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The Hill: The new red wave is already here
By HatetheSwamp
February 13, 2023 4:19 am
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Recent U.S. Census data underscore a grim reality for the biggest blue states: More people are leaving states such as California, New York and Illinois than moving to them.

The exodus is real: California lost nearly 350,000 residents in 2022, while New York lost about 300,000 and Illinois saw more than 140,000 go elsewhere, per Census numbers. Other states, including New Jersey (-64,231), Massachusetts (-57,292) and Pennsylvania (-39,957), also saw large numbers of residents say goodbye.

But other states, such as Florida and Texas, saw large gains in population, with Florida adding an eye-popping 444,484 residents and Texas adding 470,708. Other population winners include North Carolina (99,796 residents added), South Carolina (+84,030), Tennessee (+81,646) and Georgia (+81,406).

Not coincidentally, all these southern states except North Carolina have Republican governors, while California, New York, Illinois, New Jersey, Massachusetts and Pennsylvania have Democratic governors.

For the second straight year, we're winterizing in South Carolina. It's crazy here. Housing is being built everywhere and the value of existing property is skyrocketing.

What we love here is the red state ethos.

In most of these states, the recipe for the exodus has three primary ingredients:

(1) Taxes. Californians’ earnings are taxed at 13.3 percent. Residents of New Jersey and New York see their earnings taxed at 10.75 percent and 8.82 percent, respectively. But if you live in Florida or Texas or Tennessee, your income is taxed at 0.0 percent.

(2) Crime: Things are so bad in progressive San Francisco that it fired its district attorney last year. New York saw a record 4,500-plus police officers resign as violent crime rose 22 percent from the year before. And Mayor Lori Lightfoot is in serious jeopardy of losing her reelection bid in Chicago, with 71 percent of voters saying that the city is headed in the wrong direction, according to one poll. Crime is the major reason why.

(3) Traffic. According to a study by U.S. News and World Report, the most congested cities in the country with the worst commutes are as follows: Boston, Chicago, Philadelphia, New York, Washington, D.C., Los Angeles and San Francisco.

Donna, in particular, looooooooooves to claim that progressive Swamp ways are popular with people. pb'll say: With SOME people.

And, it's the people who don't love progressive ways who are voting with their feet. For a while, GOPs were worrying that blue people would move to their states and ruin what they'd built but that's not what's happening. Except for pt and po, anyway...and they moved purple, not red.

Blue areas are getting bluer. Two groups are staying in blue states. One is the poor who live off the government teat. T'other? Limousine Libs like Curt and isle. People who claim to think that, in the era of the Civil Rights movement, high schools' African American history classes really should be focusing on Black Queer Theory.

And, thankfully, red states are becoming bright crimson. Woke values are being driven from schools and LGBT grooming in public spaces is being banned. Yeeeeeeehaa!

Wait until the 2030 census.

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  1. by oldedude on February 13, 2023 5:54 am
    Being one that moved from a CA wannabe, I'd like to address what you said. This is my perspective, and where appropriate, I'll add what I have seen and heard also. My apologies to po, for having to read (or not) my explanation for each piece.

    (1) Taxes.
    In fairness, our sales tax is high. Obviously, we are not taxed on food, etc. We also have two weeks each year that are not taxed on certain items related to hurricane survival. Batteries, pet food, emergency radios, sand bags, etc.

    Many of the highways are toll. Because I use them and the road taxes are low, I'm happy to pay for their use. These roads are excellent also (bonus). FYSA, the Gov had an excess in road funds and instead of finding pork to waste it on, he lowered the tolls by about 40%.

    (2) Crime: I've talked about this several times. Do we have crime? Yes. There's a lot of domestics that are either meth or opioid related. It's well known that people have a legal right to ensure the safety and security of their homes and family. I am more careful than the law says I have to be. I am not in a residential area though and the possibility of drunks trying to get in my house are not probable. Do I conceal carry? at times.

    (3) Traffic. This state is growing exponentially and there are some growing pains. I talked about the toll system, which are some of the best highways I've ever seen. Obviously, the metro areas are a pain (relatively), but that's to be expected. It's definitely NOT DC, or even Denver traffic.

    The main issue that I've seen and heard from locals is that people moving here still claim they are from the place they came from (NY, CA, CO, NJ, TX, etc). I consider myself from FL. I gave up my CO "citizenship" willingly to move here. I'm happy I did.

  2. by Donna on February 13, 2023 8:33 am

    Democrats are still voting Democrat, though, Hts. Arizona's trend towards blueness is probably at least partly attributable to CA expats like Sheri and I.

  3. by HatetheSwamp on February 13, 2023 9:04 am

    If Doug Ducey runs for Senate in 024, you'll have a GOP Senator for sure.

    My sense is that the Arizona GOPs have MAGA disease. If they ever find a cure, my guess is that they'll be fine.

  4. by Curt_Anderson on February 13, 2023 10:55 am
    If Ruben Gallego runs and makes it a three-way contest then Doug Ducey or a normal Republican will probably win. If "Gov." Kari Lake runs the election calculation changes.

  5. by oldedude on February 13, 2023 1:24 pm
    "Democrats are still voting Democrat, though"

    I would say that with white voters, that's true. Latino, Asian, and Black voters are shifting to GOP at different rates in different places. That shows also with the GOP running many more latino and black candidates. Miami and Tampa were taken by the GOP. These have been dim for decades. You're also seeing the displeasure with dims ruining small businesses, which immigrants have come to the US to make a better life for their children. Others share the GOP stances on non- woke platforms. The Muslims, Latinos, and Asians are particularly looking at that. In a couple of states and school districts, the Christian right and the Muslims have banded together to fight the wokeness.

  6. by Donna on February 13, 2023 4:34 pm

    The bbc article didn't mention "wokeness" as a reason - it mentioned immigration and abortion.

  7. by oldedude on February 13, 2023 6:32 pm
    "Muslim, Christian parents sue Ohio school board over transgender bathroom and locker room policies"

    "LGBT school lessons protests spread nationwide"

    and just for shts and giggles...

    "Minnesota Poised To Ban Christians, Muslims, And Jews From Teaching In Public Schools"

  8. by oldedude on February 13, 2023 6:33 pm
    Lead and I had an in-depth discussion about this...

  9. by HatetheSwamp on February 14, 2023 3:02 am

    Sheeeeeeeeeeeesh, OD! Good find!

    "Minnesota will soon ban faithful Christians, Muslims, and Jews from teaching in public schools by requiring that every state-certified teacher “fosters an environment that ensures student identities such as … gender identity … are … affirmed.” Once the new requirements clear a final procedural hurdle, they will be immediately challenged in state and possibly federal court, a civil liberties lawyer told The Federalist on Tuesday."

    "Lead" can't wait for this to get to the Supreme Court where our Biden-nominated Justice doesn't even know what a woman is. Dang, progressives are so smart!

    What I think Minnesota should do instead is require prospective educators to write a 5-7 page book report summarizing the book, Nineteen Eighty-Four.

    This is embarrassing. It'd be reassuring to see our progressive SwampLovers denounce this.

  10. by Donna on February 14, 2023 6:44 am

    It's wrong for schools to legitimize people like Sheri and I?

  11. by HatetheSwamp on February 14, 2023 7:10 am

    It's wrong for schools to legitimize people like Sheri and I?

    Huh. No.

    Hyperbolizing, eh?

  12. by Donna on February 14, 2023 8:42 am

    I'm not hyperbolizing at all. Those people are up in arms over books that show same sex parents and transpeople as if kids should be shielded from the mere sight of us.

  13. by islander on February 14, 2023 8:49 am

    Getting back to 'the new red wave' LoL

    "The US Census Bureau currently has Maine as the seventh fastest-growing state in America, and the fastest in New England. Idaho, Montana, Arizona, Delaware, and Florida are ahead of the Pine Tree State. New Hampshire is right behind Maine."

    I kinda hate to see this happening, but then, I can't really say anything since I'm one of those people From Away who has discovered one of our countries best kept secrets, which accounts for Maine's motto, "Maine, The Way Life Should Be"!!

    However...😀 Smiley can tell you the other side of the story and he can explain why people should stay away from Maine! It can sometimes get cold here in the winter. There are no nightclubs or discos, or even a single traffic light in our town, which means you might have to sit at home by the fire on some winter evenings, warm and cozy with a hot toddy and a good book while occasionally gazing out the window at the gently falling snow.👎

    And of course, as you can see, stylish fashion is not very big up here, most people dress and look like 😀 Smiley whenever they are out and about!

    So remember...Tell people not to come to Maine! Tell them to join the red wave and go to Florida instead !!! 😁

  14. by Donna on February 14, 2023 9:12 am

    Is that you islander?

    I'm sure that Maine has a lot going for it, but it's way too cold for me.

    I grew up outside of Baltimore where they often get very nasty winters. I also know lots of fellow Baltimoreans who've retired in Florida, or as Baltimoreans say, Flarda.

    I've always been attracted to the southwest where if you want to be in subfreezing weather and snow, it's just an hour's drive to the mountains, which is one of the reasons I relocated here when I was 27.

    Little by little, Californian expats are turning a once ruby-red Arizona into a blue state. Tucson, where we moved to in Dec 2021 from SoCal, was already blue and is getting even bluer.

  15. by HatetheSwamp on February 14, 2023 9:29 am


    The population of Texas grew by 470,000 just in 022. Maine grew by more than that?

    Link, buddy.

  16. by Donna on February 14, 2023 9:31 am

    To od's posts - I do think you have a point about socially conservative Democrats. A lot of White Democrats don't seem to realize that older people of color who are Democrats tend to be more religious and more socially conservative than older Democrats who are White.

  17. by islander on February 14, 2023 10:57 am

    Donna ~ Yup1 That's 😀 Smiley (me) !!!

    I had just finished snow-blowing the driveway when my wife came out laughing. I asked her what she was laughing at and she said, "Let me take a picture and I'll show you"...She did and then I knew what she was laughing at...It was me !!! 🤣

    It's true that it can get cold here in the winter, but it can be very beautiful (not so much in a city though). There are trade offs no matter where you live but for me, I find the bright, crisp, cold to be invigorating whereas I find heat and humidity to be oppressive, but if I try, I can find something good to say about each so I can be happy almost anywhere.

    As far as the winters and the snow goes I kind feel that this is my mental attitude, "If you can't find joy in the snow, you'll have a little less joy in your life but the same amount of snow"

  18. by islander on February 14, 2023 11:12 am

    Hate ~ Main has a MUCH smaller population than Texas but the article isn't talking about the "number of people" moving to Maine it's talking about the the rate of increase.

    A part of Maine's (most recent) increase can be contributed to the pandemic. A lot of people fled the crowded areas in an attempt to escape or decrease their chances of getting Covid. Also many people who can work from home discovered that the lifestyle here in Maine suited them better!

    Anyway, here's the link you wanted.

  19. by HatetheSwamp on February 14, 2023 2:54 pm

    Except for the five coldest months, I'd live in Maine.

  20. by oldedude on February 14, 2023 6:38 pm
    I agree with isle about making anything work. Although, ND is a challenge. Maine is beautiful in the summer, AND I like the champagne powder of the central rockies. I also love the high deserts in the winter. I don't mind cold above -15F. I love four seasons.

    So I moved here. And like I said earlier, and isle said for himself, I enjoy where I am. I've got ocean year around that you can dive in (winters are like summer in CO high lakes). I also loved Oman. It's a strange country for the Middle East, but great. Guam would be my next place, but the pristine beaches are pretty much run over with methheads, opioid users and needles. I'm with the northerners here on four seasons. I love winter and spring the most. Here, you know it's fall because the colors of the license plates change.

  21. by oldedude on February 14, 2023 7:05 pm
    "It's wrong for schools to legitimize people like Sheri and I?"

    They would ne under no obligation to talk to the parents. Even at a young age. High school? okay. but remember I'm pretty liberal on this point. My kids and grandkids accept (notice no "airquotes") having two moms, or dads or whatever else as long as they're not abusing the kids.

    You're (read y'all) are good in this. I think kids need to at least be aware of your lifestyle, and just accept it. I don't think that some of the gender reassignments pre-pubescent is close to a good idea. I believe once there is acceptance, they can chose. I would ask they live for awhile as that other gender if under 18. Be sure. For some, they'll go through with it. If that is their true self, I'm out of my scope of influence. You accept people as human beings. And as a grandparent, I love them no matter what. I don't have to like it, and we may have talks, but they're still blood. And there's a responsibility there.

    Just remember. I'm part of the "Liberal" part of the "family."

  22. by Curt_Anderson on February 14, 2023 8:08 pm
    "Here, you know it's fall because the colors of the license plates change." --OD


  23. by Donna on February 14, 2023 10:27 pm

    I appreciate your open-mindedness on gender issues, od. Btw it used to be requirement to live for one year full time as the other sex before you could get approved for SRS. I had to.

  24. by Ponderer on February 15, 2023 5:56 am

    Yes! Here here, olde dude! Very well said. And thanks! 🥂

  25. by islander on February 15, 2023 7:06 am

    My kids and grandkids accept (notice no "airquotes") having two moms, or dads or whatever else as long as they're not abusing the kids.” ~ od

    Exactly, od 🍻 !!! That’s the way it should be and why that simple request angers and upsets some people really baffles me.

    Like you, I too love the four seasons. It seems we were just celebrating the season’s holidays with family a week or two ago and already the the seed catalogs are arriving, the days are getting noticeably longer, and the sun feels stronger as we approach springtime! And now, after being away from New England for so long, I can once again look forward to summer, which is a delightful time of year up here! Even the scenery changes dramatically with each season. It can go from this, to this in less than 90 days !

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