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Jury in Georgia Trump Inquiry Recommended Multiple Indictments, Forewoman Says
By HatetheSwamp
February 21, 2023 12:08 pm
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She would not discuss specific indictments in the special grand jury’s report but noted that its recommendations are “not going to be some giant plot twist.”


Asked whether the jurors had recommended indicting Mr. Trump, Ms. Kohrs gave a cryptic answer: “You’re not going to be shocked. It’s not rocket science,” adding “you won’t be too surprised.”

“I will tell you that if the judge releases the recommendations, it is not going to be some giant plot twist,” she added. “You probably have a fair idea of what may be in there. I’m trying very hard to say that delicately.”

Special grand juries in Georgia do not have indictment powers; the ultimate charging decisions will be up to Fani T. Willis, the district attorney of Fulton County, Ga., who has led the investigation.


Sort of cryptic...

You know that old saying about indicting a ham sandwich.


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  1. by Curt_Anderson on February 21, 2023 12:41 pm
    A ham sandwich wouldn't put pressure on the Georgia secretary of state to "find" 11,780 votes. That along with the fake electors scheme seems like a clear cut case of election tampering on a federal and state level.

    As for perjury those potential defendants who don't want their crimes revealed are more likely to lie in court than the witnesses to the crimes.

    So, yeah, I don't expect any surprise indictments. I didn't buy Trump's claim a couple of weeks ago that the Georgia grand jury "completely exonerated" him.


  2. by oldedude on February 22, 2023 6:46 am
    I'm still wondering where "tampering" comes from. I understand he filed lawsuits regarding the election. But that isn't tampering. The lawsuit was against tampering. It's his legal right to do that. Do I agree with it? No. But it's his right as much as it was Stacey Abrams' right to keep holding on to the race being rigged.

    52 U.S. Code § 20511 - Criminal penalties

    A person, including an election official, who in any election for Federal office—

    (1)knowingly and willfully intimidates, threatens, or coerces, or attempts to intimidate, threaten, or coerce, any person for—

    (A)registering to vote, or voting, or attempting to register or vote;
    (B)urging or aiding any person to register to vote, to vote, or to attempt to register or vote; or

    (C)exercising any right under this chapter; or

    (2)knowingly and willfully deprives, defrauds, or attempts to deprive or defraud the residents of a State of a fair and impartially conducted election process, by—
    (A)the procurement or submission of voter registration applications that are known by the person to be materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent under the laws of the State in which the election is held; or

    (B)the procurement, casting, or tabulation of ballots that are known by the person to be materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent under the laws of the State in which the election is held,

    shall be fined in accordance with title 18 (which fines shall be paid into the general fund of the Treasury, miscellaneous receipts (pursuant to section 3302 of title 31), notwithstanding any other law), or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.
    (Pub. L. 103–31, § 12, May 20, 1993, 107 Stat. 88.)

    law.cornell.edu


  3. by HatetheSwamp on February 22, 2023 7:03 am

    Lots of questions, OD.

    You can tell TDSers. They're already have Trump behind bars, wearing stripes.


  4. by islander on February 22, 2023 7:12 am

    "I'm still wondering where "tampering" comes from."

    I've often wondered about that too.

    😀 Smiley said it's an English word that means interfere with (something) in order to cause damage or make unauthorized alterations

    😀 Smiley gave me this example, President Donald Trump may have broken a U.S. federal law and a Georgia law against election tampering by pressuring the state’s top election official to “find” enough votes to overturn his loss to President-elect Joe Biden in the state, according to some legal experts.



  5. by Ponderer on February 22, 2023 7:46 am

    Still praying that Trump will get off on some technicality or something I see.

    Your love and devotion for your Mango Messiah is as strong as ever, Bill. No matter what crimes he commits and is caught red handed committing.



  6. by Ponderer on February 22, 2023 7:51 am

    "I'm still wondering where "tampering" comes from."" -olde dude

    od, having heard the recording of that phone call, do you actually believe that a crime was not only committed by Trump, but was recorded in the act of committing it?


    olde dude, do you actually believe that there was nothing whatsoever illegal about anything Trump said in that phone call?

    Really???

    Seriously???






  7. by oldedude on February 22, 2023 7:53 am
    Tell me the paragraph(s) that violated and why. Period. No I "feel", no I "think,"

    I gave you the reference you don't even have to look up.


  8. by islander on February 22, 2023 8:20 am

    od wrote: ”Tell me the paragraph(s) that violated and why. Period. No I "feel", no I "think”

    Let me dissect this for you od. Better yet, I’ll let 😀 Smiley do it for you. You’ll thank him for helping you.

    You wrote: ” Tell me the paragraph(s) that violated and why. Period.” <--- No need to write out the word “period” at the end of a sentence, every one can see that you put the punctuation mark there (the little dot at the end of your sentence). This will save you time when posting.

    You wrote; No I "feel", no I "think,"

    od ~ The proper English for describing what you do or don’t do would be: I don’t feel and I don’t think!



  9. by Ponderer on February 22, 2023 8:22 am

    od, Trump literally requested that Raffensperger "find" him 11,780 votes. He even went on to threaten him with the possibility of being sued if he didn't. He was blatantly trying to enlist Raffensperger in helping him steal the election by committing election fraud.

    That's perfectly legal and cool in your book? You see no laws at all being broken there?

    So committing blatant election fraud by attempting to corrupt a government official into helping you is perfectly okay as long as you word it in the right way??? And you think that you found the only law that applies to this situation?

    Again, are you serious?


    2016 Georgia Code
    Title 21 - Elections
    Chapter 2 - Elections and Primaries Generally
    Article 15 - Miscellaneous Offenses
    § 21-2-604. Criminal solicitation to commit election fraud; penalties


    Universal Citation: GA Code § 21-2-604 (2016)

    (a) (1) A person commits the offense of criminal solicitation to commit election fraud in the first degree when, with intent that another person engage in conduct constituting a felony under this article, he or she solicits, requests, commands, importunes, or otherwise attempts to cause the other person to engage in such conduct.

    (2) A person commits the offense of criminal solicitation to commit election fraud in the second degree when, with intent that another person engage in conduct constituting a misdemeanor under this article, he or she solicits, requests, commands, importunes, or otherwise attempts to cause the other person to engage in such conduct.

    (b) (1) A person convicted of the offense of criminal solicitation to commit election fraud in the first degree shall be punished by imprisonment for not less than one nor more than three years.

    (2) A person convicted of the offense of criminal solicitation to commit election fraud in the second degree shall be punished as for a misdemeanor.

    (c) It is no defense to a prosecution for criminal solicitation to commit election fraud that the person solicited could not be guilty of the crime solicited.

    (d) The provisions of subsections (a) through (c) of this Code section are cumulative and shall not supersede any other penal law of this state.


    -and/or-


    2010 Georgia Code
    TITLE 16 - CRIMES AND OFFENSES
    CHAPTER 4 - CRIMINAL ATTEMPT, CONSPIRACY, AND SOLICITATION
    § 16-4-7 - Criminal solicitation


    O.C.G.A. 16-4-7 (2010)
    16-4-7. Criminal solicitation

    (a) A person commits the offense of criminal solicitation when, with intent that another person engage in conduct constituting a felony, he solicits, requests, commands, importunes, or otherwise attempts to cause the other person to engage in such conduct.

    (b) A person convicted of the offense of criminal solicitation to commit a felony shall be punished by imprisonment for not less than one nor more than three years. A person convicted of the offense of criminal solicitation to commit a crime punishable by death or by life imprisonment shall be punished by imprisonment for not less than one nor more than five years.

    (c) It is no defense to a prosecution for criminal solicitation that the person solicited could not be guilty of the crime solicited.

    (d) The provisions of subsections (a) through (c) of this Code section are cumulative and shall not supersede any other penal law of this state.


    Give it up, od. They got him dead to rights.



  10. by Curt_Anderson on February 22, 2023 9:54 am
    Trump apparently thinks the grand jury thinks he is guilty of tampering.

    “This Georgia case is ridiculous, a strictly political continuation of the greatest Witch Hunt of all time. Now you have an extremely energetic young woman, the (get this!) “foreperson” of the Racist D.A.’s Special Grand Jury, going around and doing a Media Tour revealing, incredibly, the Grand Jury’s inner workings & thoughts. This is not JUSTICE, this is an illegal Kangaroo Court,” he insisted.

    Mr Trump then continued: “Atlanta is leading the Nation in Murder and other Violent Crimes. All I did is make TWO PERFECT PHONE CALLS!!!” Atlanta’s murder rate was actually ranked 22nd out of all major US cities at the beginning of last year.
    news.yahoo.com


  11. by Ponderer on February 22, 2023 10:03 am

    I love how absolutely oblivious he is to how guilty the phrase "perfect phone call" makes him look.

    Perfect how, Donny? Perfect in that you believe you committed a crime on that call without uttering a single word of self-incriminating verbiage coming from your felonious mug...?

    Yeah no. If that's it, it was by no means a "perfect" call.


  12. by HatetheSwamp on February 22, 2023 10:07 am

    po,

    I don't have your experience as a prosecutor but I'm not sure that there's an actual crime that OrangeMan can be CONVICTED of.


  13. by Curt_Anderson on February 22, 2023 10:21 am
    Ponderer, not only is he oblivious to his own self-incrimination with his "perfect phone call" remark, but it's hilarious that he assumes that the jury thinks he's he's guilty. Ms. Kohr's merely said nobody will be surprised at who gets indicted. She never said Trump was to be indicted. Trump's guilty conscious is why he knows he is facing indictment.

    He doth protest his innocence too much.


  14. by Ponderer on February 22, 2023 10:25 am

    BINGO, Curt.

    The only people I know of who are more oblivious than Trump are Hate and od.


  15. by HatetheSwamp on February 22, 2023 11:11 am

    Georgia Grand Jury Foreperson Goes On Wacky Press Tour


    What an attention wh*re.

    Before I'd start arranging my unhatched eggs, TDSers. Maybe you might want to take a deep breath.


  16. by Curt_Anderson on February 22, 2023 11:35 am
    HtS, you might be assuming too much. Maybe they will be indicting Brad Raffensperger and Gov. Kemp for ignoring presidential orders. Maybe Brad Raffensperger is in deep doo-doo for recording the president's phone call without permission.

    Just because Trump acts guilty doesn't mean he is guilty. But if worse comes to worse, the good news for you, is that Trump can still run for president while he is in prison. Eugene V. Debs did it.



  17. by HatetheSwamp on February 22, 2023 11:38 am

    Curt,

    pb has no idea what to expect from the Grand Jury. One symptom of TDS is an profound yearning to see Trump suffer. pb has no such yearning. Only an open mind.


  18. by Curt_Anderson on February 22, 2023 11:51 am
    "One symptom of TDS is an profound yearning to see Trump suffer. pb has no such yearning. Only an open mind." --HtS

    You are soft on crime. What you call suffering I call facing justice. I don't deny that I enjoy the idea of Trump squirming. It's part of the process. The court system wasn't designed for the comfort of the defendants.


  19. by Ponderer on February 22, 2023 12:00 pm

    "pb has no idea what to expect from the Grand Jury." -Hate


    TRANSLATION:

    pb hasn't been told by Fox News exactly what to expect from the Grand Jury so that he can faithfully and brainlessly regurgitate it to you here yet.



  20. by oldedude on February 22, 2023 4:45 pm
    (a) A person commits the offense of criminal solicitation when, with intent that another person engage in conduct constituting a felony, he solicits, requests, commands, importunes, or otherwise attempts to cause the other person to engage in such conduct.

    What person did he solicit? The President of Ukraine said NO HE DIDN'T.

    Also, if you indict Trump, Then you MUST indict pedojoe, who ADMITTED TO HOLDING CONGRESSIONALLY MANDATED FUNDS FROM THE UKRAINIANS. We've covered this before. Don't tell me you don't remember, because I'm sick of you feigning stupidity. Come to think of it you might not be feigning.

    It is illegal to withhold the funds from congressionally mandated money in the terms agreed upon when the bill was passed. He had no right to withhold the funds until a personal request was made.


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