biggest annual increases on record.


  45. by Indy! on August 1, 2023 3:46 pm

    First off, OD - again, if you had any integrity you would have acknowledged I just proved my point without any doubt whatsoever and that what you called a “lie” is in fact the absolute verifiable truth.

    Secondly, like all GOPers you don't know how the media (and the gov't) - especially Fox - uses numbers to manipulate you. If there were ONE murder out of million and the next year there were TWO - the "murder rate" would have increased 100% in one year!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG! Never before in history has the MURDER RATE increased 100% in one year!!!!! But the reality is - there were only TWO murders out of a MILLION - no reason to get excited. So instead of getting all bent out of shape over a meager increase of LESS THAN 1.5 MURDERS PER 1,000 PEOPLE... The real issue here is why is the media reporting it this way instead of telling you the rate is DOWN 30% over the last 30 years? Or that the murder rated DROPPED 20 out of the last 30 years? Or that even with your 30% INCREASE IN ONE YEAR(!!!!!) - actually 28%, btw - we’re still only a smidgeon higher than the LOWEST RATE IN U.S. HISTORY?


  46. by oldedude on August 1, 2023 3:55 pm
    You stopped your numbers just in the right time. That's all I said. If you DID have any integrity at all, You would have included it and could have explained it. I consider it willful deceit. You chose not to include it and you misrepresented what I said above. You're nothing but a little troll.


  47. by Indy! on August 1, 2023 4:15 pm

    You can consider it pb&j on toast if you want - it's obvious you are easily confused. The bottom line is the murder rate is still at one of the lowest points in US history even with the modest uptick that has you up in arms and doing this again...



  48. by oldedude on August 1, 2023 6:55 pm
    Unfortunately, that's not what po and I were talking about. Third time I've said that.


  49. by Indy! on August 1, 2023 9:18 pm

    No reason to get upset, OD. Not like this is the first, second or fifty thousandth time you've been wrong. 😌


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