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Proposal to restrict drag shows in Tennessee advances in state Senate
By HatetheSwamp
February 11, 2023 4:37 am
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pb loves it. SwampConservatives have, in effect, taken their page from the progressive SwampLovers' playbook. Nice!

For, what?, 60ish years?, progressives have used, primarily, the courts to force their morality on the rest of the world. Now, following the leadership of popular culture hero Ron DeSantis, conservatives are beginning to legislate their own morality on the world...and, their morality is popular!

How's it feel?

pb'd love to know what po and pt think about the political skirmishes surrounding the trans, uh, movement.

The bill would establish a criminal offense for anyone who engages in “adult cabaret entertainment” on public property or in a location where the show can be seen by someone who is a minor. The legislation defines adult cabaret entertainment as “adult-oriented entertainment” that is harmful to minors, features go-go dancers, exotic dancers, strippers, male or female impersonators or similar entertainers, and includes a performance by an entertainer.

The state Senate passed the bill 26-6, with all Democrats voting against it.

The bill’s advancement comes as Republican lawmakers nationwide have been pushing forward legislation that addresses the LGBTQ community, and in many cases specifically the transgender community with proposals impacting minors’ access to gender-affirming care.

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) also filed a complaint against the Orlando Philharmonic Association last week over a drag holiday show that minors were allowed to attend, arguing it violates state law.


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Comments on "Proposal to restrict drag shows in Tennessee advances in state Senate":

  1. by oldedude on February 11, 2023 5:54 am
    That whole area, TN, KY, southern OH, WV is pretty interesting. "Lion's Den" billboards. Then at the location off the highway, the store and a big billboard about sinning. There's also an American flag that can be seen for miles on 40. It doesn't surprise me this is a law there. You can have drag shows, just not where kids can see them. I'm okay with that. It doesn't say you can't have them or go to them, it's an "adult" thing. Like you have to be a certain age to drink. And go into the Lions Den. And buy tobacco. And have a drivers license.

    But you knew this was going to happen. This is nothing more than the law of political relativity. For every push to the left creates an equal and opposite reaction to the right. It slays me the left doesn't get that and gets pi$$ed when the right does the same thing as they did.


  2. by Ponderer on February 11, 2023 7:55 am

    So, just so I'm clear here, the law would make it illegal for a man dressed as a woman to perform on a stage anywhere in public where a minor might see them? Because a man performing dressed as a woman on a stage is an "adult" thing?



  3. by Ponderer on February 11, 2023 7:58 am

    "You can have drag shows, just not where kids can see them." -olde dude

    Well, what if a parent is perfectly okay with bringing their child with them to a place where a drag show is?


  4. by Ponderer on February 11, 2023 8:11 am

    It's so funny and ironic how societies and their moralities change and evolve over time.

    Back in Elizabethan times, women were absolutely forbidden from performing on stage. All of Shakespeare's plays were originally performed with men, usually teenage boys whose voices hadn't changed yet, performing all the women's roles. It was seen as less far less immoral to have a boy dressed as a woman acting out love scenes with men on stage than to have an actual female actress do the role. And there were no age restrictions on who could attend such performances. It was a very similar thing with Kabuki theater in Japan and in many other cultures.

    Now, here in this country, the very sight of a man on a stage dressed as a woman lip-syncing to a song is enough to get the most Taliban-minded amongst us to grab their torches and pitchforks.


  5. by Ponderer on February 11, 2023 8:20 am

    I just want to make sure I got this right.

    Y'all think that for the sake of the child's future and well being, it should be illegal for a parent to expose their child to a public display of a "lifestyle" that some may find inappropriate or obscene and which they believe may lead to permanent damage of a child's entire fragile makeup...?


  6. by Ponderer on February 11, 2023 8:28 am

    "For, what?, 60ish years?, progressives have used, primarily, the courts to force their morality on the rest of the world." -Hate

    So Bill, you don't think that a law like this is forcing a particular morality on entire states where such a law is in effect?

    No one has ever forced anyone to take their children to a drag show. No morality was ever being forced on anyone by a parent being free to take their child to a drag show.

    I suppose since the ball is rolling now, I am curious as to what other particular moralities theocratic overlords like DeSantis will want to force on their constituencies. What's the next target on their radar?


  7. by Ponderer on February 11, 2023 9:22 am

    Subversive Bunnies' latest....
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  8. by oldedude on February 11, 2023 9:43 am
    "So, just so I'm clear here, the law would make it illegal for a man dressed as a woman to perform on a stage anywhere in public where a minor might see them? Because a man performing dressed as a woman on a stage is an "adult" thing? etcetcetcetc...blahblahblah..."

    I support their states' right to enact the law. How does it affect you? I thought you lived in AZ. Again, your EQ is extremely low. You might want to work on that. It's not fixed.

    And. As I made abundantly clear, there are also porno laws on the books. And alcohol laws on the books. I know many people that do not support either of those. And some people that believe the laws are too lax.

    Do you support giving meth to a 12 year old so you can have sex with them? Why do states think it good to have laws against that? If you disagree with the law, I'd be interested in knowing why.


  9. by Curt_Anderson on February 11, 2023 9:49 am
    "I support their states' right to enact the law." --OD

    The old confederacy never died. It just changed its name to the Republican Party.



  10. by oldedude on February 11, 2023 9:56 am
    If you would actually take the time to read OUR constitution, you'd be shocked at how wrong you've been about just about everything. You really should, you're making an arse out of yourself.


  11. by HatetheSwamp on February 11, 2023 10:06 am

    Y'all think that for the sake of the child's future and well being, it should be illegal for a parent to expose their child to a public display of a "lifestyle" that some may find inappropriate or obscene and which they believe may lead to permanent damage of a child's entire fragile makeup...?

    Speaking for myself, no. And, that's nowhere close to what the proposed law does. The law pertains only to public places. If parents want to take their children to a private club or bar and expose their children to what most people consider perversion, fine.

    On The Five last week, Greg Gutfeld said, in reference to the AP African American History course that, from now on, if you want Black Queer Theory in a public school course, that's fine. This is America. But, from now on, you're going to have to fight for it.

    The days in which the progressive Swampcult got its way through foisting are over, for the moment anyway.

    Incidentally, I think that's what threatens the progressive Swampcult about the Dobbs decision. These issues will now be settled by "the people and their representatives."

    Your side, from what I can tell, can't handle actual life in a representative republic.


  12. by Donna on February 11, 2023 10:15 am

    Some Republicans are advocating to ban ban abortion pills nationwide. So much for state's rights I guess.


  13. by Ponderer on February 11, 2023 10:19 am

    Drag shows are nothing like porno, od.

    Back before the turn of the century when I was just transitioning, my friends and I used to frequent a club called The Queen Mary in Studio City. It was the premier Southern California drag show venue and they had a separate dance floor in a separate part of the club. I don't recall noticing that many minors ever being there to see the show. But it was probably more about how late it was all happening than anything about the performances. But I do recall seeing some.

    I never saw a performance there that was in any way sexual or explicit. The MC, whose name I can't recall but we used to refer to her as The World's Oldest Drag Queen, would tell some jokes with a lot of double entendre in them, but I'm sure it was all way over a kid's head. Essentially, there was nothing about the shows that was obscene or pornographic at all. They were always very tasteful. Not that you could ever believe it.

    Y'all try to make it sound like drag performers regularly whip their dicks out and wave them around while yelling profanity at the crowd.




    What is so potentially harmful to a minor to see a man, dressed as a woman, lip-syncing to songs on a stage for fukk sake???



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  14. by Donna on February 11, 2023 10:24 am

    It was okay when Milton Berle performed in drag, but that was back when the Republican Party was sane.


  15. by HatetheSwamp on February 11, 2023 10:32 am

    Some Republicans are advocating to ban ban abortion pills nationwide. So much for state's rights I guess.

    Think of it as GOPjoy. The Republican Party is the home of openness and inclusion and tolerance, diversity, acceptance and, most of all...FREETHINKING.

    You progressives can say goodbye to the lockstep fascism and give it a try any time you want. Just between us, Donna, it's a blast!


  16. by HatetheSwamp on February 11, 2023 10:34 am

    Drag shows are nothing like porno, od.

    Obviously, po, in the real world, that's in dispute.


  17. by oldedude on February 11, 2023 10:53 am
    I don't particularly care one way or the other. I DO believe a state has a right to follow what the people of that state want. So unless it violates the US Constitution, it doesn't phase me in the least.

    I don't say anything when CA completely locked down the state and wouldn't allow anyone in restaurants (well, minus the governor). That was up to the state. I didn't like CO "health departments" close restaurants because someone walked in without a mask and no one assaulted them. But in CO, health depts are under the state's regulatory purview. There, I made my voice heard because I was a resident of that state. I know people here adamantly support what CA did. That's their right, especially with Donna and po living there at the time.

    I will say the "outrage" about this is another symptom of lack of empathy. Check your EQ. The people of the state want this. It's their right to pass that law. Like I said, I don't care. Most of the people around me here, DO. They feel drag queens are an abomination to God. Again, their right to think that. Again. Not in my span of control. I'm not going to get upset about it.


  18. by Ponderer on February 11, 2023 6:50 pm






    What is so potentially harmful to a minor to see a man, dressed as a woman, lip-syncing to songs on a stage for fukk sake???





    .


  19. by oldedude on February 11, 2023 7:22 pm
    What is so potentially harmful to a minor to see a man, dressed as a woman, lip-syncing to songs on a stage for fukk sake???


    I think you should have read it the first time. Remember, you're talking about your "feelings." It has ZERO to do with any one elses "feelings." I know you can't understand that someone may think differently than you, but most do. They don't believe in burning down police precincts either.

    They feel drag queens are an abomination to God. Again, their right to think that. Again. Not in my span of control. I'm not going to get upset about it.

    I will say the "outrage" about this is another symptom of lack of empathy. Check your EQ. The people of the state want this. It's their right to pass that law. Like I said, I don't care.


  20. by Ponderer on February 12, 2023 7:30 am

    What is so potentially harmful to a minor to see a man, dressed as a woman, lip-syncing to songs on a stage for fukk sake???

    "They feel drag queens are an abomination to God. Again, their right to think that." -olde dude

    Thank you, olde dude! Great answer. I totally appreciate you being so forthcoming with it.



    So it is your contention then that certain people's religious beliefs should be the prime arbiter of how our laws are to be written and what they should be based on...?





  21. by Donna on February 12, 2023 9:43 am

    There was no "complete lockdown" in CA. Sheri, a sign and banner designer, and I, a retail merchandiser who hangs non-essential mostly-Chinese-made products for a third party vendor in grocery stores were deemed "essential workers" throughout the entire "lockdown", which of course was ludicrous.

    If you want to learn what a real lockdown looks like, do some reading on what the Chinese government did.


  22. by oldedude on February 12, 2023 10:44 am
    Could you sit in restaurants? Could you NOT wear a mask? Were restaurants restricted in the number of people in their business? Were people not able to work, or go where they wanted to? Were the borders to your state open to everyone? What would happen if you weren't vaccinated? I could go on but wonn't.


  23. by oldedude on February 12, 2023 10:49 am
    And your governor, while he was locking down the restaurants, had a party that was completely maskless and was too big according to CDC guidelines. So regardless of our differences in the "exact" meaning, newsome was violating his own "mandates."

    I find that FAR different than erroring on the side of caution, and possible assassination. But you don't think killing DeSantis would be a crime, so there's that.


  24. by HatetheSwamp on February 12, 2023 10:50 am

    None of the progressive SwampLovers on SS met a mandate nor shutdown they didn't pornographically love.

    "But pb. But pb! Rights aren't absolute." Bahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahaha, ahhhhhhhhhhh.


  25. by oldedude on February 12, 2023 10:52 am
    Yeah, I forgot that you could buy weed and be in a strip bar (what better place to catch any disease?), but it was illegal to go to church.


  26. by HatetheSwamp on February 12, 2023 10:55 am

    ...until the cases got to those Trump Justices in the Supreme Court...


  27. by Ponderer on February 12, 2023 11:00 am

    olde dude, as popular as you may imagine legal cannabis to be in California, dispensaries pretty much never pack hundreds of people, shoulder to shoulder into one room and keep them there, breathing the same air, for an hour or more like churches do. And churches aren't generally dispensing badly needed medications to anyone.

    So... not really an equitable comparison at all I am afraid.



  28. by oldedude on February 12, 2023 11:30 am
    Is that why states that did that were reprimanded by the federal courts for exactly that?


  29. by Donna on February 12, 2023 11:49 am

    od: No doubt. But all of that pales in comparison to what a "complete lockdown" looks like. Have you done any reading on the lockdowns in China? Doesn't sound like you have.


  30. by islander on February 12, 2023 12:25 pm

    This is what a drag show is:

    ”Typically, a drag show involves performers singing or lip-synching to songs while performing a pre-planned pantomime or dancing. There might also be some comedy, skits, and audience interaction.[1] The performers often don elaborate costumes and makeup, and sometimes dress to imitate various famous opposite sex singers or personalities. Young male dancers have often been included. Some events are centered around drag, such as Southern Decadence where the majority of festivities are led by the Grand Marshals, who traditionally are drag queens.[2] “
    Od says, ”I don't particularly care one way or the other. I DO believe a state has a right to follow what the people of that state want. So unless it violates the US Constitution, it doesn't phase me in the least.” * Wikipedia

    I agree.

    Then, regarding the people of a state using the state enact a law to ban parents from bringing their minor child to a drag show, od then says,
    "They feel drag queens are an abomination to God. Again, their right to think that."
    I agree too that people have a right to believe that...HOWEVER to have the state enact a law that all are required to follow based on that belief is unconstitutional.

    While some people can see circuses, Mardi Gras celebrations, and drag shows as nothing but people acting silly and foolish is of course their right, to act silly and see it as silly. Enacting laws usurping a parent’s right to bring their minor child to such events solely because of their religious belief their God views such events as abominable IS unconstitutional.

    en.wikipedia.org


  31. by Ponderer on February 12, 2023 12:46 pm

    Geez, THANKS Isle! I hadn't even thought about a Mardi Gras tie-in!



  32. by islander on February 12, 2023 1:05 pm

    You're welcome Ponderer !!!

    Sorry about all the typos in grammar, spelling, syntax, and punctuation in my last post, but I accidentally hit 'post your comment' before I proof read it...Not That I would have spotted them all even if I had Lol !! My brain has a way of tricking me into seeing, in my own mind, just what I should have typed instead of what I did and it hides any other errors as well. That's why I would never succeed as a proof reader !! 😁


  33. by oldedude on February 12, 2023 7:54 pm
    again its a state law that no one here can change because they are not voters in that state. as strange as you may find it, TN has no control over LA either. No one gives a sht about mardi gras except for those that make millions off of it. Though i did see a drag queen come down a red glass slipper on nye in key west. it was entertaining. and allowed. we bought a couple of drinks in that bar, enjoyed it, and moved on. I had just gotten back from my 4th tour and stunk like feces and bad water.


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