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The Most "Woke" Laws Ever Foisted On the American People.....
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June 2, 2023 8:06 am
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"We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness—-" -The Declaration of Independence

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." -14th Amendment, Section I


These sentiments are what is at the heart of what "woke" actually meant when it was originally coined, and not what the MAGA Right have turned it into. And this is what all those attacking anything they perceive as "woke" are actually attacking. Although they are loathe to ever admit that it's what they are doing.

These precepts within the very foundation of our country are actually what all you bigoted MAGA Republicans are protesting with your "Anti-Woke" bullshit.




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  1. by Ponderer on June 3, 2023 6:57 am

    Well I guess this was never going to start any debates over the issue if everyone apparently agrees with me.

    That's good to know though. I always like getting confirmation of my assertions.

    It also shows that Anti-woke Right members in here know exactly what they are doing and are still doing it anyway.

    Absolutely despicable.



  2. by HatetheSwamp on June 3, 2023 7:23 am

    Patience. po. Back off on the high test coffee.

    Or, is it crystal meth!!!!? Baha baha.

    What is it about the Declaration of Independence that you imagine conservatives and libertarians find objectionable? You who, during the pandemic, cheered every violation of personal liberty the Flatulent Fool or any Blue State governor could dream up? C'mon man, gimme a break!!!!!

    And, you're suggesting that we find the 14th Amendment objectionable? And, you think it's woke?

    You need to do some serious splainin there. Do tell, please!

    Baha bahahahahahahahahahaha baha baha!


  3. by Ponderer on June 3, 2023 7:57 am

    "What is it about the Declaration of Independence that you imagine conservatives and libertarians find objectionable?" -Hate

    Speaking only about conservatives, the parts where it doesn't let you do things to other people that you want to do to them.


  4. by HatetheSwamp on June 3, 2023 8:08 am

    Such as?


  5. by Ponderer on June 3, 2023 8:15 am

    It would take quite some time for me to fully list all the ways how conservatives seek to control others' lives and make them conform to their particular dogmas. Such as abortion, same sex marriage, transgender health care, voting rights... I could go on and on, but those are a good start.



  6. by HatetheSwamp on June 3, 2023 8:36 am

    Except for the Constitutional regulation of the killing the unborn "by the people and their representatives," you're just lying.


  7. by oldedude on June 3, 2023 8:49 am
    Although I haven't really posted on this by choice, I just had to. It would take quite some time for me to fully list all the ways how sheeple libtards seek to control others' lives and make them conform to their particular dogmas. Such as abortion, same sex marriage, transgender health care, voting rights... I could go on and on, but those are a good start.


  8. by oldedude on June 3, 2023 8:56 am
    And both the Declaration of Independence and the 14th Amendment say abortion must be, by law, illegal. "...nor shall any State deprive any person of life..."

    Yet, we as citizens on the conservative side are actually willing to negotiate this law in the interest of viewing an alternative viewpoint. Maybe we should go back on that and take the law as the taking of innocent life as a crime. Regardless.


  9. by HatetheSwamp on June 3, 2023 9:02 am

    Ironic, ain't. That po should cherish abortion specifically in light of the appeal to the Declaration of Independence and the 14th Amendment. Baha baha.


  10. by Ponderer on June 3, 2023 9:36 am

    "...nor shall any State deprive any person of life..."

    A fetus is not legally a "person". If it was, the Right's anti-abortion laws being passed by the ream would easily apply to any fetus, at any stage of development across the board. So anything you say on the subject of abortion based on your assertion that the 14th declars that "abortion must be, by law, illegal" is meaningless and irrelevant.

    And if you want to get technical, Red States are now depriving women of life with these anti-abortion laws when they medically need an abortion and the State won't let doctors or hospitals save her with one. Horror stories are already stacking up of women who are forced to carry dangerously nonviable fetuses until they need intensive care and are near death. The State is entirely responsible for such deprivation of a woman's right to life.



  11. by HatetheSwamp on June 3, 2023 9:42 am

    Do tell.


  12. by Ponderer on June 3, 2023 11:00 am

    Just did.


  13. by HatetheSwamp on June 3, 2023 11:02 am

    Nuh uh. Keeheeheeheeheeheeheehee, ha.


  14. by oldedude on June 3, 2023 2:54 pm
    A fetus is not legally a "person".

    So now you're trading in your "morals" murdering children that have just as much chance at life as someone full term (and in some cases, full-term+).


  15. by oldedude on June 3, 2023 2:54 pm
    for the convenience of the mother.


  16. by Ponderer on June 3, 2023 3:26 pm

    No, I am not doing any such thing at all. As usual, you aimed all your weapons in the exact opposite direction of the point.

    And by the way, since a fetus is not actually a "person", it could hardly have ever been a "child", now could it?





  17. by oldedude on June 3, 2023 3:35 pm
    The point is that there are nine states and DC that allow full term "abortion." It's not a fetus if it's born. It's homicide.


  18. by Ponderer on June 3, 2023 5:18 pm

    No one gets "full term abortions". I don't care if you assert that the law in those states allows it, there's just no such thing as a full-term abortion. It doesn't happen. It would never happen. You are suggesting a logical absurdity.

    Unless there was some accident or medical emergency and the fetus wouldn't survive and the mother's life depended on it being removed as soon as possible, there is no reason why any woman would carry a fetus all the way to full term and then intentionally abort it. You are positing a large pile of horseshit there olde dude.




  19. by oldedude on June 3, 2023 7:52 pm
    Look at the fukking law. Simple as that. They can legally call it after birth.
    You need a dose of the real world, not your pretend pretty princess window.


  20. by Ponderer on June 3, 2023 8:16 pm

    olde dude, in the "real world" you speak of, no one gets "full term abortions". I don't care if you assert that the law in those states supposedly allows it, there's just no such thing as "full-term abortion". It doesn't happen. It would never happen. It doesn't exist because no one ever does it and no one ever would. You are suggesting a logical absurdity.


  21. by oldedude on June 4, 2023 7:51 am
    Why Partial-Birth Abortion?
    There are only two methods of abortion that can be done after 14 weeks. These are the intact dilation and extraction abortion (the so-called partial-birth abortion) and a more common method called a dilation and evacuation abortion. Both types of abortion begin with the same preparation of the cervix. And because of the size of the baby, both require two separate visits to the abortionist’s office.

    On the first visit for either type of abortion, the abortionist prepares the mother’s cervix to dilate. He will insert laminaria—a sterilized seaweed—into her cervix. This absorbs water and swells, which prepares and begins opening the cervix. Then, 24–48 hours later, the mother must return to the office so she can deliver the baby. When the mother’s body is ready, the doctor will further open her cervix so he has access to the baby.

    In a dilation and evacuation abortion, the abortionist uses a suction tube to suck out the amniotic fluid. The baby is too big to fit through that tube, so she cannot be sucked out. The abortionist must pull her out in pieces. He does this with a tool called a Sopher clamp. Using this clamp, he grabs onto different parts of the baby and pulls until he has removed the entirety of her body. At this point, he must verify that he has gotten all the baby’s body parts, and he puts her together like a jigsaw puzzle outside the mother’s body.

    Conversely, in partial-birth abortion, the abortionist follows the same preparations as described above, but instead of using the Sopher clamp and suction tube, he delivers the baby partway. He then stops the delivery and kills her by stabbing her neck with scissors.

    You might wonder why abortionists would use the partial-birth method instead of the dilation and evacuation method. It comes down to the size of the child: “Some abortion doctors use PBA in the middle and last months of pregnancy, when dismembering a child becomes more difficult due to the child’s stronger bones and ligaments.”

    If the abortionist cannot pull the child’s limbs apart because the child has grown too big and his bones have become too strong, the doctor may find it a better option to deliver the baby intact. Further, some doctors—and legislators—claim that delivering the baby intact is safer for the mother, as pieces of the baby will not be left inside her, which could lead to life-threatening complications.

    hli.org


  22. by oldedude on June 4, 2023 7:56 am
    So I have a legit question regarding your statement below. What is your definition of "woke" as I did for MAGA. That will stop the back and forth of "all you." Well maybe, because you still ONLY relate MAGA to trumpster, even though we've proved that's not true. AND has there been a change in what woke actually means today opposed to what it meant originally? I'm actually interested in this. Thanks.

    These sentiments are what is at the heart of what "woke" actually meant when it was originally coined, and not what the MAGA Right have turned it into. And this is what all those attacking anything they perceive as "woke" are actually attacking. Although they are loathe to ever admit that it's what they are doing.


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