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The DOJ’s Jack Smith has already concluded that Trump committed a crime…
By Curt_Anderson
February 15, 2023 9:05 am
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… the next step is for Trump to be charged. The crime fraud exception is used only in situations where the prosecutor has solid evidence that a crime occurred. This gives us a good idea of Jack Smith’s thinking as to whether or not Donald Trump committed a crime. Also, yesterday, Donald Trump wrote an unhinged response, on his TruthSocial website that was both defensive and self incriminating.

(ABC)Justice Department investigators probing former President Donald Trump's handling of classified documents after leaving office have asked a judge to overrule attorney-client privilege and compel one of Trump's attorneys to appear before a grand jury, multiple sources have confirmed to ABC News.

The DOJ is making the request on the basis of the crime-fraud exception, sources said, which allows for attorney-client privilege to be suspended in cases where it is suspected that legal services were rendered in the commission of a crime.


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  1. by HatetheSwamp on February 15, 2023 9:09 am

    That, of course spices things up. But, Cury, you do know that, in this nation in which citizens are protected by a Bill of Rights, a prosecutor's opinion that a suspect can be charged doesn't make that person guilty before a jury of their peers.

    Right?


  2. by Curt_Anderson on February 15, 2023 9:13 am
    Here it is with Trump posted on his TruthSocial website yesterday:
    “Many of the so-called ‘documents’ that the ‘Gestapo’ took in the Raid of Mar-a-Lago, unlike the ‘No Raids of Biden,’ were merely inexpensive and very common folders with words such as ‘Presidential Reading,’ ‘Confidential,’ ‘Classified,’ or other words stamped on the front cover,” the former president wrote on his Truth Social platform. He went on to explain that, unlike the classified documents they contained, the folders were left behind at the end of meetings. “I would put them in a pile and keep them as momentous,” Trump added, presumably meaning ‘mementos.’ “Nothing wrong with that, but sounds to me that the Injustice Department views these as DOCUMENTS - They are not!”


  3. by Ponderer on February 15, 2023 9:19 am

    "Those classified documents the FBI took weren't the documents they were looking for..."


  4. by HatetheSwamp on February 15, 2023 9:24 am

    Wow. You're on Truth Social, too? Hey! Why don't we follow each other? Bahahahahahahahahahaha.

    Except that I'm amused, not by the fact that Trump is merely charged but that there are reports that that he'll be merely charged. Keeheeheeheeheeheeheehee. Jonathan Turley, who knows his stuff, has been predicting this for a long time.


  5. by HatetheSwamp on February 15, 2023 9:31 am

    Gang,

    I doubt that Rachel reported it but Clouseau mumbled recently about having swiped Top Secret Classified Documents from as far back as 1974.

    Once there's a charge against Trump, the odds increase that there'll be charges, related to the documents themselves...apart from Crime Family content...that "that feckless dementia-ridden piece of crap" stole and held on to for about five decades.


  6. by Curt_Anderson on February 15, 2023 10:00 am
    HtS,
    With the exception of you and maybe one other, most of us here have long known Trump is guilty of multiple crimes and should be charged. The DOJ’s latest actions are an indication that they are close to the end of their Mar a Lago documents investigation and ready for the prosecution stage.

    Even despicable defendants deserve a competent legal defense. I hope that Trump does have competent defense attorneys. And I hope Trump’s defense attorneys have competent defense attorneys.


  7. by HatetheSwamp on February 15, 2023 10:09 am

    Curt,

    My advice is that you not count your TDS eggs before they're hatched.

    I'll remind you of pb's mantra: Trump's too slimy to be caught.

    pb's been right so far.


  8. by Curt_Anderson on February 15, 2023 10:42 am
    Trump already is caught. Some of my friends are impatient and want to see Trump in an orange jumpsuit yesterday. I can wait until this movie ends.

    I enjoy Trump struggling in the web of his own making. I am happy to see Trump squirm as the process slowly moves toward convictions. I like seeing Trump having to be a hypocrite and humiliate himself by taking the Fifth hundreds of times. I like knowing that Trump is paying a fortune for an army of lawyers--and not the best lawyers at that. I don't care how well he compartmentalizes, it has to be unnerving and insomnia-causing to be facing that much legal jeopardy. It must be embarrassing for Trump. It certainly weakens him as a candidate. Nikky Haley and Mike Pence have already decided that he's wounded politically and smell blood. I am happy that Trump has written his own place of dishonor in history books.

    Frankly, I will be surprised if Trump ever is behind bars, so I relish his discomfort in his present situation.


  9. by HatetheSwamp on February 15, 2023 10:58 am

    Trump is despicable. But, you may remember indy saying that former Presidents are never busted. He also said the same thing about rich white men.

    All of that is still true.


  10. by Curt_Anderson on February 15, 2023 11:07 am
    That's why I don't expect to see him behind bars. Our penal system wasn't designed to accommodate ex-presidents. Simply being accused in court and a convicted criminal is a punishment in itself, especially for a guy who craves admiration and respect. I embrace the schadenfreude and Trump's comeuppance. I also enjoy seeing Trump's former supporters slowly slinking away.


  11. by Ponderer on February 15, 2023 11:22 am

    I have been saying for several years here now that if Joe Biden and/or his son have committed any crimes, they should be indicted, tried, and convicted if guilty. I have never made any distinction over anyone who commits criminal behavior based on their political affiliations. I want to see justice done and anyone who has committed any crime should be held accountable for it and serve time.

    Meanwhile, Hate here has made it perfectly clear that Trump eventually getting away with any of a number of crimes he has ever committed couldn't make him happier. He acts absolutely gleeful at the idea that Trump may get away with his well documented crimes, simply because of how pissed off he thinks it will make the Libs feel. That is how deeply his sense of justice goes. To him, justice is nothing more than his side winning and everyone else losing.

    To Hate, Republicans getting away with felonies or giving the Rule of Law the finger while Dems are wantonly accused of and declared guilty of any baseless, pig-ignorantly asinine conspiracy theory that spurts out of Breitbart's ass is his idea of "Justice" apparently.

    You are a disgusting excuse for an American, Bill.





  12. by HatetheSwamp on February 15, 2023 11:27 am

    Trump is despicable.


  13. by islander on February 15, 2023 11:59 am

    "I also enjoy seeing Trump's former supporters slowly slinking away." ~ Curt

    That's one of the most satisfying aspects of this saga of Trump's self destruction.


  14. by Ponderer on February 15, 2023 12:00 pm

    "That's why I don't expect to see him behind bars." -Curt

    You may well be right, Curt. Our justice system has always favored the rich, powerful, and famous. It would be astoundingly uncharacteristic of our justice system to put him behind actual bars for his crimes.

    But I think that a fair sentence for him would be to be sentenced to serve whatever amount of time he is sentenced to for his crimes under house arrest in Mara Lago.

    Hear me out...

    • Ankle bracelet. Obviously.

    • Closed circuit, 24/7 video monitoring in every room of the place by 'round the clock guards.

    • He isn't allowed to ever leave the premises unless it's for medical reasons and under heavy guard.

    • ALL phone calls he receives or makes are monitored and recorded.

    • All staff running the place would be employees of the federal or Florida state prison system, whichever is applicable.

    • The food he is served would be exactly the same as what prisoners in the nearest correctional facility are fed. But it could be microwaved in the Mara Lago kitchen by the guards if he chooses.

    • Limited to visits only by his lawyers and one or two family members per day and also under strict and intense monitoring.

    • Extremely limited or even no access to social media and the internet, but all the Fox news he wants to watch on TV. (Personally, I think him doing a daily blog about the heinous treatment he is receiving would make for hilarious entertainment).


    And as much as MAGA Hats like Hate would squeal bloody murder, their accusations of "cruel and unusual punishment" would be totally laughable on their face. It's hard to imagine a more just punishment for him that he might ever be likely to get.

    Granted, I couldn't think of anything Trump would likely find more cruel and objectionable than to be imprisoned in his own castle, roaming its halls alone to echos of his own footsteps, unable to come and go as he pleased, no longer the Master of his despicable, sad and sorry life.



  15. by HatetheSwamp on February 15, 2023 12:14 pm

    And as much as MAGA Hats like Hate would squeal bloody murder, their accusations of "cruel and unusual punishment" would be totally laughable on their face. It's hard to imagine a more just punishment for him that he might ever be likely to get.

    Bahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahaha hoohoohoohoohoohoohoo heeheeheeheeheeheehee hahahahahahahahaha hoohoohoohoohoohoohoo heeheeheeheeheeheehee hoohoohoohoohoohoohoo heeheeheeheeheeheehee hahahahahahahahaha hoohoohoohoohoohoohoo heeheeheeheeheeheehee hahahahahahahahaha, ahhhhhhhhhhh.

    Thanks for that, po. You're a hoot. I'd expect nuthin less from you, nor more! Keeheeheeheeheeheeheehee, ha, ahhhhhhhhhhh!

    pb supports Ron DeSantis for President. But, he's unsure. He guesses that the slap on the wrist Trump might receive at most, might actually bolster his street cred with the people who'll vote in November 024.


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