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It's preposterous that Alec Baldwin is being charged in the shooting death of a cinematographer
By Curt_Anderson
January 19, 2023 5:17 pm
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Since the dawn of motion pictures, literally, cowboys and others have been shooting guns directly at or towards the camera. When not shooting at the camera, they are shooting at other actors. There are not supposed to be live rounds anywhere near a movie set. It's the job of the armorer to provide the actors with guns that are safely loaded with blanks.



It's also ridiculous that movies and TV shows use functioning guns capable of being loaded with actual bullets. The gunshot sound and even a puff of smoke could be added in post-production.

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  1. by HatetheSwamp on January 20, 2023 4:36 am

    Baldwin was the producer of the film. The shooting is, ultimately, his responsibility. I'm wondering. If Baldwin were not such an SOB, would he be charged? If he doesn't take a plea deal, even with world-class lawyers, will his arrogance and narcissism get him a guilty verdict in front of a jury?


  2. by Curt_Anderson on January 20, 2023 9:01 am
    HtS,
    So in your way of thinking, because Alec Baldwin was a producer of the film, therefore he holds ultimate responsibility for the actions of those who work for him him. I don’t recall you using the same argument when Alan Weiselberg was found guilty of tax fraud. After all, he worked directly for Donald Trump.

    For that matter, there’s been a number of people who worked for Trump, who have been convicted of crimes when Donald Trump was president and as a private business person. To be consistent, HtS, don’t you want Trump convicted with them?


  3. by HatetheSwamp on January 20, 2023 10:27 am

    In this case, Curt, Baldwin was holding the gun.


  4. by Curt_Anderson on January 20, 2023 11:08 am
    But to Baldwin at the time, he didn’t know that it was an actual gun loaded with at least one bullet capable of killing somebody. To him like every other actor on the set, he assumed it was a prop gun loaded with blanks. There is no evidence to think otherwise.

    It was probably indicated in the script and indicated by the Director where Baldwin should be pointing and shooting the gun.


  5. by HatetheSwamp on January 20, 2023 11:14 am

    Baldwin also said the he didn't pull the trigger but every "expert" who examined the gun concluded that it couldn't discharge without the trigger being pulled. I've never confused Alec Baldwin with Mother Theresa.


  6. by Donna on January 20, 2023 11:18 am

    Weisselberg was working for Donald Trump's corporation, not Donald Trump.

    Baldwin was clowning around and shot the director of the film. That being said, it seems to me that the only guilty party was the person who was in charge of loading blanks into the gun.


  7. by Donna on January 20, 2023 11:19 am

    Correction: He shot the cinematographer, not the director.


  8. by Curt_Anderson on January 20, 2023 4:46 pm
    Donna,
    I have not heard that Baldwin was clowning around with the gun. Was it clowning or trying different "looks" and angles for the director?

    "We are artists — we are not actual cowboys, actual cops, actual superheroes," [actor Steven] Pasquale said. "We are not Jason Bourne. I can’t even begin to imagine an actor having the responsibility of now needing to be the safety person on the set regarding prop guns. That's insane."

    Another actor told the NY Times that in some cases the actors holding guns are children and some actors have no personal experience with guns. So they are not the best people to check that the prop gun is "cold".

    According the Times, some actors claim they always personally check the guns they use in scene. Maybe. There are a lot scenes in movies in which one actor wrestles the gun away from another actor giving them no time to check the gun personally.

    Maybe they do check their prop guns. But do they check the brakes on the cars used in chase scenes? What about pyrotechnics, do they check them out? There are also sorts of potentially lethal props used in movies and on TV. It cannot be the actors' responsibility to be safety managers.



    nytimes.com


  9. by Curt_Anderson on April 21, 2023 7:11 pm
    I am not very surprised. This shooting happened in 2021. I wonder what "new facts" caused the prosecutors to change their minds.

    Prosecutors dismissing charges against Alec Baldwin in ‘Rust’ shooting
    CNN — Involuntary manslaughter charges will be dismissed against actor Alec Baldwin, according to a statement from the New Mexico special prosecutors overseeing the cases in the “Rust” shooting.

    Citing “new facts” in the case, special prosecutors Kari Morrissey and Jason Lewis said they could not “proceed under the current time constraints and on the facts and evidence turned over by law enforcement in its existing form.
    cnn.com


  10. by oldedude on April 21, 2023 7:52 pm
    This is the RULE of shootings. "if you pull the trigger, you own the bullet." In EVERY shooting that is either a cop shooting, or someone protecting their castle. THEY are always responsible for the shot. Period. End of Story.

    Now. if you're a leftist gun hater? My guess is that you don't know a damn thing about how a gun works. That is slightly a defence. My view is the armorer came from a family of armorers. Obviously, she wasn't trained well enough and came on her family's coattails. The armorer owns a piece of this, no doubt. AND they must do a chain of events. Horrywood owns their own guns which don't hold real bullets. (if I'm talking too far over your head, let me know). They're odd calibres that don't have bullets to load into them. Question. How did that gun get on to the set? It may have not been either Baldwin or the armorer. This brings up a Jessica Fletcher question. Who put the gun there? Who had the bullets? Too many unanswered questions for me to excuse anyone.


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