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Pope Francis Reverses Pope Benedict

By HatetheSwamp
July 16, 2021 11:01 am
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...to make the church more accessible to the rest of us, not that it will help...

I don't like Big Religion, but I do like this Pope!


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  1. by Curt Anderson on July 16, 2021 11:40 am
    It seems your link to the AP is no longer functional. I found this:
    The decision means that congregations where a priest has been performing a Latin Mass will have to do mass in the community's first language unless they receive permission to do the older Latin Mass.

    I am not sure why that pleases you.
    thehill.com


  2. by islander on July 16, 2021 12:00 pm
    HtS,That you’re happy to see this surprises me since this is not a conservative move but rather quite the opposite. The religious right in this country will be very angry this.

    ROME (AP) — Pope Francis cracked down Friday on the spread of the old Latin Mass, reversing one of Pope Benedict XVI’s signature decisions in a major challenge to traditionalist Catholics who immediately decried it as an attack on them and the ancient liturgy.

    Francis reimposed restrictions on celebrating the Latin Mass that Benedict relaxed in 2007, and went further to limit its use. The pontiff said he was taking action because Benedict’s reform had become a source of division in the church and been exploited by Catholics opposed to the Second Vatican Council, the 1960s meetings that modernized the church and its liturgy.

    Critics said they had never before witnessed a pope so thoroughly reversing his predecessor. That the reversal concerned something so fundamental as the liturgy, while Benedict is still alive and living in the Vatican as a retired pope, only amplified the extraordinary nature of Francis’ move, which will surely result in more right-wing hostility directed at him.
    apnews.com


  3. by HatetheSwamp on July 16, 2021 2:27 pm
    HtS,That you’re happy to see this surprises me since this is not a conservative move but rather quite the opposite. The religious right in this country will be very angry this.

    A term as general "religious right" has an overly broad meaning. The guy who taught me Hebrew said that a word that means everything means nothing.

    Most people who know me wouldn't describe me as being a part of the religious right. I do embrace the most essential core of Christian beliefs but, like this Pope, I think of Christianity as a way of life more than a Creed.

    So, I can groove on this very easily.


  4. by islander on July 16, 2021 4:14 pm
    I think the Christian right has been pretty well defined.

    “The Christian right, or the religious right, are Christian political factions that are characterized by their strong support of socially conservative policies. Christian conservatives seek to influence politics and public policy with their interpretation of the teachings of Christianity.”—Wikipedia

    In this case it would be the Catholic faction of the religious right who would probably be more angered by this as they are still upset and angered by the conclusions of Vatican II.



  5. by HatetheSwamp on July 17, 2021 5:17 am
    isle,

    This is precisely the sort of generalization that bigots embrace.

    So, tell me, James Dobson = Rick Warren = Francis Chan = Jim Wallis.

    My sense of you, isle, is that you're bright. But, when you allow yourself to engage that cauldron of festering hate inside, you can't hold back.

    You slipped up. You led with the ignorance that permits hate to exist.

    Embrace your better side.


  6. by islander on July 17, 2021 5:49 am
    Typical HtS (or pb, or rube, etc.) response when you can no longer support your position in the conversation ! LOL !!!


  7. by HatetheSwamp on July 17, 2021 6:25 am
    Y'know, isle, I lucked out in my first semester of my grad school course work to be able to take a course, taught by a one semester visiting professor, which brilliantly explored the so-called "Evangelical" world with a fine tooth comb, and making a strong case that your notion of a "Religious Right" is, in fact a myth.

    The religious tradition with which I was affiliated for much of my life would easily fit in your Religious Right category, though your wikipedia description of it is a farce.

    The group was organized in 1830. It fought tenaciously for freedom for slaves. Many of its people participated in the Underground Railroad. Many of its young men fought in the Civil War. Quite a few died. Those deaths were celebrated by our people because they represented lives spent in a quest for righteousness and justice.

    As early as the 1830s and 1840s, we were advocating for equal rights for women.


    I noticed that you chose to comment on my challenge to your convenient generalization of the Religious Right with my:

    James Dobson = Rick Warren = Francis Chan = Jim Wallis spectrum.

    All of these people are identified, in the Wikipedia world as Evangelicals, part of the Religious Right. Leaders, in your wikipedia world, of the religious right.

    So, what say ye?

    How does wikipedia, how do YOU?, fit your over-generalization into the reality of the vibrant diversity of the, uh, bahahahaha, Religous Right?

    Speak, man!

    I'll repeat what my Hebrew prof said: A word that means everything means nothing.


  8. by islander on July 17, 2021 8:29 am
    Go to this site HtS. It will help you to have a better understanding of the religious right.

    "In the United States, the religious right is a political movement, prominent since the 1970s, that advocates social and political conservatism.
    Its agenda often includes attempts to restore prayer in public schools, to invalidate abortion on demand, and to prohibit state recognition of same-sex marriage. Although these issues often appeal to fundamentalists of other religions (including conservative Roman Catholics), most of the recent leaders of this movement have been evangelical Christians.
    As for the First Amendment, members of the religious right, while often celebrating the political and religious freedoms guaranteed by the amendment, also criticize those who interpret the amendment as providing absolute separation of church and state. Similarly, they often reject liberal interpretations of the amendment or other constitutional provisions that they think are responsible for undermining traditional moral values." *

    *excerpt from article




    mtsu.edu


  9. by HatetheSwamp on July 20, 2021 4:57 am
    So, isle, this just proves that you can link to articles containing misinformation...or is it DISinformation?

    Watch out, or Biden may accuse Curt of killing people!

    There's no doubt that many share your generalized bigoted view of Christians who function outside of the woke mainstream.

    But, at this point all you're doing is the equivalent of repeating hate laced KKK rants against "nigras."


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