Comments posted organically
SelectSmart.com Homepage
Display Order:

Russia is even more furious over vote by Congress to support Ukraine than MTG.
Politics by Curt_Anderson     April 21, 2024 6:09 pm (Rating: 0.0) Last comment by: oldedude (1 comments) [238 views]


Anonymous comments regarding the Presidential Candidate Selector
President by Curt_Anderson     March 19, 2024 10:10 am (Rating: 0.0) Last comment by: Curt_Anderson (22 comments) [1064 views]


Minutes after Trump said he wouldn’t run and hide, he runs and hides.
Politics by Curt_Anderson     April 21, 2024 5:13 pm (Rating: 0.0) Last comment by: Indy! (1 comments) [49 views]


I don't care what anybody says. Trump's trials won't help his poll numbers.
Politics by Curt_Anderson     April 21, 2024 9:46 am (Rating: 0.0) Last comment by: Indy! (11 comments) [199 views]


We don’t really know Joe Biden or Donald Trump. Maybe we should listen to those who do.
Politics by Curt_Anderson     April 21, 2024 1:23 pm (Rating: 0.0) Last comment by: Curt_Anderson (4 comments) [182 views]


According to Frank Luntz, pb is young at heart and ahead of his time
Politics by HatetheSwamp     April 20, 2024 12:52 pm (Rating: 0.0) Last comment by: HatetheSwamp (3 comments) [243 views]


The Oval Office Oaf is starting to win me over. I...DO...choose freedom over democracy.
President by HatetheSwamp     April 21, 2024 6:36 am (Rating: 0.0) Last comment by: HatetheSwamp (2 comments) [486 views]


Politifact finally gets one right...
President by HatetheSwamp     April 19, 2024 1:39 pm (Rating: 0.0) Last comment by: HatetheSwamp (2 comments) [206 views]


House passes HR 8035...$60 Billion Ukraine Aid Package
Government by HatetheSwamp     April 20, 2024 11:15 am (Rating: 0.0) Last comment by: HatetheSwamp (2 comments) [55 views]


Israel has carried out a strike inside Iran, US official tells CNN, as region braces for further escalation
Military by HatetheSwamp     April 19, 2024 3:31 am (Rating: 0.0) Last comment by: oldedude (2 comments) [329 views]


History selectors, pages, etc.
Ron DeSantis' warped history lessons.
By Curt_Anderson
January 31, 2023 1:18 pm
Category: History

(0.0 from 0 votes)
Rules of the Post

SelectSmart.com SelectSmart.com SelectSmart.com


Rate this article
5 Stars
4 Stars
3 Stars
2 Stars
1 Star
0 Stars
(5=best, 0=poor)

This is an excerpt from DeSantis' "Stop Woke Act" and is part of one of the longest run-on sentences that I ever encountered---it goes on seemingly forever. See the link. Basically it says that students cannot be taught and expected to pass examinations that discuss past discriminatory policies, institutions or customs that may have an impact on people today.

1
2 An act relating to individual freedom; amending s.
3 760.10, F.S.; providing that subjecting any
4 individual, as a condition of employment, membership,
5 certification, licensing, credentialing, or passing an
6 examination, to training, instruction, or any other
7 required activity that espouses, promotes, advances,
8 inculcates, or compels such individual to believe
9 specified concepts constitutes discrimination based on
10 race, color, sex, or national origin; providing
11 construction; amending s. 1000.05, F.S.; providing
12 that subjecting any student or employee to training or
13 instruction that espouses, promotes, advances,
14 inculcates, or compels such individual to believe
15 specified concepts constitutes discrimination based on
16 race, color, sex, or national origin....

DeSantis claims that teaching about slavery, Jim Crow laws, red-lining, et cetera is indoctrination. But what he doesn't understand is that not teaching these lessons--implying they didn't happen--is also indoctrination.

Here is DeSantis absurdly claiming that no one before the American Revolution questioned slavery.




Cited and related links:

  1. flsenate.gov

Comments Start Below


The views and claims expressed by contributors are their own and do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of SelectSmart.com. Not every statement made here can be assumed to be a fact.
Comments on "Ron DeSantis' warped history lessons. ":

  1. by HatetheSwamp on January 31, 2023 1:34 pm

    DeSantis claims that teaching about slavery, Jim Crow laws, red-lining, et cetera is indoctrination.

    Really.

    Link?


  2. by Curt_Anderson on January 31, 2023 1:39 pm
    I gave you the link. Read the entire "Stop Woke Act" and report what "specified concepts constitutes discrimination" that you think the act refers to.


  3. by HatetheSwamp on January 31, 2023 1:43 pm

    Show me slavery. Jim Crow laws. pb's not seeing it.


  4. by Curt_Anderson on January 31, 2023 1:51 pm
    Read it again. Or guess what those "specified concepts constitutes discrimination" are.


  5. by Curt_Anderson on January 31, 2023 2:05 pm
    If you don't want to or can't read the "Stop Woke Act", take it straight from the horse's ass's mouth:

    "The bill authorizes discussion of topics such as sexism, slavery, racial oppression, racial segregation, and racial discrimination, in an age-appropriate manner, and in such a way that does not indoctrinate or persuade students to a certain point of view that is inconsistent with the principles of individual freedom."

    God forbid should somebody learn about slavery, etc. at too young an age (outside of church, that is). The "principles of individual freedom" means that minorities should get over past discrimination that might effect their lives today.
    flgov.com


  6. by HatetheSwamp on January 31, 2023 2:09 pm

    "The bill authorizes discussion of topics such as sexism, slavery, racial oppression, racial segregation, and racial discrimination, in an age-appropriate manner...


  7. by Curt_Anderson on January 31, 2023 2:17 pm

    The bill includes provisions to prevent discriminatory instruction in the workplace and in public schools and defines individual freedoms “based on the fundamental truth that all individuals are equal before the law and have inalienable rights,” the governor’s office said.

    “No one should be instructed to feel as if they are not equal or shamed because of their race,” DeSantis said. “In Florida, we will not let the far-left woke agenda take over our schools and workplaces. There is no place for indoctrination or discrimination in Florida.”


    So in Florida any teaching about slavery, especially if the student happens to be a descendant of slave-owners, shouldn't cause them to feel any shame.

    On the same token, descendants of slaves, sharecroppers and those who were victims of more recent discrimination shouldn't believe that their economic opportunities are not equal to any other person's---no matter how much generational wealth they may have.


    thecentersquare.com


  8. by Donna on January 31, 2023 2:37 pm

    They're whitewashing history. They're uncomfortable with the fact that Florida was a slave state and that many Floridians have ancestors who were slave owners. I guess they're trying to assuage their self-imposed guilt. At any rate, IMO it's a stupid and unnecessary law that smacks of fascism.




  9. by Ponderer on January 31, 2023 2:47 pm

    “No one should be instructed to feel as if they are not equal or shamed because of their race,”


    I only wish that it was possible for you two to comprehend for even two seconds just what a ridiculous, mendacious, paranoid and bigoted a straw man that babbling asinine nonsense is.

    No teacher is instructing any of their students that they need to be ashamed of anything in our history.

    Just how stupid and gullible are you pea brains?


  10. by HatetheSwamp on January 31, 2023 2:49 pm

    So in Florida any teaching about slavery, especially if the student happens to be a descendant of slave-owners, shouldn't cause them to feel any shame.

    On the same token, descendants of slaves, sharecroppers and those who were victims of more recent discrimination shouldn't believe that their economic opportunities are not equal to any other person's---no matter how much generational wealth they may have.


    Your interpretation of the import of the law doesn't comport with reality. DeSantis didn't reject the AP syllabus because it mentions slavery. He rejected it because it inserted, among other offenses, the inclusion of black Queer Theory into a public high school course.

    Here's a word if advice to all of you:

    You progressives best better recalibrate your sanctimony as far as DeSantis is concerned. It's true. He holds very different positions than do you but, as hard as it may be for you to accept, he received his BA from Yale and his JD from Harvard. I'm certain that po, for example, thinks every conservative is stupid. po repeatedly condemns every conservative who shows up here for being stupid. But, DeSantis has run circles around Swampcult Dems since he became governor. He's doing that to you, now...on this very issue.

    And, if he becomes President...oy freakin vey!


  11. by Curt_Anderson on January 31, 2023 2:54 pm
    “They're uncomfortable with the fact that Florida was a slave state and that many Floridians have ancestors who were slave owners. I guess they're trying to assuage their self-imposed guilt.” —-Donna

    And conservatives say liberals are snowflakes!
    😎


  12. by HatetheSwamp on January 31, 2023 2:57 pm

    Queer Theory


  13. by Donna on January 31, 2023 3:17 pm

    My comment was to a related issue - Florida's CRT ban.

    ***

    Republicans across the country have been trying to kill public education for decades.

    Republican-led voucher expansion could steer $2.4 billion from Florida public schools

    TALLAHASSEE – A proposed massive expansion of Florida’s private school voucher program easily cleared its first House stop Thursday, despite drawing blistering criticism that it would drain billions of dollars of needed cash from public schools used by 2.9 million students...

    “Public education has been the bedrock of democracy,” said Sarah Butzin, with the League of Women Voters-Florida. “This voucher system for years has been chipping away to fund private and religious education at public expense. HB 1 now adds a sledge hammer.” 


    tallahassee.com


  14. by HatetheSwamp on January 31, 2023 3:24 pm

    This comment, Donna?

    "They're whitewashing history. They're uncomfortable with the fact that Florida was a slave state and that many Floridians have ancestors who were slave owners. I guess they're trying to assuage their self-imposed guilt. At any rate, IMO it's a stupid and unnecessary law that smacks of fascism."


  15. by Donna on January 31, 2023 3:27 pm

    If I lived in Flarda, I'd be outraged that my tax dollars were being used yo support private Christian schools like this:

    Christian Florida school tells parents gay and transgender students must 'leave immediately'

    The June email read: "We believe that any form of homosexuality, lesbianism, bisexuality, transgender identity/lifestyle, self-identification, bestiality, incest, fornication, adultery and pornography are sinful in the sight of God and the church. Students who are found participating in these lifestyles will be asked to leave the school immediately."

    tallahassee.com


  16. by HatetheSwamp on January 31, 2023 3:32 pm

    Apparently, you're a devoted reader of the Tallahassee DEMOCRAT, eh?

    Are you suggesting that private schools should violate their beliefs?


  17. by Donna on January 31, 2023 3:41 pm

    Why would you suspect that? I told you what my objection is in my post.


  18. by oldedude on January 31, 2023 8:25 pm
    Private school voucher is all about PARENTS HAVING CONTROL of their children's lives. That's the easiest part of this. Parents here actually believe parents have a RIGHT to speak to what their children need to lear. Not the racist things curt talks about, but to other things.


  19. by oldedude on January 31, 2023 8:33 pm

    2 An act relating to individual freedom; amending s.
    3 760.10, F.S.; providing that subjecting any
    4 individual, as a condition of employment, membership,
    5 certification, licensing, credentialing, or passing an
    6 examination, to training, instruction, or any other
    7 required activity that espouses, promotes, advances,
    8 inculcates, or compels such individual to believe
    9 specified concepts constitutes discrimination based on
    10 race, color, sex, or national origin; providing
    11 construction; amending s. 1000.05, F.S.; providing
    12 that subjecting any student or employee to training or
    13 instruction that espouses, promotes, advances,
    14 inculcates, or compels such individual to believe
    15 specified concepts constitutes discrimination based on
    16 race, color, sex, or national origin....

    This is NOTHING but those that support the MLKjr Ideology. EOS.

    .


  20. by Donna on February 1, 2023 9:11 am

    Proponents of school voucher systems go back decades, and they have always been advocated for by evangelical Christians like Betsy DeVoss who want to use taxpayer money to help evangelical Christians pay for private Christian school tuition where their children can be taught Bible-based instruction.


  21. by oldedude on February 1, 2023 4:14 pm
    Maybe they just want an actual education, instead of the woke crap the local district is spewing. Or maybe they want their kids to learn to read, do math, and think for themselves without having to bend over for the groomers in the school. We know the schools are much like the British system. The public schools are for those that can't afford a good education.

    FYSA. Florida is rated #3 in the nation in 2022.
    CA was rated #4 (happy to see that, it was a surprise for me)
    MD #5
    CO #9
    AZ #31
    OR #33 (edging out AR by a mere 0.3%)
    usnews.com


  22. by Donna on February 1, 2023 8:05 pm

    "...without having to bend over for the groomers".

    Who are these pedophiles you speak of?




  23. by HatetheSwamp on February 2, 2023 3:07 am

    Proponents of school voucher systems go back decades, and they have always been advocated for by evangelical Christians...

    Sometimes, when you're caught unawares, Donna, you let your Christophobia...specifically Evangophobia...slither out into the light of day.

    Why is it that vouchers are evil because evangelical Christians have advocated for them?



  24. by Donna on February 2, 2023 9:21 am

    I'm a strong supporter of public education, which voucher programs are defunding. I support private schools, including religious-based ones. I just don't think that taxpayer money should be used to support them.




  25. by HatetheSwamp on February 2, 2023 9:44 am

    Donna,

    I get that.

    Fortunately, due to the manifold abuses and failures of public education...brought to light with amazing clarity when parents could observe first-hand what goes on in public school classrooms...many parents now feel imprisoned by public school tyranny. And, pb is all for that.

    Public education in the United States today doesn't deserve the blind, unqualified support you offer it. IMO.


  26. by Donna on February 2, 2023 10:44 am

    There will always be renegade teachers, who IMO should be dealt with individually. What I have yet to see, though, is anything that's offensive in the curriculum. I think it was od who showed me an example of curriculum that could be controversial, but the curriculum in question wasn't adopted by the school board. IMO the whole issue is being blown out of proportion for political purposes.





  27. by HatetheSwamp on February 2, 2023 10:54 am

    Blown out of proportion for political purposes? With the AP African American Course that veers into Queer Theory, Intersectionality, Black Feminist Thought, etc., I think that you're agreeing with me that DeSantis has an exquisite sense of choosing the hill he'll die on. But, I think that DeSantis won this because wokesters genuinely went off the deep end.


  28. by Donna on February 2, 2023 11:00 am

    There were complaints from some liberal educators about the AP African-American course curriculum too. You should be happy to hear that the course in question has since been amended to be in full compliance with the FBOE.


  29. by Curt_Anderson on February 2, 2023 11:02 am
    HtS,
    What is "intersectionality"? And why do conservatives hate it? I've only heard the word in the last few years.


  30. by HatetheSwamp on February 2, 2023 11:08 am

    Check out po's, Thanks...OD, thread. It's summarized well in the chart.

    Progressives protest regularly that CRT ain't being taught in public schools.

    BUSTED!


  31. by Donna on February 2, 2023 11:11 am

    Curt -

    There are hints that the College Board is embedding some of the disputed material, without being explicit about it. “Intersectionality” — a term that Florida says is foundational to critical race theory — is cited eight times in the draft curriculum, but only once in the new version, as an optional topic for a project.

    But the concept, which refers to the way different forms of discrimination work together, seems to sneak into required course content, under the heading of essential knowledge. The writers Gwendolyn Brooks and Mari Evans, the curriculum says, “explore the lived experience of Black women and men and show how their race, gender and social class can affect how they are perceived, their roles and their economic opportunities.”



    nytimes.com


  32. by HatetheSwamp on February 2, 2023 11:22 am

    The course will have to pass muster with the various state versions of their Board of Education. The College Board is a business. If schools aren't going to buy the course, it won't make money.

    Having said that, I think that the course should teach about CRT. It's too consequential to ignore in a course on African American history. From what I can tell, though, the original syllabus actually taught CRT and advocated it as the appropriate interpretation of history. That will never fly. And, it shouldn't.


  33. by Curt_Anderson on February 2, 2023 11:22 am
    Donna,
    In that case, we had a lot intersectionality lessons when I was in school. We read books and watched movies such as the "Grapes of Wrath" and "The Good Earth". I was out of school by then, but I know schools had lessons plans designed around the TV mini-series "Roots".


  34. by HatetheSwamp on February 2, 2023 11:51 am

    ...the curriculum says, “explore the lived experience of Black women and men and show how their race, gender and social class can affect how they are perceived, their roles and their economic opportunities.”

    That description doesn't comport with what brought parents out to protest at school board meetings so vehemently that that political hack heading the DOJ set the FBI on them. And, I can't see that that would raise the irs of educators in Florida. Perhaps something else is going on.


  35. by oldedude on February 2, 2023 1:11 pm
    There will always be renegade teachers, who IMO should be dealt with individually. What I have yet to see, though, is anything that's offensive in the curriculum.
    If a teacher does not use the approved curriculum, they can be fired. OR if a parent sues because of what is being taught (and it isn't the approved curriculum), the district does not protect the teacher at all. So it's a CYA thing for the teachers/ district.

    I think it was od who showed me an example of curriculum that could be controversial, but the curriculum in question wasn't adopted by the school board.

    There is a difference in some states. In FL, the state approves curriculums that can be used. The state board oversees the acceptance. This is different than the districts is say, CA, CO, and other states. For those states where the state has oversight, it limits costs for districts, while protecting the districts against lawsuits. Here, the public schools want this to keep themselves from being sued. In the last few years especially. It also helps with intra-state student moves since the criteria is set out. Also, with a few exceptions on the university level.


  36. by HatetheSwamp on February 2, 2023 2:24 pm

    Greg Gutfeld said on The Five that the bottom line from this is: From now on, if you want Queer Theory, you're going to have to fight for it.

    pb thinks he's bang on. By all means, if you want Queer Theory taught in your high school's Africa American history course, have at it.

    No more foisting, though.


  37. by Curt_Anderson on February 2, 2023 2:33 pm
    I'd like to hear the queer theories about DeSantis's go go boots. Not that there is anything wrong with that.


    gannett-cdn.com


  38. by HatetheSwamp on February 2, 2023 2:35 pm

    A Seifert quote is always appropriate.


  39. by HatetheSwamp on February 2, 2023 3:37 pm

    Seinfeld. Sheeeeeeeeeeeesh!


Go To Top

Comment on: "Ron DeSantis' warped history lessons. "


* Anonymous comments are subject to approval before they appear. Cookies Consent Policy & Privacy Statement. All Rights Reserved. SelectSmart® is a registered trademark. | Contact SelectSmart.com | Advertise on SelectSmart.com | This site is for sale!

Find old posts & articles

Articles by category:

SelectSmart.com
Report spam & abuse
SelectSmart.com home page