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Pence calls for his 2024 rivals to back a 15-week federal abortion ban on eve of Dobbs anniversary
By HatetheSwamp
June 25, 2023 7:54 am
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The guy has absolutely no chance whatsoever to win the GOP nomination but he's courageous.

Shannon Bream had Pence and Dem Senator Ben Cardin on Fox News Sunday today. Cardin came across as a shill for the Dem Swamp. She mentioned that the Dem Party position is that abortion should be available to women without restriction. (BTW, Donna and isle have denied that in the past.) Bream asked Cardin if he shares that view. Cardin accepted that that's the Party's position. He said that he agrees with it. He walks in lockstep, as Dems do.

Later, abortion was a significant part of Bream's chat with Pence...based on what Pence said to the Faith and Freedom Coalition on Saturday:

WASHINGTON (AP) — Former Vice President Mike Pence used a Friday gathering of some of the nation’s leading Christian conservatives to urge his rivals for the Republican presidential nomination to support a 15-week federal abortion ban at minimum.

"We must not rest and we must not relent until we restore the sanctity of life to the center of American law in every state in this country,” Pence said. “Every Republican candidate for president should support a ban on abortion before 15 weeks as a minimum nationwide standard.”


pb's been pi$$ed at GOPs...and the whole country...in the aftermath of the Dobbs decision. pb was surprised by the Dobbs decision but he agrees agrees with its bottom line, i.e.., that the issue should be "regulated by the people and their representatives."

This is an, as po'd say, EFFIN Republic! As Lincoln said, this is a nation "of the people, by the people and for the people."

Sadly, since the decision was handed down, wackos on both sides have prevailed.

Polling suggests that the majority of Americans think that abortion should be available without restriction up to week 13-15 of pregnancy. From the moment Roe was overturned, pb's said here that abortion law should reflect the will of the people.

Only Mike Pence says anything close to that. Every other candidate today is a hack for their own party, choosing to serve the wackos of both parties.

Incidentally, I do recall Donna essentially agreeing with me on abortion.

It's time for sanity for the sake of the people and for mothers, and babies.


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Comments on "Pence calls for his 2024 rivals to back a 15-week federal abortion ban on eve of Dobbs anniversary":

  1. by Indy! on June 25, 2023 10:51 am
    Think they are misrepresenting the D party position on abortion. This whole thing is going to backfire on the GOP too. If you're going to try and outlaw abortion - then you need to support birth control too. You guys need to resist the urge to slip into your hypocritical comfort zone on this one, peebs.


  2. by HatetheSwamp on June 26, 2023 7:18 am

    Indy!,

    Very, very few GOPs want to outlaw abortion. Regulate it?, absolutely.

    As far as the Dem Party position, Bream described the Dem Party position as "abortion without restriction"...which is what's provided for in the Women's Health Protection Act that Dems have voted for several times...and which Cardin says he supports.

    I hate that the wackos on both sides have hijacked the issue.

    It's typical Swamp! You wanna raise money...on either side?... send out a letter and mention abortion. Corrupt DC politicians don't want meaningful and reasonable abortion law. It'd mess up fundraising.


  3. by Indy! on June 26, 2023 9:39 am
    Give me the text from that proposal that says absolutely no restrictions.
    The GOP absolutely DOES want to eliminate abortions altogether. They've been trying to outlaw it thru the courts and by eliminating services the entire time.


  4. by HatetheSwamp on June 26, 2023 9:50 am

    Google "Women's Health Protection Act." Or search for Bream's Fox News Sunday interview of Ben Cardin.


  5. by Indy! on June 26, 2023 12:17 pm
    I googled it - it was too long to read for that one part. The GOP always mischaracterizes the D position as "no restrictions" because medical issues can result in an "abortion" at any time. The procedure is a medical necessity to save the mother's life sometimes - therefore you can't restrict it at "any time".


  6. by oldedude on June 26, 2023 12:58 pm
    Here is the purpose in the bill where it states (the purpose of the act) "to permit health care providers to provide abortion services without limitations or requirements. Additional context is provided. There are additional cites further in the bill.

    S. 1645
    To protect a woman’s ability to determine whether and when to bear a
    child or end a pregnancy, and to protect a health care provider’s ability
    to provide reproductive health care services, including abortion services.

    [starting on page 9 of the act]
    (b) PURPOSE.—It is the purpose of this Act—
    24 (1) to permit health care providers to provide
    25 abortion services without limitations or requirements
    [10]
    •S 1645 IS
    1 that single out the provision of abortion services for
    2 restrictions that are more burdensome than those restrictions imposed on medically comparable procedures, do not significantly advance women’s health
    5 or the safety of abortion services, and make abortion
    6 services more difficult to access;


    ADDITIONAL INFORMATION-
    The WHPA bars any “requirement that a patient seeking abortion services at any point or points in time prior to fetal viability disclose the patient’s reason or reasons for seeking abortion services, or a limitation on the provision or obtaining of abortion services at any point or points in time prior to fetal viability based on any actual, perceived, or potential reason or reasons of the patient for obtaining abortion services, regardless of whether the limitation is based on a health care provider’s degree of actual or constructive knowledge of such reason or reasons.” Even as to post-viability abortions, the broad discretion granted to a health care provider to perform an abortion based on the provider’s good faith judgment that continuation of pregnancy would pose a “risk,” however insubstantial or remote, to the woman’s health, would seem to bar any rule prohibiting an abortion sought, in whole or in part, because of the unborn child’s race, gender, disability, or other trait.

    vi The WHPA bars any “requirement that a health care provider perform specific tests or medical procedures in
    connection with the provision of abortion services, unless generally required for the provision of medically
    comparable procedures.”
    vii The WHPA lists “parental involvement laws (notification and consent” as one type of a law that “obstruct[s]”
    access to abortion. See also Finding 16 of the bill, referring to third-party authorization laws as among the
    “medically unnecessary barriers to abortion services.”
    viii The WHPA bars any “requirement that, prior to obtaining an abortion, a patient make one or more medically unnecessary in-person visits to the provider of abortion services or to any individual or entity that does not provide abortion services.” See also Finding 16 of the bill, referring to waiting periods as among the “medically unnecessary barriers to abortion services.”
    ix The WHPA bars any “requirement or limitation concerning … staffing … or hospital transfer arrangements of facilities where abortion services are provided … that is not imposed on facilities or the personnel of facilities where medically comparable procedures are performed.”
    congress.gov
    usccb.org


  7. by HatetheSwamp on June 26, 2023 1:03 pm

    Right. All restrictions on abortion are removed...up to the moment of birth. That's the DC Dems' position. Certainly, not all real life Dem voters agree.


  8. by Ponderer on June 27, 2023 7:04 am

    "Very, very few GOPs want to outlaw abortion." -Hate

    Oh that's funny. Only a MAGA Republican would define most as "Very, very few".

    Good work, Bill.


  9. by HatetheSwamp on June 27, 2023 7:21 am

    Heck, po. Even, as you'd say, EFFIN Ron DeSantis doesn't want to outlaw abortion.


  10. by Ponderer on June 27, 2023 8:16 am

    Oh rest assured that he wants to. He just knows that it wouldn't help him right now to voice such an opinion. So, you know... Baby steps...

    You are an idiot if you think it's not what the MAGA Republican party has wanted and striven for for many decades.


  11. by HatetheSwamp on June 27, 2023 9:28 am

    Gang,

    Check it out. Classic!: Standard progressive delusions of omniscience...

    Oh rest assured that he wants to. He just knows that it wouldn't help him right now to voice such an opinion. So, you know... Baby steps...

    You are an idiot if you think it's not what the MAGA Republican party has wanted and striven for for many decades.


    Blast from the past!!!!

    And, po, Trump and the MAGA gang, are being very moderate on abortion. It's the DeSantis hardliners who are going bonkers on social issues. You'd know that if you could drop the hate and open your mind.



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