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‘Non-human intelligence’: Schumer proposes stunning new UFO legislation
By Donna
July 20, 2023 1:52 pm
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For those who haven't been following this.

Statement by Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer:

"For decades, many Americans have been fascinated by objects mysterious and unexplained and it's long past time they get some answers... The American public has a right to learn about technologies of unknown origins, non-human intelligence, and unexplainable phenomena. We are not only working to declassify what the government has previously learned about these phenomena but to create a pipeline for future research to be made public. I am honored to carry on the legacy on my mentor and dear friend, Harry Reid and fight for the transparency that the public has long demanded surround these unexplained phenomena."

Btw, the amendments Schumer and other lawmakers want to add to the 2024 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) are 62 pages long and mention "non-human intelligence" 23 times.

Also, the U.S. House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence will be holding a public hearing next Wednesday, July 26, featuring three whistleblowers from the US Navy and US Intelligence: former member of the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency David Grusch as well as former U.S. Navy pilots David Fravor and Ryan Graves. Some sources are reporting that a fourth whistleblower will also be testifying. I assume that one of the CSPAN channels will be airing it.

To bring you up to speed on what's been going on the last few months in Congress vis-a-vis UAP, I've included a very recent interview with Sean Cahill (2nd link), a retired U.S. Navy Chief Petty officer who was witness to a portion of events surrounding the USS Nimitz Tic-Tac incident of November 2004. Sheri and I just finished watching the entire interview. Mr. Cahill also talks at length about his experiences with the phenomenon and his general take on it, which coincide with my ideas on the phenomenon.

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  1. by Indy! on July 20, 2023 4:30 pm

    I read the Hill article - seems like more of the same... lotta smoke, nothing tangible. This kind of thing happens every few years - somebody in gov't gets hot for UFO info - then the military (which really controls everything) finds a way to sweep it back under the rug again for another 5-10 years or they create the next big engineered "scandal", "war" or "pandemic" to distract people's attention.

    Not watching a 90 minute youtube video - but thanks for the links anyway.

  2. by Donna on July 21, 2023 6:58 am

    Thanks for responding, Indy. I've been as cynical as can be about UAP disclosure, but what's happening now is unprecedented. When in the past have whistleblower protections been written into the NDAA for people involved in secret UAP-related programs?

    What's been going on for the past 2 years is that whistleblowers from US military and intelligence have been coming forward to the Congressional intelligence committees talking about their involvement in reverse-engineeing programs and their encounters with UAP. Intelligence committee members have also been shown UAP evidence that hasn't been disclosed to the general public that has reportedly blown them away. That's why we now have Senate Majority Leader Schumer and others in Congress demanding answers from the DoD.

    The Intelligence Committee Inspector General has deemed Grusch's revelations "credible and urgent". Six additional whistleblowers have reportedly corroborated David Grusch's testimony about secret UAP crash retrieval and reverse-engineering programs. The process to unveil all of this is just getting started.

    The reason most Americans have no clue that any of this is going on is because the mainstream media is barely reporting on it.

    I watched an hour-long interview with Grusch last month. t looks to me like David Grusch and others have exposed a huge scandal. He's even on record alleging that threats have been made to whistleblowers and that people have been murdered as part of the cover-up.

  3. by Ponderer on July 21, 2023 7:45 am

    "This kind of thing happens every few years -" -Indy!

    Yeah, no. Not like this. Nothing like this. This is way different than anything that's ever happened before. Even those who have studied this issue for decades are blown away by how different this is going to be. Some thought they'd never live to see the day that anything like this would take place.

    The U.S. House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence public hearing next Wednesday has got everyone who's following and studying UAP on pins and needles waiting for it. Donna and I have probably already heard most of what Grusch and the Navy pilots are going to testify to, but these testimonies will be given under oath publicly to Congress under whistleblower protection. Nothing like this has never been presented like this, with politicians in government demanding the truth and actually giving this subject the attention it deserves.

    This isn't going to be anything like "full disclosure". But this is going to truly be the very beginning of the whole truth coming out about how our government, and cryptic forces thereof, have hidden and lied to the American people about this subject for many decades now.

  4. by Indy! on July 21, 2023 7:46 am

    The military released a couple of videos last year that showed some possible craft. People like us know all the other stuff - it just hasn’t been made “official” yet. I suspect if any of this actually happens - and I’m not getting my hopes up - it’s merely to use it as another excuse to explode the military budget. There was already one general who said we need to double the budget. Chuck Schumer is a weakling too - they’ll just put the squeeze on him if they don’t want this exposed. So -for me - it’s just more of the same smoke until something real happens.

  5. by Ponderer on July 21, 2023 8:27 am


  6. by HatetheSwamp on July 21, 2023 8:40 am


    That's a woke, holier-than-thou, sanctimonious sigh.

  7. by Ponderer on July 21, 2023 8:53 am

    No. That's a You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink sorta sigh.

  8. by HatetheSwamp on July 21, 2023 9:38 am


    I think I represent all of us in noting that we all wish we were as superior as are you.

  9. by Indy! on July 21, 2023 10:33 am

    I'm assuming that's Donna - not Pondy. Donna, you've been "leading us to this water" for years. What's happened so far? More of the same. I had the same enthusiasm for this back in the late 70s/early 80s that you have now. I appreciate the updates, but based on everything I know - there is nothing really new here. Some military guy is going to spill the beans (again) behind closed doors (again) - how many times have YOU heard that? I've heard it at least 20 times in my life. Some high ranking government official is hell bent on getting to the bottom of this - again - how many times have you heard that? Jimmy Carter was interested in UFOs and was going to look into it. Reagan said "If only people knew how real that is" after watching E.T. the Extraterrestrial.. Hillary's guy, John Podesta - chased it for years. See article below...


  10. by islander on July 21, 2023 11:20 am

    Hate wrote: "po,I think I represent all of us in noting that we all wish we were as superior as are you."

    What makes you think something that ?


You don’t represent me. I fully acknowledge that I have a higher opinion of Ponderer and Donna than I do of you and that is because, after having read their posts and yours for a number of years, to put it plainly and simply, I find them to be far more honest and straight forward than you. Even when one or the other might have have a different opinion than me they can justify their opinions far better than you can.

    They never have to fall back on your “subjectivity is truth” shtick which, when you resort to it, extinguishes any chance for engaging in any kind of rational and reasonable dialogue with you. I suspect you know all that but I don’t believe you’re here to engage in rational or reasonable dialogue since that’s definitely not your forte.

  11. by HatetheSwamp on July 21, 2023 11:53 am

    All of us bring our preferences and prejudices to every moment of our lives.

  12. by Ponderer on July 21, 2023 1:32 pm

    "I'm assuming that's Donna - not Pondy. Donna, you've been "leading us to this water" for years. What's happened so far? More of the same." -Indy!

    No, it was me, not Donna.

    Indy!, how could you be expected to think anything has happened when you haven't followed it at all? I certainly don't expect you to. Donna and I realize that you are in no position to have any idea at all what has happened in the last few years, since the media doesn't report any of it. And if they don't report it, it didn't happen in your book. We get that. We understand how absolutely tied to the main stream media you are for any valid information about this subject is allowed to come from. But unfortunately, none of them will give you any of the information that Donna has amassed over the years.

    Let's just see how the U.S. House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence hearing goes on Wednesday. That is likely to get a tad bit of coverage by the media giants who you need. CSpan will probably carry it too. Does CSpan count...?

  13. by Ponderer on July 21, 2023 1:37 pm

    And hey thanks there, Isle!

  14. by islander on July 21, 2023 2:51 pm

    You're Welcome Pondy! Just being honest and straightforward !! 🍻

  15. by HatetheSwamp on July 21, 2023 2:55 pm

    In a bringing your preferences and prejudices to every moment sort of way, baha!

  16. by Donna on July 21, 2023 4:01 pm

    I have no personal stake in what others think about anything. But I have immersed myself in this subject for the past 12 years and I do know the subject very well.

    The House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, the Senate Sekect Committee on Intelligence, and the Armed Services Committees (both hours of Congress) are very interested in what David Grusch and those who've corroborated his testimony (some of whom are working or who have worked in these legacy reverse-engineering programs) have disclosed under oath. In fact they're quite alarmed at what they've disclosed.

  17. by Indy! on July 22, 2023 2:02 am

    Okay, fine - I don’t know what Ikm talking about. But I appreciate your updates on what’s “going to happen”. When it does - you’ll tell us, I’m sure. You’ll excuse me if I don’t hold my breath, okay? 🙂

  18. by Indy! on July 22, 2023 2:04 am

    Oh forgot - the “maim stream media” was a valiant effort, Pondy. 😂

  19. by Ponderer on July 22, 2023 1:51 pm

    Indy!, what do you think of News Nation?

  20. by Indy! on July 22, 2023 4:11 pm

    Saw that video going around twitter. So far as News Nation? I know nothing about them. Not positive - but that might be the only video I've seen from them. But that's not what you really want to know - you want to know what I think of the "whistleblower". Soooo...

    I'm not going to watch it again, but my original take was there is something very off about this guy and his story. As the interviewer states "We're talking about the biggest secret in human history" (Indy rates this assessment: TRUE). So why does this guy come off like he's discussing what he had for dinner yesterday? Completely laid back, no emotion, no FEAR of possible retribution... like he's chatting about the extra crispy fries that came with his burger. Or repeating his story from rote memory like an actor who learned his movie lines. Just didn't read right for me. But okay - maybe I'm wrong - fair enough. So let's go to the...

    Facts... where are the facts? This is always the rub. Everybody has a story - often a very entertaining one. Here we have the same kind of thing I described in the post you took offense to... an unknown military official claiming he knows something, repeats a lot of stuff we've heard before about "hidden programs" and "mystery bases with UFOs", etc... as the lady MC regurgitates Roswell and Area 51 in the background for the eighty-billionth time. But “whistleblower” guy has no tangible evidence to prove his story like a piece of unearthly metal from one of the UFOs he allegedly saw or a sample of alien flesh from the bodies we’re hiding. The UFO videos they show are things we had seen previous to this guy's interview. Color me - sorry - not impressed. And contrary to what Dateline-ish woman says - this is NOT "the first time ever" that we've heard this stuff. We’ve heard it a million times. The big news appears to be he's testifying before Congress. Okay… Dee Snider has also testified before Congress.

    So - what do I think? Maybe the guy knows something - maybe he doesn't. But for me it reads as military disinformation. What better way to convince the rubes we need a "Space Force" and more MIC cash for "protection" than to send out some guy who pretends to leak news about possibly dangerous UFOs cluttering up our skies? Dude certainly didn't seem concerned about releasing top level national secrets or that he might end up like Edward Snowden, Julian Assange or Chelsea Manning - people we KNOW released information the gov't did NOT want out here. No dark shadows covering his face or voice boxes changing the way he sounds - just good old Dave, exposing America's top secrets on camera for a national audience... no worries. 😃👍

    Now - all that said, I’m not saying he’s not telling the truth. And I’m not claiming UFOs don’t exist, or that we haven’t ever been visited by beings from other planets. I’m a firm believer they do, we have been and still are. That doesn’t mean this guy is the person breaking the news because he’s “a patriot” who thinks Americans need to know. In the end... what NEW, TANGIBLE, VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE did he release to the public? Nothing.

  21. by Donna on July 22, 2023 6:34 pm

    David Grusch is thought of very highly by his peers in the military and intelligence. That interview was aired about a month ago. Since then, no one has discredited what he's disclosed nor him personally. I heard one comment that Grusch is "above reproasch". The sense I'm getting is that he walks on water. Not literally... as far as we know.

    Indy, what you might be picking up on in Dave Grusch's demeanor is that he's reportly on the autism spectrum - specifically what used to be called Asperger's Syndrome. My son has Asperger's. Elon Musk also has Asperger's. They're often very intelligent and accomplished. My son is intelligent.

    If Grusch's testimony was a one-off, I might be skeptical. But the thing that really sells this for me is that there have been reportedly as many as six additional whistleblowers -- some who've worked for or are currently working for alleged secret legacy programs involved in reverse-engineering recovered craft that was manufactured and controlled by non human intelligence(s) -- who've corroborated his testimony, also under oath.

    Sen. Gillibrand has voiced frustration getting cooperation from the DoD. They've been stonewalling the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence since the establishment of AARO. The DoD (and diaspora) will throw everything they've got at killing this attempt at an investigation, no doubt.

    I'm familiar with three of the speakers and their recollections of their encounters with UAP. I heard there might be a 4th speaker.

    I work p/t and make my own schedule, so I'll be watching on Wednesday. Don't know the time or channel. Hopefully CSPAN'll carry it.

  22. by Indy! on July 22, 2023 7:22 pm

    The problem, Donna - and what has always been - is plausible deniability. Until one of these people bring back some otherworldy tech, or substance from Planet Voltron or an alien body - the military will simply stall it, deny it or just ignore it. That is - of course - if they actually WANT us to believe there are aliens out there. Which brings up the other obvious problem ufologists never consider... Suppose all the nebulous videos and murky photos that have been presented as "evidence" were actually created BY the military industrial complex specifically for that purpose.

    Business is business, don't call me a crook
    It's perfectly legal, I go by the book


  23. by Indy! on July 22, 2023 7:24 pm

    Sorry - that should read...

    If they DON'T want us to believe aliens are out there.

    I have to read my posts more carefully before posting.

  24. by Donna on July 23, 2023 10:04 am

    The DoD's plausible deniability on UAP started back in the 1950s. In Philip Corso's book, The Day After Roswell, which was published in the 1990's a couple of years before his death, he writes about his experiences working for the DoD under Eisenhower where he was put in charge of disbursing artifacts recovered from UAP crash sites to private aerospace and technologically companies.

    So if the DoD were to say that our government doesn't have non-human engineered craft in its posssession, that would probably be a truthful statement.

  25. by Indy! on July 23, 2023 11:43 am

    Yes, and alien bodies would probably go to biotech companies or something. However, there is still the elephant in the room - where is the evidence? Roswell was 1947 - so even if we use that as the starting point - there's 75 years of hiding stuff. Nobody has bothered to sneak something out of one of these companies or government facilities? It's easy to write a book or make a podcast claiming to know something. It's another thing to prove it.

  26. by Donna on July 23, 2023 2:49 pm

    It doesn't at all surprise me that no one that we know of has snuck out of one of these facilities with hard evidence, as it's been such a closely guarded secret. Grusch himself says he's been threatened for coming forward, and he's also alleging that people have been murdered as part of the cover-up.

  27. by Indy! on July 23, 2023 4:20 pm

    Edward Snowden and Chelsea Manning snuck information out of places like the NSA. Manning was what? 21 yrs old at the time? Donna, sooner or later you have to be real about it. That's what tells me you couldn't have been looking into it as long as I did (years ago - granted). Eventually you get tired of hearing the same stories, the same "this is different" excuses and the same end result.

    Now again - is something going on? Yes, I have no doubt. But I am just as sure the odds of ever getting anything from the government thru anyway OTHER than surreptitious means is simply not going to happen. So Congressional hearings? Another nothing burger that will lead to nothing except maybe a "strongly worded letter" from Chuck Schumer. Somebody has to get hold of something absolutely undeniable and bring it to the public.

    That is unless of course... the military is finally ready to let us see something so they can get endless Space Force funding. That's the real conspiracy now, imho - create an even bigger money hole than the MIC. There will be no way to calculate how much money is needed to protect us from an alien attack.

  28. by Donna on July 23, 2023 4:46 pm

    Snowden and Manning downloaded a bunch of documents. That may have happened in the case involving reverse-engineering of non-human engineered craft too. I think that's a possibility because reportedly Grusch and others have supplied the intelligence committees with the program names, locations, and the names of the project heads.

  29. by Donna on July 24, 2023 2:44 pm

    Btw, the UAP hearing will take place this Wednesday at 10:00 AM EDT. I'm hoping that one of the CSPAN stations will carry it.

  30. by Indy! on July 24, 2023 3:27 pm

    Well Donna - for your sake - good luck. I'm not getting my hopes up. Remember these are the same people who got outsmarted by a game show host. I expect more hurry up and wait.

  31. by Donna on July 25, 2023 7:28 am

    A lot of people seem to have a misconception about tomorrow's event (7AM EDT). It's a public hearing - David Grusch (UAPTF), David Fravor and Ryan Graves (former USN pilots), and possibly a fourth speaker. No answers are going to come out of this. That's not the purpose of any public hearing.

  32. by Ponderer on July 25, 2023 7:33 am

    "That's what tells me you couldn't have been looking into it as long as I did (years ago - granted)." -Indy!

    A sentence like that is what tells me that you are a flaming, egotistical asshole.

    You haven't got the slightest idea of how much time and effort Donna has put into this topic over the last couple decades. You and your reflexive, holier-than-thou, narcissistic, egotistical bullshit can join Hate in going and fuckingyourselves.


  33. by Donna on July 25, 2023 7:50 am

    My bad. Tomorrow's UAP hearing will be at 10AM EDT (not 7AM).

  34. by Indy! on July 25, 2023 4:42 pm


    "That's what tells me you couldn't have been looking into it as long as I did (years ago - granted)." -Indy!

    A sentence like that is what tells me that you are a flaming, egotistical asshole.

    You haven't got the slightest idea of how much time and effort Donna has put into this topic over the last couple decades. You and your reflexive, holier-than-thou, narcissistic, egotistical bullshit can join Hate in going and fuckingyourselves.

    So I'm "egostical" about what? Wasting more of my time on the UFO thing than Donna has?

    I'm "reflexive, holier-than-thou, narcissistic and egotistical" for dropping a hint that maybe Donna should not waste her time the way I wasted mine? Or because maybe I know a little bit more (or less) about some stupid subject matter 99.5% of the word couldn't give a shit about? Well, Pondy all I can say is you seem to have gotten far more sensitive in the time I was away. Menopause maybe? 🤔

  35. by Indy! on July 25, 2023 4:45 pm


    Note: My ego and narcissistic need to always be right made me correct that. 😘

  36. by Donna on July 25, 2023 10:10 pm

    UPDATE: The livestream of the UAP hearing 7AM EDT Wednesday morning will be at the link below. Not sure if a CSPAN channel will be airing it.

  37. by Donna on July 25, 2023 10:18 pm

    View Video

  38. by Donna on July 25, 2023 10:32 pm

    Right video link, wrong time.

    I meant 10 EDT Wednesday morning (today when you read this).

    I'm very familiar with what they'll be speaking about. Mind-blowing stuff.

  39. by Ponderer on July 26, 2023 9:34 am

    Wow. Much better than I thought! If you didn't watch it, you should watch a recording of it. It went for almost 2 1/2 hours.

    One of the questioners was Junior House member Robert Garcia, the mayor of Long Beach when Sheri and I lived there. A truly bipartisan panel.

  40. by Donna on July 26, 2023 9:35 am

    Mine ^

  41. by Indy! on July 26, 2023 2:17 pm

    Watched a few minutes of it - not going to dive in for 2 hours. Dude told his story - very similar to all the other stuff we see... advanced tech, ran circles around us, disappeared. No reports, no evidence, weren't allowed to talk about it... etc... When they start questioning him they go right to the "should we be worried about them" and of course they're all mitlitary so they're all worried. Basically exactly what I predicted (if that comes off as "flaming ego" to Pondy - you know the rules... Indy never apologizes for being better informed)... anyway, back on point. The reason I bring this up is not to boast but to point out that whenever they ask about this - the answer is always about how advanced these craft are and how we should be worried - the implication being it's time to spend more money on defense. What they never bring up is the obvious. If they're already here - as this guy is testifying, trying to make the skeptical pay attention - then obviously if they were a threat they would have already have done something. Right? Why would they wait around until we can match their tech if their reason for being here was to cause us harm? So logically, what we SHOULD be doing is not building more weapons - but trying to contact them and make nice.

    Anyway - just my two cents. Now my question for Donna... did they have any EVIDENCE that was interesting? Videos, radar readings, UFO parts they found laying around? Or was it all a bunch of testifying that "I saw something"? If there is something, whereabouts would I find it in the two hour video?


  42. by Donna on July 26, 2023 4:05 pm

    It was an official hearing, Indy!. It wasn't an investigation.

    By the way, we also predicted exactly what happened. What a coincidence! And us mere mortals no less! With far less experience and knowledge in the subject than you have garnered in your estimable career!

    We never even expected to hear anything in this hearing that we hadn't already heard or known about already several times over. But we watched with a rapt awareness of this tremendous achievement as all those things that we have heard about before were put into the congressional record by absolutely unapproachable witnesses.

    The whole thing about this event is that it was an official, under oath public congressional hearing the likes of which has never been seen before. So on that level, this was actually rather historic. And many of the congress members in attendance had really great questions and were extremely interested in and alarmed with the events that the witnesses spoke about. And these congress members are far from done with it now. We look forward to future reports on what they can divulge about what they find after this.

    Whether you care, in your superior mental capabilities and experiential superiority above all others, to deem it so or not, this was the very beginning of the beginning of a new era in the way this subject is handled. By the government, by the military, by the media, and by the scientific community.

    And of course, the progress we expect to come out of this from this point forward will be in no way fast enough or clear enough or obvious enough or undeniable enough or evidentiary enough or blatant enough or anything enough for you, Indy!. So don't you worry... There will be plenty more that will come to light in the near future for you to find woefully pathetic by your standards.

    Tell me, when you are wondering about reading a novel or not, do you go right to the end and read how the story ends first before you decide if you want to give the book a read or not? Because you won't read a book unless it's going to end the way you want it to?

    Because your apparent need for all the answers upfront before you'll give any information and testimonies or military or intelligence expert reports on this subject the time of day kinda makes me think that you are.

  43. by Ponderer on July 26, 2023 4:08 pm

    ^ ^ ^ ^ Me of course ^ ^ ^ ^

  44. by Donna on July 26, 2023 4:18 pm

    Sheri wrote that. Forgot to sign me out.

    But as she said, it was a hearing, not an investigation. Logic should have told you that no classified evidence would ever be presented in a public forum setting. In numerous instances during the hearing, Grusch told the panel that he'd be glad to answer the question in more detail in a closed door setting and recommended meeting in a SCIF for some answers.

  45. by Indy! on July 26, 2023 6:31 pm

    Okay - just wondering. And no, when I read a novel (or watch a movie) I don't jump right to the end because the ending is ALWAYS DIFFERENT in a novel (or a movie). 😘

  46. by Indy! on July 26, 2023 6:36 pm

    BTW, Donna - not that I'm trying to pull a brain flex on you or anything but...

    "...were put into the congressional record by absolutely unapproachable witnesses."

    I think the word you might have been looking for was "unreproachable" (or irreproachable) - not unapproachable..


  47. by Donna on July 26, 2023 7:11 pm

    Sheri told me about that mistake right after she posted it.

  48. by Indy! on July 26, 2023 8:09 pm

    This board needs an edit function.

  49. by Ponderer on July 27, 2023 6:29 am

    The word I intended to type was irreproachable...

  50. by Donna on July 27, 2023 7:25 am

    I like not having an edit function on responses to opening posts. That way no one can go back and change or delete sonething they said that another poster called them out on.

  51. by Indy! on July 27, 2023 1:54 pm

    Most boards with the edit function also put a note on the post if it was edited. The Raider board I post on only gives you a certain amount of time to edit. Basically you have time to re-read your post to check for errors and edit them (which is also noted on the post).

  52. by Donna on July 27, 2023 4:13 pm

    Facebook does that.

  53. by Donna on July 27, 2023 4:43 pm

    Btw, the entire purpose of Hunter Biden Mania is fundraising.

  54. by Donna on July 27, 2023 4:43 pm

    Oops! Wrong topic thread.

  55. by Ponderer on July 27, 2023 6:03 pm

    Short video (3:53). Interesting footage of a UFO taken by a pilot in Puerto Rico. At one point it goes underneath the water, doesn't appear to slow down, and emerges with another identical looking object traveling at the same velocity. At no point does the original object appear to slow down, even when it's submerged.

    View Video

  56. by Donna on July 27, 2023 6:04 pm

    Mine ^

  57. by Indy! on July 27, 2023 9:10 pm

    So that's what happened to Les Nessman. 🙃

    I didn't watch the full intro - just skipped up to the UFO video (at 2:40 for anyone else interested). Looks interesting, not really sure what it could be. He claims the object split in two - not that it was joined by another object. FIlm is so grainy there's no way to make a judgement call on it in my book. But as the Big Book of Conspiracies tells us - "all the best UFOs pictures are blurry".

  58. by Donna on July 28, 2023 9:36 am

    I agree that saying it "split in two" is conjecture. As you said, maybe it was joined by another object. Either way, it's very odd. But you can tell that they were roundish or squarish and were clocked at a little over 100 mph.

    The video is grainly because it was taken by an infra-red camera.

    When Sheri and I had our sighting back in 2015, it lasted about 8 seconds. Neither of us had our cell phones with us, but even if we did, I wouldn't have even thought of taking a video. If I had my phone with me and decided to take a video, I would have missed the rest of the incident while getting my phone camera ready. Even if I had had my phone camera ready in time, the video would have been crappy because it was nighttime and the two objects were each only about 40% of the diameter of a full Moon, which would have looked like specs in a video if they were visible at all because cheap cell phone cameras shrink objects that are far away.

  59. by Indy! on July 28, 2023 11:51 am

    I understand all that, but I we also have to consider that in todays world there are FAR more video cameras out there than ever before. It's just my personal opinion, but if this kind of thing were common (visitation) - then there would be far more videos being taken either accidentally or by people out there looking for them.

    So far as whatever this thing is - there's absolutely no reason to believe it came from anywhere other than here without any further information. I'm not the kind of person who takes it for granted that we are the most advanced nation on earth when it comes to technology or military capability. We're being outpaced by Asian countries in virtually everything else tech-wise - so why would we assume they don't have something like this in their arsenal? A drone of some type that is doing some kind of science research or just plain spying on us?

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