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When voter suppressionists say the quiet part out loud.
By Curt Anderson
July 14, 2021 12:05 pm
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[Former] Florida Republican Party chairman Jim Greer claimed his party was indeed trying to limit early voting to suppress Democratic votes. “It’s done for one reason and one reason only,” Greer told the Palm Beach Post, before saying that Republicans essentially believed, “we’ve got to cut down on early voting because early voting is not good for us.”

In 2012, then-Pennsylvania state House Majority Leader Mike Turzai (R) hailed the passage of Voter ID in his state and suggested it would be a boon to the GOP presidential nominee, Mitt Romney.

“Voter ID, which is going to allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania: Done,” Turzai said while recounting his state party’s accomplishments.

After Romney lost the state, the state’s Republican Party chairman still said Voter ID helped.

“We probably had a better election,” the chairman, Robert Gleason, said. “Think about this: We cut [Barack] Obama by 5 percent, which was big. A lot of people lost sight of that. He beat [John] McCain by 10 percent; he only beat Romney by 5 percent. And I think that probably photo ID helped a bit in that.”

Rep. Glenn Grothman (R-Wis.) offered similar comments during the 2016 presidential election.

“I think Hillary Clinton is about the weakest candidate the Democrats have ever put up,” Grothman said, adding: “And now we have photo ID, and I think photo ID is going to make a little bit of a difference as well.”

In 2020 Trump opposed expanded mail-in balloting. He said such a thing would lead to “levels of voting that, if you ever agreed to it, you’d never have a Republican elected in this country again.”

Georgia House Speaker David Ralston (R) said the expanded mail balloting in his state “will be extremely devastating to Republicans and conservatives.”

“If Republicans don’t challenge and change the U.S. election system, there will never be another Republican president elected again,” Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) said on Fox News on Nov. 8.

Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) said much the same on Fox on Nov. 30: “If we accept this universal mail-out balloting to people who didn’t even request ballots, I don’t think Republicans will ever win another national election again.”

A candidate for Arizona secretary of state, Mark Finchem, sending a fundraising email saying, “I will protect the elections from the Steal and make sure that Arizona is the Red State it REALLY is!”

Perhaps needless to say, those who oversee elections like a secretary of state shouldn’t say their goal is to make sure one party or another wins.

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  1. by HatetheSwamp on July 14, 2021 1:26 pm
    Wow, Curt. I feel like I just read an article from The WEEKLY WORLD NEWS

    Re: “If Republicans don’t challenge and change the U.S. election system, there will never be another Republican president elected again,” Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) said on Fox News on Nov. 8.

    Well, now ain't that just the point! Those smoke filled room handlers of that demented, doddering old fart had just stolen the election. That's precisely what these new election integrity laws are about!

    Much of what you have here is lone wolf GOPs claiming that GOPs have limited voting, and not necessarily suppressing votes. You don't have much, if any at all, evidence that anything illegal, or even untoward, was done.

    And, please understand. Much of limiting Dem voting is synonymous with stopping the Dems from cheating.

    But, I'll repeat what I've said. I'm as opposed to GOP cheating as I am opposed to Dems cheating. I'm as opposed to GOPs suppressing votes as I am to Dems casting illegal votes through their various forms of electoral chicanery.

    I don't know that you've made similar statements.

  2. by Curt Anderson on July 14, 2021 2:18 pm
    Right back at you...
    You don't have any evidence other than your fertile imagination that these smoke-filled rooms exist much less that are they cheating and stealing elections for Democrats.

    It's semantics to claim that Republicans only want to "limit" the vote, not suppress it. If the GOP voting laws have their desired effect, the voters who had their votes "limited" so they were unable to vote, their votes were suppressed.

    Of course, by definition the "voter integrity" laws passed by Republicans are not illegal.

    As for election chicanery, I am only aware of widespread fraud by Republicans. The best known case being the one in North Carolina a few years ago in a congressional race. See 1st link.

    After much fanfare at its formation, Trump's commission did not find widespread voter fraud. They might have had success had they focused on Republicans. See 2nd link.

  3. by HatetheSwamp on July 14, 2021 2:37 pm

    I think there's lots of evidence. For one, election integrity laws work. Nearly everywhere the possibility that Dems can practice Vote Early and Vote Often is reduced, Dem votes decline.

    Then, there's your Lindsay Graham quote and there was a Trump quote that, I believe, was similar. The 020 COVID loosening of election procedures opened doors and Dems drove a whole convoy of trucks through them. And, that demented, doddering old fart received millions more "votes" than any candidate ever has.

    When election integrity is not assured, the number of Dem votes increase mysteriously.

    Happens all the time. Exactly as it did in 020.

  4. by Donna on July 14, 2021 3:04 pm
    At the 1980 Republican convention, Paul Weyrich said "we don't want more people to vote" and explained that their chances of winning decrease when more people vote. I occasionally used his quote as a tagline in the old forum.

    And he was right. But that's because more Americans are either Democrats or lean towards Democrats. The problem for Democrats, though, is that too many of them don't vote. When you make it easy for them to vote, though, they do.

    That's why the Republican Party will never change the voting day from Tuesday to the weekend; it's why in some states they got rid early Sunday voting which has been a tradition for decades in Black areas; it's why they're opposed to mail-in voting. It has nothing to do with cheating. Republican voters are just as able to cheat as Democrats, and I'm sure they do, but there's no evidence that suggests that cheating is widespread on either side.

  5. by oldedude on July 14, 2021 9:29 pm
    It's interesting how many people argue this and have no clue what the laws actually say. They totter on believing anything their media tells them to believe.
    The TX law actually extends times to vote (with the exception of the Houston area, where they were open the last election for 24 hours, which is a violation of TX law). This law leaves the polls open 1 hour longer for more days. It also says you can't harvest ballots. Oh, and you can't throw poll watchers out of the room, and in large areas the poll watchers have to have accessible video to the entire room. And, you can't use a tent to collect votes. And it's a felony to count a ballot more than once. IF the dims stay in DC like whiny little bitches, the law goes back to the original law before the COVID access the dims were bitching about.

  6. by Curt Anderson on July 14, 2021 10:22 pm
    Thank you for your take on the issue.
    1. Poll watchers?! How close and prying? I prefer to keep my vote confidential without somebody over my shoulder.
    2. What's wrong with tents? Harris county (Houston) had drive-thru polling places were mostly set up under large tents. Voters remained in their cars and showed a photo ID and verified their registration before casting ballots on portable voting machines.
    3. The Texas voting window would be 6 a.m. to 10 p.m. or maybe 9 p.m. I presume that's for drop box voting. In Oregon the drop boxes are open 24/7. What's the point in the limit? If person works a late or swing shift after 10pm might be the most convenient.
    4. What is the big worry about "ballot harvesting"? In Texas a person cannot take an invalid neighbor's absentee ballot to the mail box or drop box?

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