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The Cornel West Peace Plan for Ukraine: "_____________"
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Amy Goodman tried to get a coherent response from Cornel West on how he would end the war in Ukraine, as West said he wants. He goes on and on about the evils of imperialism but he never utters anything close to a plan for achieving peace. See link. Trying to pin West down on how he'd resolve the situation in Ukraine is like trying to get HtS to answer the same question.

There are what I consider preposterous predictions and opinion pieces that Cornel West is a threat to Joe Biden's election chances.

West is a Green Party candidate for president. The Greens have ballot access problems due to their poor showing in 2020. IMHO voters, including those on the political fringes, have cooled to third parties. Voters are a bit more sophisticated and realize that it's better to vote the major candidate who more closely aligns with their views, than the "better" third party candidate. If you really want to vote for somebody who shares all your views and electability doesn't matter, write your own name in.


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Comments on "The Cornel West Peace Plan for Ukraine: "_____________"":

  1. by Indy! on July 16, 2023 12:35 am

    So far as West, at least he is talking about ending the war in Ukraine and - more importantly - ending U.S. imperialism and war for profit like Ukraine.

    Biden? He’s going to lose even if there are ZERO third party candidates.


  2. by Indy! on July 16, 2023 1:09 am

    Okay, I watched some of the interview - the part about Ukraine and the following parts about how the two party system has failed. You totally mischaracterized the conversation. West gave a straight answer to the question right at the start. If he were president he would first pull back from this mindless escalation, then bring China and Russia to the table and work on a solution. How about that? Same thing I just said earlier today - the first step is to actually WANT a solution - not endless war for profit. BTW, you might want to back off that criticism considering Biden has never said how he’s going to end the war. Maybe he shouldn’t be running for president either? 😂

    Then he went on and fleshed out reasons why there is absolutely no reason to vote for the two parties anymore. That’s obviously why you went into your usual diatribe about how all the smart folks have figured out the lesser evil lie is still the only answer. 🙄 Again, he said exactly what I’ve been saying here - people (who are paying attention) now see thru that game and are not voting for it anymore.

    It’s also comical that you still claim West is the “Green Party candidate” when Amy Goodman clearly said right at the beginning he’s running as the People’s Party candidate and gave a little background on them.


  3. by HatetheSwamp on July 16, 2023 3:41 am

    Bang on, Indy!.

    West is to Biden in 023 pretty much what Eugene McCarthy was to LBJ in 68. Cept that West ain't doing his thing within the Dem party. But. West is making the case that Curt's guy, Clouseau, is a Second Coming of the guy who orchestrated the Vietnam disaster.

    I've been on SS longer than anyone currently participating...except Curt. When I started, I would never have imagined that Curt'd end up a warmonger and rubberstamper for the whims of the 21st century Military Industrial Complex. But, argue that Curt ain't.

    West is an interesting guy. He's a Christian, a professor at a Christian seminary. The "love your neighbor as yourself" idea is at the root of his Ukraine policy. West really wants to turn America into a Christian nation in the way radical liberal Christians do...as Donna advocates...then denies.

    Listening to West, pb hears some Kierkegaard in there. And, I checked him out on Wikipedia. Lo and behold, Wikipedia lists Kierkegaard as a influence.


  4. by Curt_Anderson on July 16, 2023 7:46 am
    Umm, Indy…
    Cornel West Wants to Run for President With Green Party, Ditches People’s Party. See link:

    Any peace plan has to decide if Russia is rewarded by allowing it to keep land it invaded or not. If not, will Russia agree to withdraw from Ukraine entirely and peacefully? If you think that can happen you live in lala land.
    thedailybeast.com


  5. by HatetheSwamp on July 16, 2023 8:36 am

    I think that "that feckless dementia-ridden piece of crap" needs to make internationally observable overtures to Ukraine and Russia offering a path to peace.

    Maybe, at the end of one of his longhaul truck runs and, after he prays to the man, God save the Queen," he could pick up the phone and make some calls? Whadaya think.


  6. by Curt_Anderson on July 16, 2023 9:09 am
    HtS,
    Is that your peace plan with “the end in mind”? Unless there is more to it that has not been shared, the Indy/West/HtS peace plan is to tell Ukraine to surrender to Russia.


  7. by HatetheSwamp on July 16, 2023 9:18 am

    SURRENDER TO RUSSIA!!!!!? Where'd pb get even remotely close to suggesting that!!!!!?

    pb thinks that the Doddering Old Fool should offer himself as a mediator...and become a man of peace.


  8. by Curt_Anderson on July 16, 2023 9:32 am
    Ok, what is your peace plan? You must think there is one; you say that Biden just needs to “make some calls”. Does Ukraine surrender land? Does Russia withdraw? How do you get those countries to acquiesce?


  9. by Indy! on July 16, 2023 9:33 am

    Indy would be fine with Ukraine surrendering to Ukraine. Ukraine is not a NATO nation, it's packed to the brim with JV league Nazis and the president is a cokehead self-promoting con artist. There's absolutely no reason for us to be sending the kind of cash we're sending to these people when that money would be far better spent in this country. West - however - never suggested anything of the sort.

    So far as West being a Green candidate - you post outdated information - you get outdated responses. Either party doesn't matter since even West knows he's not in it to win it. He's in it to change people's minds - not yours. Yours has been ossified for years - there's no reason to try and influence the brunch crowd... the 30% of Ds who are just mindless drones voting for the same "evil" every 4 years no matter what kind of corporate sock puppet the Ds nominate. He's working on the people who can still think for themselves and understand a nuanced argument against constant war and imperialism. That aint you, Curt.


  10. by Indy! on July 16, 2023 9:36 am

    *surrendering to Russia. Sorry. Fingers have minds of their own sometimes. 😃👍


  11. by Curt_Anderson on July 16, 2023 10:06 am
    HtS and Indy,
    Indy says he wants Ukraine to surrender to Russia. HTS disagrees. It seems you two need to negotiate with each other, THEN come up with your peace plan.


  12. by oldedude on July 16, 2023 10:12 am
    curt- I don't understand why. They're on opposite sides of the world on this. The statement doesn't make sense.


  13. by HatetheSwamp on July 16, 2023 10:21 am

    pb's peace-plan is for this country to stop giving Ukraine just enough weaponry to enable a slow, inevitable destruction. For the Doddering Old Fool to offer himself as a mediator and to use the might of the US to punish either side if it doesn't negotiate in good faith.

    In the end, that effort may succeed or fail. That's what pb'd do.


  14. by Curt_Anderson on July 16, 2023 10:46 am
    The Indy! "peace plan" is for Ukraine to surrender to Russia. (Indy is apparently on Team Putin and must get his opinions and information from Russian state media.)

    The HtS "peace plan" is for the US and NATO to send more weapons, more quickly to Ukraine. (Apparently, HtS is unaware that it was 70 House Republicans who voted against sending military aid to Ukraine this week--that's the Congress that Biden has to work with.)

    A peace plan is supposed to be something that both sides can agree to. Neither of their "peace plans" would find unilateral acceptance.

    It's easy to call for a peace plan between Ukraine and Russia. Coming up with a viable peace plan is a lot harder.


    businessinsider.com
    msnbc.com


  15. by Indy! on July 16, 2023 10:57 am

    I'm perfectly fine with whatever you want to believe, Curt - because I assume everyone on the board is at least smart enough to realize you don't speak for me. I don't know where you got the idea that pb and I were working on some sort of peace plan together - I guess with age you start to believe your own random thoughts are you reading other people's minds or something? But newsflash - we're not. I do agree with the basic outline of what he said - which dovetails more or less with West's ideas... Talk it out between the principals - nothing gets solved until people start talking and then use our influence to pressure both sides to come to some sort of agreement. By "pressure" I don't mean bomb the crap out of them - a military "solution" (if there even is such a thing 🙄) should be the LAST option since as we know from history it is generally the LEAST effective one. And any sort of "pressure" should not be unilaterally applied by the US - it should be a group effort between all the countries who think this is a conflict that needs to be won. Personally? I couldn't care less because I am not as susceptible to military propaganda like yourself and the other D drones who bought into this "Russian aggression" lie on day 1.


  16. by Donna on July 16, 2023 11:04 am

    IMO Curt is the only one on this conversation who's making sense. I have nothing to add to what he's already said.



  17. by Donna on July 16, 2023 11:26 am

    I won't support any invasion of another country. Sheri and I participated in numerous antiwar demonstrations against our own government when it did to Iraq what Russia is doing to Ukraine. Saddam Hussein would have been perfectly justified to accept help from Russia fending off the US just as Ukraine is justified accepting help from the NATO countries fending off Russia.



  18. by HatetheSwamp on July 16, 2023 11:42 am

    What am I missing? Who wants to invade anyone?


  19. by Indy! on July 16, 2023 9:24 pm

    Joe Biden. He's chomping at the bit to invade Russia and China because he left his brain behind somewhere back in the Cold War era. 🙄


  20. by Indy! on July 17, 2023 12:39 am

    Okay, I watched some of the interview - the part about Ukraine and the following parts about how the two party system has failed. You totally mischaracterized the conversation. West gave a straight answer to the question right at the start. If he were president he would first pull back from this mindless escalation, then bring China and Russia to the table and work on a solution. How about that? Same thing I just said earlier today - the first step is to actually WANT a solution - not endless war for profit. BTW, you might want to back off that criticism considering Biden has never said how he’s going to end the war. Maybe he shouldn’t be running for president either? 😂

    Then he went on and fleshed out reasons why there is absolutely no reason to vote for the two parties anymore. That’s obviously why you went into your usual diatribe about how all the smart folks have figured out the lesser evil lie is still the only answer. 🙄 Again, he said exactly what I’ve been saying here - people (who are paying attention) now see thru that game and are not voting for it anymore.

    It’s also comical that you still claim West is the “Green Party candidate” when Amy Goodman clearly said right at the beginning he’s running as the People’s Party candidate and gave a little background on them.


  21. by Indy! on July 17, 2023 12:49 am

    So far as West, at least he is talking about ending the war in Ukraine and - more importantly - ending U.S. imperialism and war for profit like Ukraine.

    Biden? He’s going to lose even if there are ZERO third party candidates.


  22. by Donna on July 17, 2023 8:18 am

    I'd love to see Biden try that, not because I think it would work, but because I think it would show people like Dr. West how hopelessly intransigent Putin and Zelensky are.



  23. by Ponderer on July 17, 2023 10:29 am

    I've always been a big fan of Cornel West. But from the moment I heard he was going to run for president, I have thought it was a bad idea. I don't think he would make a good politician at all.

    Sorry Cornel, but I don't believe this is the right calling for you. Or for the country right now for that matter. Our Constitution is heading directly for an existential threat to its very existence and I do not think that your candidacy is going to help the side that's trying to protect it from the rabid, anti-Constitutionist MAGA Republicans who seek to eliminate it and anything else that stands in their way of attaining a permanent antidemocratic, authoritarian, minority rule of this country.

    Biden has been far from a perfect president. But he has handled the presidency with duty, diplomacy, empathy, and expertise. Which the likes of Donald Trump or any of the MAGA Republicans seeking the GOP nomination are sorely lacking in, to put it mildly. The focus for this next election must... again... be to stop any Republican from gaining the White House.

    People who decry the whole "lesser evil" approach need to get theirshit together and realize what is at stake for this country and those who aren't straight white rich people if the MAGA Republican party is in charge after this next election.



  24. by HatetheSwamp on July 17, 2023 10:55 am

    po,

    Re: Our Constitution is heading directly for an existential threat to its very existence and I do not think that your candidacy is going to help the side that's trying to protect it...

    Please expand.

    And, have you noticed all the grumbling that Trump and his MAGA gang are too liberal to be considered Republican?


  25. by Indy! on July 17, 2023 11:23 am

    Pondy (or Donna - whoever) - some of the flaws in your argument...

    - West doesn't need to be a good politician (or office holder) because he's not going to win. You know that, I know that, West knows that. What he's going to do though is spread the word - show Americans that are tired of this stupid game that we actually could be a different country and live up to some of those ideals you give lip service (if not your vote) to.

    - If you're worried about the Constitution - maybe take a look at who's been giving the Rs the opportunity to destroy it. It's not the people who are tired of playing the lesser evil game. It's the lesser evil who actually has had control plenty of times with plenty of opportunity to do something and time and time again has CHOSEN to NOT do anything. They're not doing anything right at this moment - except what? VOTE FARMING for the next election. They don't care about you.

    Pondy quote:
    Biden has been far from a perfect president. But he has handled the presidency with duty, diplomacy, empathy, and expertise.

    We need far more than a good actor making sure "nothing will fundamentally change". That's what you and the rest of the brunch crowd don't understand. Playing the lesser evil game just ensures more of the same... a slow, steady drive right off the cliff. If that's what we're going to do? Take your foot off the brake. Because the sooner we go over - the sooner we get this country back on track.


  26. by Ponderer on July 18, 2023 9:52 am

    "We need far more than a good actor making sure "nothing will fundamentally change"." -Indy!

    When presented with the choice of that, or the loss of our entire democratic system of government to scofflaw authoritarianism, I feel confident in my choice to maintain the status quo, Indy!.


    Indy!, you have simply failed to make any case that "spreading the word" while standing back and allowing authoritarian scofflaws to take over the country will in any way whatsoever benefit Americans.


    If all you have is candidates who could never win in a million years, howthefuck is that supposed to get us anywhere?



  27. by HatetheSwamp on July 18, 2023 10:02 am

    "authoritarian scofflaws"

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    There's an existential reason I miss you when you're gone.

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  28. by Indy! on July 18, 2023 10:14 am

    Pondy:
    When presented with the choice of that, or the loss of our entire democratic system of government to scofflaw authoritarianism, I feel confident in my choice to maintain the status quo, Indy!.

    You're far too comfortable with friendly fascism.

    Indy!, you have simply failed to make any case that "spreading the word" while standing back and allowing authoritarian scofflaws to take over the country will in any way whatsoever benefit Americans.

    You're scared. I understand. This is where we are. It is the only answer now, but not because of the Republicans... because of the Democrats. They are the ones who are supposed to be looking out for the working folks and they haven't been carrying their end of the bargain for 40 years.

    If all you have is candidates who could never win in a million years, howthefuck is that supposed to get us anywhere?

    We already won. We elected a black man with a muslim name and gave him supermajorities in both houses (with a liberal Supreme Court to boot) to enact the "change" he promised. But you and yours - the brunch crowd - did not understand that was our last shot to reverse course. It was not a 4-8 year vacation. Obama needed to enact real change and real fast. He CHOSE not to - he CHOSE to protect the failing status quo. Now there is no going back. We will never have that opportunity again with either of the two colors of the ONE party. You continue to vote however you want - you will win a couple more times (maybe). You will never turn this buggy around - we are headed for that "scofflaw authoritarianism" no matter which side of the coin you vote for. The majority of the nation is no longer behind you. Eventually - hopefully soon - they will catch on to what the left already knows and join us. It's a much longer road now, but that is the ONLY way we "get anywhere".


  29. by Donna on July 18, 2023 10:24 am

    That's almost the dumbest thing I've ever read.



  30. by Indy! on July 18, 2023 10:31 am

    I have no doubt all these posts about the state of the left are going over everybody's head on this board When I came back here - it absolutely shocked me at how far you and Pondy have ventured to the right. None of you have any idea what is actually happening on the left these days. That's pretty easy to understand though because all of you still get your "information" from the same corporate sources you always have. You're part of the very small MINORITY that is buying what the Ds are selling. This is a fact. Look up the party numbers. Add the Ds and Rs together and they barely make up 50% of the nation. People are not buying it anymore, Donna. You are. Doesn't that bother you at least a little bit?


  31. by Ponderer on July 18, 2023 10:34 am

    -Hate

    Sure. I'll assume that it was the existential threat to our Constitution part that you were referring to.

    Mostly, I have garnered the basis for my assertion from simply watching the GOP itself over several decades. They have never been very secretive about how much of a hindrance American democracy is to them. Their election laws are stark testament to that.

    The highly undemocratic election engineering that they manage to implement in various states is the only thing that has allowed them to have any power in our federal government at all. They know that their actual policies are widely disliked by the majority of Americans. They know that they can't get elected being honest about what they stand for. They know that running on their pro-billionaire, pro-authoritarian, pro-repression, anti-civil rights policies will get them nowhere on the federal stage. So they have to terrify their constituencies into voting for them with scapegoating and vicious propaganda against some chosen "enemy" that only they can save everyone from. They have been demonstrably sociopathic enough to do anything they have to in order to be in power.

    Plenty of MAGA Republicans in office already act like tinpot dictators. And the party totally condones it and goes along with it. Just look at how our last MAGA Republican president stuffed the Supreme Court with the most activist judges he could find and are currently implementing policies that are despised by the majority of Americans. All they are devoted to is taking away freedoms from those who fought long and hard to achieve what the Constitution is supposed to give them. They have to trick people into supporting them.

    Every single authoritarian act that MAGA Republicans foist on the American people whenever they get the chance is another step in their stairway, another brick in the road to the authoritarian dystopia they have wet dreams every night about turning this country into.

    And even though they haven't yet completed the road, it's very plain to see the direction it is going in.

    It does not take a lot of imagination to see where the MAGA Republican party wants to take us to.

    Bill, do you have any problem with the GOP managing to create a permanently Republican government? Because that is simply what they are obviously working towards. The will of the American people be damned.

    Just take a look at all the election laws they are trying to enact in several states. Every single law they enact is engineered specifically to hinder likely Democrats from voting. Every one of them. And there are hundreds.

    If they get the chance to take over the country, as they are obviously intending to, they will not hesitate to take it and create their dream. And with someone like Trump in the driver seat, I'm betting it wouldn't take too long at all.



  32. by Curt_Anderson on July 18, 2023 10:40 am
    Ponderer,
    Authoritarian scofflaws is a good term for it. Trump and his surrogates make no bones about their authoritarian designs if he manages to get back into office. The New York Times had a good story about it. I’ll quote the first few paragraphs.

    Donald J. Trump and his allies are planning a sweeping expansion of presidential power over the machinery of government if voters return him to the White House in 2025, reshaping the structure of the executive branch to concentrate far greater authority directly in his hands.

    Their plans to centralize more power in the Oval Office stretch far beyond the former president’s recent remarks that he would order a criminal investigation into his political rival, President Biden, signaling his intent to end the post-Watergate norm of Justice Department independence from White House political control.

    Mr. Trump and his associates have a broader goal: to alter the balance of power by increasing the president’s authority over every part of the federal government that now operates, by either law or tradition, with any measure of independence from political interference by the White House, according to a review of his campaign policy proposals and interviews with people close to him.

    nytimes.com


  33. by Donna on July 18, 2023 10:47 am

    Yep, all of what my wife wrote.

    I haven't changed at all, Indy. I differ a little with you on foreign policy, but I agree with you 100% on domestic policy. I just think that voting for 3rd party candidates in general elections is reckless.







  34. by Donna on July 18, 2023 10:52 am

    IOW America would be in the hands of an authoritarian sociopath. Why any American would want us to go down that road is beyond me.




  35. by Indy! on July 18, 2023 1:25 pm

    If you agreed with me you wouldn't be supporting the Democrats.


  36. by Indy! on July 18, 2023 1:28 pm

    Forgot. America is already in the hands of a sociopath. Just one who is better at disguising it than Trump.


  37. by HatetheSwamp on July 18, 2023 1:30 pm

    Bill, do you have any problem with the GOP managing to create a permanently Republican government?

    Um. po. The Dems hold the White House and the Senate?????


  38. by HatetheSwamp on July 18, 2023 1:32 pm

    Curt,

    Reporting from the NYT...or was that THE WEEKLY WORLD NEWS?

    I always get them mixed up?



  39. by Indy! on July 18, 2023 2:23 pm

    Here's a question for the Biden crowd... Do any of you believe the Ds will ever hold the WH and have a supermajority in both the Senate and the House at any time in your life again?


  40. by Donna on July 18, 2023 3:45 pm

    "If you agreed with me you wouldn't be supporting the Democrats." - Indy

    I agree with the domestic policies you advocate for. But I also understand that Republican lawmakers get to vote, too.


  41. by Donna on July 18, 2023 3:46 pm

    As for your next question, I have no idea. Too many variables, and I'm not clairvoyant.


  42. by Indy! on July 18, 2023 5:22 pm

    We all know it's never going to happen again. The Ds have destroyed what little credibility they had in the wake of the Obama disaster and diminished the party to the point of needing a Trump in the WH in order to take it back. There's no way they will ever have control of that much government again.

    And even worse - if by some miracle they actually did pull it off? The Supreme Court would still be filled with the rightwing clowns Biden, Hillary and RGB allowed to take over the place. So any kind of real change would be impossible.


  43. by Donna on July 18, 2023 8:20 pm

    "Um. po. The Dems hold the White House and the Senate?????" -Hate

    Yeah. So what? You think that's going to be a permanent situation? I am obviously not talking about the GOP doing it all while the Dems are in charge.



  44. by Ponderer on July 18, 2023 8:31 pm

    And I totally agree with what I wrote under Donna's name directly above this post.


  45. by oldedude on July 18, 2023 9:23 pm
    Donna/po/whomeverthefuk-

    That's what I was trying to say. Honestly, there is no permanent solution to the Crimea. It's just not possible. You are mixing the culture with the political that have been at war since greece was a major player in the area.

    Look back at what I said. Be the first one to actually look at it. IF putin goes down, that's a mixed bag. The Chinese (who are far stronger than the russians) will step in and have their own lacky nation. THEY will run the country under (maybe) a former "president." russia will be a puppet. that's all. Do they have the ability? absolutely. Only the diehard pedojoe fans believe they don't because pedojoe is beholden to them. So think about that. China has the "new" military. man for man, x2 the power we have. Their ships are stronger, their military are far more disciplined, they're not woke, their hours are spent on how to murder people, not discussing who is "they/them" or WTF ever else. They have zero regard for human life. That is a key. They will murder anyone their government tells them to. They HATE the LGBTQ+ community. they are the jews of the CCP. They are under a "President for Life." If that doesn't ring "despot" to you, nothing will.


  46. by oldedude on July 18, 2023 9:52 pm
    Also, for those of y'all that didn't really read my post through. Read what I said about china. If you doubt that global power, look at the UN and US and EU pieces of this. They have major powers wrapped around their "selves" (because indy has a filthy mind). They own a lot of US and EU agricultural land (meaning they own the source of food). IF they take russia and the steppes and baltic, the global food sources are at the whim of the chinese. ergo, everyone but them starves.

    If putin goes or not is almost immaterial. He's one goon and the country would be good to see him go. The true issue is "Who will take the country afterwards?" He's pretty much assassinated everyone that "might" be a decent president. Or at least anyone that can actually take this country by the "nozzle" and direct it to any sort of change of government. This was done for a reason. If you haven't been watching for the last 10 years, you're not up to date. At all.


  47. by Indy! on July 19, 2023 1:03 am

    I love it when OD self-righteously acts like he’s the only person living on planet Earth. We all just stepped off the rocket ship from Planet X and OD is going to fill us in on what’s been happening in the world since the end of the Cold War. 😂 All I can say OD is I’m glad you at least understand China can easily make us their bitch when the time come. And when it comes to Putin it’s good to revisit the “better the devil you know” rule before you try to take him out. Even if it means Curt is going to call you “pro-Putin”.


  48. by oldedude on July 19, 2023 10:34 am
    says the unimployable "artist."


  49. by Indy! on July 19, 2023 5:19 pm

    You not being able to afford me doesn't equate to "unimployable" (sic), Old Dud. First learn how to spell the big words, then look them up in a dictionary to learn what they mean - THEN start using them.


  50. by oldedude on July 19, 2023 7:38 pm
    but I'm not unemployed.....


  51. by Indy! on July 20, 2023 1:53 am

    You’re also not making any sense.


  52. by oldedude on July 20, 2023 5:31 am
    I remember you "world view" is built on a 30 run of 20 countries. You should have lived in one of those countries. Not done your "tour" in the saunas and bath houses.


  53. by Indy! on July 20, 2023 8:34 am

    LOL! WTF are you talking about, OD? I think your “memory” has once again failed you.


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