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Settlement reached in Dominion defamation lawsuit against Fox News
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April 18, 2023 1:44 pm
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Pretty much what pb predicted.

$787.5 mill. Less than half price.

A win for Fox, eh?


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Comments on "Settlement reached in Dominion defamation lawsuit against Fox News":

  1. by Curt_Anderson on April 18, 2023 1:58 pm
    "Pretty much what pb predicted." --HtS

    Except for your guarantee that Fox doesn't admit any wrongdoing and the belief in the accuracy of Megyn Kelly who thought Tucker and Sean would win the jury over and Clay who said FOX would win on appeal. Also OD got it wrong in predicting there would be a non-disclosure agreement if they settled.

    Dominion collects a $787.5 million settlement, roughly the GDP of a small country. No appeal is possible.

    Next up for FOX is Smartmatic. Next up for Dominion is Mike Lyndell and other MAGA misfits.


  2. by HatetheSwamp on April 18, 2023 2:07 pm

    Megyn said they COULD charm a jury. When I heard about the settlement, I thought that Megyn handicapped it accurately.

    What I think I said is that a settlement wouldn't, of necessity, imply acknowledgement of wrongdoing.


  3. by Curt_Anderson on April 18, 2023 2:16 pm
    "What I think I said is that a settlement wouldn't, of necessity, imply acknowledgement of wrongdoing." ---HTS


    Actually what you said was this:
    "I disagree, Curt. If there's a settlement...which I've predicted from the beginning...I guaran...as po'd say...EFFIN...tee, the settlement will specify that Fox doesn't admit any wrongdoing."


  4. by HatetheSwamp on April 18, 2023 3:44 pm

    Okay.

    Having read the settlement story, my guess is that the Fox and Dominion statements were negotiated as a part of the settlement.

    Being an occasional watcher of CNN and MSNBC, I'm looking for a right-winger to file a suit, now that the precedent has been set.


  5. by Curt_Anderson on April 18, 2023 4:31 pm
    "Being an occasional watcher of CNN and MSNBC, I'm looking for a right-winger to file a suit, now that the precedent has been set." ---HtS

    First you should look for a malicious lie told on CNN or MSNBC that some right-winger can sue for. Speaking of which, whatever happened to Trump's defamation lawsuit against CNN for their use of the term "Big Lie" in reference to claims of a rigged election?


  6. by oldedude on April 18, 2023 10:25 pm
    As much as I want Lead's wish to come true, I agree with you. There is NOTHING that can be done at this point. Deal with it. This is what isle hates. The law. Right now? you got nuttin. Period. end of story.


  7. by HatetheSwamp on April 19, 2023 2:39 am

    Curt,

    Trump Trump Trump Trump... Baha baha baha! If Trump ever retires from public life, I think the rest of us should chip in and send you flowers and pay for that first counseling session.


    pb's point about CNN and MSNBC is that it's likely that high end ambulance chasers have just seen how relatively easy it is to get, probably a one-third share of a 9 figure settlement.

    pb thinks that you can't unring a bell.


  8. by islander on April 19, 2023 4:59 am

    A newspaper cannot be sued for making an honest mistake. Fox news was not sued for making an honest mistake or simply printing incorrect or false information.

    ”The bar is set high to protect the press from being punished for making an honest mistake and printing incorrect information. The plaintiff must prove the publisher intended to harm their reputation and didn’t sufficiently check their facts.

    Fox news Admitted that it knew that what it was reporting was false:

    The settlement was for more than the original Dominion complaint:


    "" Fox noted in a press release yesterday, "states that the 'lost profits' figure is 'not less than $600,000,000,'" but Dominion "is no longer pursuing it, knocking more than a half a billion dollars off their damages claim." If so, Fox has agreed to pay nearly four-fifths of the revised figure.”

    rasmussen.edu
    reason.com


  9. by HatetheSwamp on April 19, 2023 5:52 am

    Do you ever watch MSNBC?

    I know you agree with its deranged, defamatory hate speech, but if you even imagine, in your TDS wet dreams, that it's all "honest," then you're not...

    ...which is probably the case, now that I think about it.

    I'm only saying that some wacko lawyer will see openings, now that the precedent's there.

    Particularly if s/he can come up with a way to file suit in Texas or Florida or, say, Mississippi.

    Ain't?


  10. by islander on April 19, 2023 8:22 am

    Hate asks me, ”Do you ever watch MSNBC?”

    No. I don’t. As I’ve said before, I don’t watch any TV network news shows. I’ve never even watched Rachel Maddox. We dropped cable TV years ago.

    

I DO however listen to NPR, BBC, etc. and I always thoroughly enjoyed Paul Harvey when he was alive. I’ve been listening to right wing talk radio shows for decades going all the way back to the start up Rush Limbaugh, Laura Shlesinger , and some you’ve probably never heard of like Ken Hamblin “The Black Avenger”, who, at the time was sometimes called the black Rush Limbaugh. “And” I’ve always enjoyed listening to the conservative religious radio shows like Jerry Falwell’s Old Time Gospel Hour, etc.

    For me, it' always been extremely important to know and understand what and how the other side thinks and believes.


  11. by Ponderer on April 19, 2023 8:36 am

    "Do you ever watch MSNBC?

    I know you agree with its deranged, defamatory hate speech,"
    -Hate

    I just love when you ignorantly pontificate on things you know absolutely nothing about. Most of my enjoyment is in how you hilariously don't understand just how stupid your flaming projection makes you look. You're an ignorant, projecting moron stupidly parroting whatever Trump or Fox tells you. You got nothing, Bill.

    For example, I know for a fact that if I asked you to present even one single, solitary example of anyone on MSNBC ever broadcasting "deranged, defamatory hate speech", or anything even vaguely resembling the cacophonous barrage of defamatory hate speech spewed on Fox on a daily basis, you would just go off into all manner of idiotically lame obfuscation to distract us from the fact that you simply couldn't do it. Not even one single example. So I shall not even bother asking you to defend your asinine, hate-filled delusion. I know better.


  12. by HatetheSwamp on April 19, 2023 8:40 am

    I just love when you ignorantly pontificate on things you know absolutely nothing about.

    isle,

    How many years have I been reading your SS posts?

    10? 15? More?

    You declare yourself very clearly. Very, very...

    Baha baha baha ha baha baha, ahhhhhhhhhhh.


  13. by Ponderer on April 19, 2023 8:55 am

    "I'm only saying that some wacko lawyer will see openings, now that the precedent's there." -Hate

    So you think the gates are flung wide open now for lawsuits to be brought against networks like CNN and MSNBC do you?

    Dear God it would be boundlessly hysterical to watch them try.

    You see, those are actually legitimate "news" organizations with a deep dedication to the institution of journalism. Something Fox commentators and their zombie viewers have absolutely no concept or comprehension of. These networks strive to vet and authenticate what they allow on their air. They don't have to feed their viewers lies just because that is all they want to hear. For MSNBC viewers, the truth is what we want, and conveniently, that is what they strive to provide. We don't demand that they only report what we want to hear, whether it's true or not, like Fox viewers do of Fox.

    Yeah so go ahead and let a whole herd of Giulianis loose on MSNBC or CNN! I predict that there won't be a single lawsuit akin to what Fox just went through filed against any of the other news networks.

    Look, Bill. I get it. Your projection demands that you try to scare us into thinking that there will be retribution against these networks for Fox being held to account for broadcasting lies they knew to be lies to their viewers, some of which destroyed a totally innocent corporation. Ooooooo yes I am sure they are all quivering in their boots 'bout now. Dear God you are an idiot.



  14. by HatetheSwamp on April 19, 2023 9:05 am

    ...legitimate "news" organizations...

    Yikes, po! What you could be if you had self-awareness to go along with all of that unabashed subjectivity!!!!!


  15. by Curt_Anderson on April 19, 2023 10:26 am
    HtS,
    Yes, there are legitimate news organizations. FOX "News" ain't one of them, or to be charitable they barely make the grade. The recent lawsuit showed evidence that FOX was concerned about their ratings and stock price at the expense of telling their audience the truth and reporting the facts.

    I cannot count the times that conservatives on this site bragged about FOX News' Nielsen ratings as if it were a measure of legitimacy. Of course a network can boost their audience share if they tell them what they want to hear regardless of accuracy. Btw, that sort of logic is akin to your insisting the 2020 election was "rigged" because polls indicate that a segment of the population believes it was.

    What you won't see is FOX News winning awards for journalism like MSNBC, CNN, PBS, NPR, ABC, CBS have. See links.






    adweek.com
    nihcm.org


  16. by HatetheSwamp on April 19, 2023 10:56 am

    I'd love your list of legitimate news organizations. I ain't saying that there are none. I, for one, can't think of any and I'm convinced that no legitimate news organization can survive financially these days.

    What I chortled over with po is the suggestion that MSNBC, especially, is a legitimate news organization.


  17. by Curt_Anderson on April 19, 2023 11:16 am
    HtS,
    If you don't think that MSNBC is legitimate and you believe they could be sued for defamation, I'll say again what I wrote above:
    "First you should look for a malicious lie told on CNN or MSNBC that some right-winger can sue for."

    Have you found any examples yet?

    Btw, are you under the same misapprehension as Marjorie Taylor Greene? That is confusing criticism with lying? See link.
    news.yahoo.com


  18. by HatetheSwamp on April 19, 2023 12:25 pm

    You honestly think that MSNBC reports news? C'mon man. Gimme a break!

    You and I are old enuff to have watched the nightly news with Walter Cronkite and Huntley/Brinkley. (Cronkite, near the end, not so much.) That was reasonably fair journalism.

    In its early days, CNN reported news without preaching, but not no more...for a long time.

    In fact, Rupert Murdock figured out, very early on, that CNN mostly just preached a Dem/liberal gospel. He realized that he could make a pretty penny with the message that cable news ain't fair.

    Remember Fox's slogans in the early days?, "Fair and balanced." "We report, you decide." They worked...because Murdock was right. He's made, as po'd say, an EFFIN fortune off of the fact that there was no longer legitimate cable news reporting...even in the mid 90s.

    The fact that Fox drew so large an audience, from the beginning, is testimony to the fact that the consumers of news were frustrated by the liberal slant of CNN. I'm guessing not you. But, do your own math.

    And, for just a little longer than it takes for a geezer to launch a good belch, Fox aspired to journalism, neutrality, but not for long.

    I know that you are too much of a progressive snob, but I'm sure you know that GUTFELD! regularly scores the highest ratings among late night hosts, even though it's on cable.

    Here's a heads-up. One of the regular schticks on ! is playing clips of the hysterical, moronic, biased MSNBC and CNN presumed reporting of news. It's hilarious. The audience loves it, as the ratings prove. So, if you really care to see examples proving that CNN and MSNBC ain't legitimate, check out !. I'm certain that you won't laugh. But, you're probably capable of getting the point.

    MSNBC, CNN, none of the broadcast networks, legitimately report news. Neither, for sure, does Fox.

    The difference between us? I get that.


  19. by Curt_Anderson on April 19, 2023 12:33 pm
    HtS,
    I appreciate your proving my point, but no need to beat a dead horse. I already said that conservatives like you falsely equate TV ratings with validity. You don't have to repeat it ad nauseum.

    At the risk of repeating myself, if you ever catch MSNBC making a FOX-comparable malicious lie, please report it here.


  20. by HatetheSwamp on April 19, 2023 12:47 pm

    I'm not conservative. I am a Swamp hater and libertarian.

    And, just let me say this about that and let me know make this perfectly clear: I don't watch Fox for news.

    What I did say is that Fox is immensely profitable because most of TV news media competition is progressive and can't stop preaching.

    Be honest, bruh. Do you honestly think that MSNBC reports news?, produces journalism?


  21. by Curt_Anderson on April 19, 2023 12:55 pm
    Yes, HTS. MSNBC has anchors, reporters and contributors who have won actual awards---like the Pulitzer--for journalism.



  22. by HatetheSwamp on April 19, 2023 12:57 pm

    And, you don't catch the ongoing editorializing????? Honestly!

    You do know that Pulitzers are for libs, ain't?


  23. by Curt_Anderson on April 19, 2023 1:00 pm
    HTS,
    How do you figure that you are any sort of libertarian? Your preferred GOP presidential candidate is Ron DeSantis. Libertarians definitely don't tell businesses what they can and cannot say. Real libertarians have no problem with gays or abortion. They certainly don't get into a fight with Mickey Mouse.


  24. by HatetheSwamp on April 19, 2023 1:06 pm

    I have no problems with gays.

    I support extremely moderate abortion policies.

    DeSantis has done important things to limit the power of Big Brother.


  25. by Curt_Anderson on April 19, 2023 1:19 pm
    HtS,
    You are fooling no one but yourself.

    Real libertarians don't fret about issues involving gay people like you do.
    Real libertarians believe that abortion is a matter for individual conscience, not public decree.
    Ron DeSantis IS Big Brother. DeSantis is the Big Brother of an overly intrusive, controlling government that dictates which books can be read, what can be taught, what businesses can say and that abortions can only be performed in the first six weeks.


  26. by islander on April 19, 2023 2:47 pm

    Hate’s tactic, I didn’t say that! I don’t know if its true or not, I’m just telling you what "someone else" told me, is getting very very old.

    Everyone here knows how that works. Mary Jane leans over the backyard fence and says to her neighbor, “Ellie told me that last week, when Sally's husband Ed was up at his hunting camp, she saw his wife Sally go into the West Side motel with Charley. And that’s not the only time !!”

    When confronted by Sally and told that what she said was a lie, Mary Jane responds with, “I never told anyone that I saw you going into a motel! I never thought you’d do anything like that. This is just what Ellie has been telling people.

    I think Hate might be able to try and redeem himself and possibly get a little more respect around here if he would just start being a straight shooter.


  27. by islander on April 19, 2023 2:51 pm

    Curt~
    This is going to be a VERY hard thing to accept and/or acknowledge for a lot of people who have been listening to Fox for years and have been putting their faith and trust in what Fox has been telling them. I do think though, that the tide is turning and more and more of the American people are beginning to realize how they have been mislead and deceived all this time.

    It's taken a long time but I think this is just the beginning!!


  28. by HatetheSwamp on April 19, 2023 2:59 pm

    I don't fret about gay issues. Between the two of us, I'm the who's a huuuuuuuuuge fan of that gay Guy you still haven't even heard of. Wokeness is about Big Brother intrusion into the lives of free Americans. I do vehemently oppose the trans woke political agenda.

    From the libertarians I know, you're not accurately characterizing libertarians' on abortion but, then, you won't let me think what I think the Swamp is. Now, you're telling me what I can believe about abortion. Nuthin new. In the US these days, abortion is regulated "by the people and their representatives." My political view is hypermoderate.

    As far as DeSantis is concerned, he fights for the freedom of citizens in the face of woke Big Brother-ism. BTW, he's never told anyone what book they can't read.


  29. by Curt_Anderson on April 19, 2023 3:19 pm
    "From the libertarians I know, you're not accurately characterizing libertarians' on abortion but, then, you won't let me think what I think the Swamp is." ---HtS

    I have it exactly right. Read what REAL libertarians say, "Libertarians: Abortion is a matter for individual conscience, not public decree". See link.

    We all know what you think the Swamp is. It's amorphous like Trump's definition*. It's whatever you don't like.

    *The Los Angeles Times has good piece on this, "Trump shifts meaning of ‘Drain the Swamp’ from ethics to anything he objects to". See link.
    lp.org
    latimes.com


  30. by Ponderer on April 19, 2023 3:19 pm

    "My political view is hypermoderate." -Hate



    That's it. I will never try to drink something at the same time that I'm reading anything that Hate posts ever again!

    Geez what a mess...!!! 😢


  31. by Ponderer on April 19, 2023 3:22 pm

    Great work today, Curt, Isle by the way...!

    You're doing God's work.


    But then, we all are when it comes to Hate.


  32. by islander on April 20, 2023 5:08 am

    Ponderer~

    It’s interesting now to hear from the ever growing number of new “Libertarians”.

    Just like Hate, they want to distance themselves from the party they support and the people they voted into office...So now they are Libertarians and not Republicans. Especially not Republicans! I honestly can’t say that I blame them. 😁


  33. by oldedude on April 20, 2023 5:17 am
    "Hate’s tactic, I didn’t say that! I don’t know if its true or not, I’m just telling you what "someone else" told me, is getting very very old."

    This is EXACTLY what you do with muffy. Except with you, it's a hero worship bordering on sexual fantasy.


  34. by HatetheSwamp on April 20, 2023 5:40 am

    It’s interesting now to hear from the ever growing number of new “Libertarians”.

    Just like Hate, they want to distance themselves from the party they support and the people they voted into office


    This is what isle does when he knows he's bested. For the rest of you...

    The GOP is precisely the home of diversity, openness, inclusion and tolerance and acceptance but, most of all, diversity.

    GOPs don't walk in lockstep. Look up videos of Mitt Romney and Ben Sasse trashing Trump. We're freethinking people.

    It surprises and gratfies pb that, more and more with each passing day, libertarians are realizing that they have a home among the GOPs.


  35. by islander on April 20, 2023 6:27 am

    Unlike you, Hate, Mitt Romney, Ben Sasse etc. are Republicans who don't claim to be Libertarians !! LoL !!!


  36. by HatetheSwamp on April 20, 2023 6:34 am

    Like me, isle, they claim to be REPUBLICANS!!!!!

    Diversity and acceptance, inclusion, tolerance and openness and, most of all, FREETHINKING? They're a hoot. I wish you had the spiritual strength to achieve them.


  37. by islander on April 20, 2023 11:21 am

    So, Hate...Now you are claiming to be a Republican! And this shortly after trying to convince Curt earlier that you were a Libertarian !!



    There’s nothing wrong with being a Libertarian ya know! They are the third largest party in the USA and were on the ballot in all 50 states in the 2020 election. Personally, I’d prefer to be a Libertarian than a member of what your Republican party has devolved into today.


  38. by HatetheSwamp on April 20, 2023 11:32 am

    I am a registered Republican by party, a libertarian by political ideology.

    Personally, I’d prefer to be a Libertarian than a member of what your Republican party has devolved into today.

    The GOP is the home of freethinking, openness, inclusion and tolerance, acceptance and diversity, no doubt. It's a big tent. Everyone is welcome. But a word of advice for you personally...

    Don't push. You may become the first exception.

    You don't score high on freethinking.

    Keeheeheeheeheeheeheehee.

    Baha baha baha bahahahahahahahahahaha baha baha, ahhhhhhhhhhh!


  39. by Ponderer on April 20, 2023 1:52 pm

    Baha baha baha bahahahahahahahahahaha baha baha, ahhhhhhhhhhh!


  40. by islander on April 20, 2023 2:00 pm

    Ok, Hate~ Close your eyes. Then repeat, “ I’m a free thinker. My thinking is like that of my fellow Republicans! We represent diversity and acceptance, inclusion, tolerance and openness and, most of all, FREETHINKING”...At the same time you are repeating those words, click your heels together three times! Who knows? You might be able to make it come true !!

    I think it’s cool that you think you and your fellow Republicans are free thinkers...Be careful though...Ted Bundy, Jeffery Dahmer, and John Wayne Gacy, were great freethinkers who broke ranks and refused to conform and be guided by what the majority of the people thought...

    I know how you have railed against the Enlightenment in the past but they were freethinkers who, through the use of their reason and intellect, questioned the prevailing beliefs of that time.

    Be like them, Hate !!!


  41. by HatetheSwamp on April 20, 2023 2:30 pm

    Y'know, isle, bigotry is a way of thinking that can have any target.

    Bigotry includes, among other things, taking the most offensive characteristic of one segment of a large group of people and judging all people in that group by that standard.

    That's what Heather does with GOPs. Teri not so much. But, Heather whose hate speech you all but canonize, definitely.

    I'm not a crazy loyal GOP. Most of my life, I was a Jimmy Carter, Robert Casey I, Joe Lieberman Dem until a few years ago. And, given a resurgence of that thinking, I'd be a Dem again.

    And, generally, it's easy for me to baha baha baha baha bahahahahahahahahahaha, haha hahaha baha, ahhhhhhhhhhh.

    But, not with you. You think in the way that the most disgusting KKK members think about blacks and Nazis think about Jews. For a long time, I tried to convince myself that this was your schtick, that you were joshin.

    Your sincere idolizing of arch bigot Heather convinced me. In the past, I smirked over your bigoted mindset. I didn't think you were serious. But, now, I do.

    No more baha baha bahas from me for you.


  42. by islander on April 20, 2023 2:50 pm

    Warning!

    Warning!

    Warning!

    Deflection alert Warning--- Change the “Free Thinking” subject right away !

    You think Heather is a bigot? 

Apparently you don’t like to learn about American History. Does it make that uncomfortable to see how much influence the past has on the present and how they are interconnected?




  43. by HatetheSwamp on April 21, 2023 4:16 am

    Wow, isle, of course Heather thinks like a bigot...as I have observed many times. That you admire her writing and emulate her proves you think like a bigot, too.

    You get away with it because you do it in the context of political discourse which is naturally contentious.

    Like Heather, you describe all Republicans in exactly...effin EXACTLY...the way Nazis do Jews and the people of the KKK blacks...and, more disgustingly, you do it shamelessly.

    isle. Mitt Romney, Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski, Ben Sasse are Republicans. Heck, Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger are still loyal Republicans...members of the party that is the home of diversity and acceptance, inclusion, tolerance and openness...and truly freedom, freethinking.

    You're too well informed, isle, not to know that. The problem isn't with your head. It's with your heart. Same, clearly, with Heather...

    ...and, here's the irony:

    YOU ARE, PRECISELY, TO THE SWAMP LEFT, WHAT TRUMP IS ON THE RIGHT!!!!!

    You spew hate and you only see the worst in all of your opponents. I tried for years to read you as joshing about hating but no longer.

    I think that Trump is despicable. You? are libTrump. Heather, too.


  44. by islander on April 21, 2023 4:47 am

    Sorry Hate,

    The phony tactics you use dont work for you here. They never have. You forget that what we write on this board stays here.


  45. by HatetheSwamp on April 21, 2023 5:10 am

    You've been busted, isle. As Ezekiel said, all those centuries ago, "Turn from your wicked ways and live."

    In the past, I've admonished you, when you declare your hate against Republicans as a whole group, to ask yourself if your pronouncement is true of Mitt Romney or Liz Cheney.


  46. by islander on April 21, 2023 6:06 am

    Getting back to the topic:

    “The truth matters. Lies have consequences, ”Justin Nelson, a lawyer for Dominion.said outside the courthouse. “Over two years ago, a torrent of lies swept Dominion and election officials across America into an alternative universe of conspiracy theories causing grievous harm to Dominion and the country.”

    and

    The sudden settlement means no high-profile Fox figures — including those who privately expressed concerns about the veracity of claims being made on its shows — will have to testify. The expected witness list had included Fox executives, including Rupert Murdoch, the chairman of Fox Corporation, and the hosts Tucker Carlson, Sean Hannity and Maria Bartiromo.

    Smartmatic filed its nearly 300-page claim against Fox News in Feb. 2021, The Washington Post reports, with allegations that the network had aired more than 100 "false statements and implications" suggesting the company and its technology were complicit in efforts to steal the 2020 election from Trump. Among the figures named in the suit: Then-Fox hosts Maria Bartiromo, Jeanine Pirro, and Lou Dobbs — Dobbs was fired a month after the Jan. 6 Capitol riot — as well as Trump attorneys Rudy Giuliani and Sidney Powell.

    What we are all hoping for is that the Smartmatic suite will not be settled out of court and the Fox executives and the hosts like Tucker Carlson, Sean Hannity and Maria Bartiromo etc. will have to take the stand and testify under oath.


    emptywheel.net
    news.yahoo.com


  47. by HatetheSwamp on April 21, 2023 6:08 am

    As Tonto said, "What you me, 'we' white man!"

    I can't figure out why this even matters to you.


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