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Hate goes on and on about it, but he has never once been able to give any kind of specific definition of it, or what it is exactly that the "Anti Swamp" is actually fighting against. They and Hate just blabber on about "The Swamp!", "McCarthy is The Swamp!", "Biden is The Swamp!", "Media is The Swamp!", "I'm against The Swamp!", "Anyone who isn't like me is The Swamp!".

I just wanted to post this thread so that we can all watch how amusingly lame Hate will be in addressing it. He will give no specifics. There will be no details. All he will do, if he responds at all, is give vague, amorphous generalities and cliche bumper sticker lines. Just like all the Anti-Swamp deplorables do. They can't explain what they mean either!

So the system is "broken", they say? Okay, in what way exactly is it broken, and how will tearing down the whole system in an act of treasonous nihilism magically fix it? Hate says this chaotic disaster going on in the House is good for the Republican party, but he is incapable of saying how it can be seen as such by any stretch of a same imagination.

Hate won't answer that.

He has said many times that I ask him "Do you still beat your wife?" questions, when all I am doing is trying to do is get him to state his position rationally and logically and show his work.

But he never does. And never will.

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by HatetheSwamp on January 5, 2023 9:57 am Ah, c'mon man! Gimme a burrrrrrreak! Over the years, po, you have axed me several times, as has isle. When I've replied, Curt's even told me that I can't think the Swamp is what I think the Swamp is: Progressive sanctimony and audacity. AGAIN: When pb talks about the Swamp, he's talking about the totality of the dysfunctional, incestuous, institutional DC political culture. So far as pb knows, in 023, every Congressional Dem is a denizen of that culture. "That feckless dementia-ridden piece of crap" is a pathetic pawn of that culture, as is his Cabinet, and the FBI and CIA, certainly the DOJ...except for a handful of whistleblowers...and, as far as pb can judge, every member of the Supreme Court. As is what some call the mainstream media, plus much of the rest of the media including all of the major cable news channels. DC is a cesspool of elitism and dysfunction. And, pb hates it. As do an increasing number of freethinking others. by Curt_Anderson on January 5, 2023 10:16 am Clearly, HtS cannot be talking about Joe Biden when he denounces "the swamp". His presidency has been anything but dysfunctional. In fact, Biden has been the most effective president in getting legislation passed since FDR. And Biden accomplished it with a 50-50 Senate. Biden’s headline legislation is the Inflation Reduction Act, a $739 billion health care and climate bill which will also permit Medicare to negotiate the price of some expensive prescriptions. The legislation provides Medicare recipients with free vaccines and caps out-of-pocket insulin at $35 monthly starting in 2023 and out-of-pocket prescription drug costs at $2,000 annually. It imposes a 15% minimum tax on the domestic profits of American companies with over $1 billion in earnings, and a 1% excise tax on stock buybacks that could slash the deficit by $300 billion. The bill extends Affordable Care Act subsidies for three years for the 35 million ACA enrollees. ACA subsidies are tax credits available to those whose net income is between 100% and 400% of the Federal Poverty Level. Biden’s $1.9 trillion American Rescue Plan Act (ARPA) extended eligibility for ACA health insurance subsidies to people buying their health coverage on the Marketplace, which increased the number of people eligible for such subsidies 20%, from 18.1 million to 21.8 million. More than 9.5 million unemployed Americans found jobs over the past 18 months, and the unemployment rate fell from 6.4 to 3.7 percent. Biden signed the CHIPs Act, which will invest $52.7 billion to build microchips in America and boost federal scientific research and development and make the U.S. less dependent on China for electronic parts. Biden signed the Pact Act, which expands VA health care and benefits for Veterans exposed to burn pits and other toxic substances in a combat zone. Biden signed the bipartisan Safer Communities Act, which implemented several changes to the mental health system, to school safety programs, and to gun safety laws. Biden oversaw the attack on al-Qaida leader Ayman al-Zawahiri, who was Osama bin Laden’s right-hand man. Biden facilitated the admission of Sweden and Finland, two traditional neutrals, into the NATO alliance, and has led Western support/training for Ukraine, which is becoming apparent in their recent successes against Russia. The $1.2 trillion Infrastructure Law makes a once-in-a-generation investment of $350 billion in highway programs, including the largest dedicated bridge investment since the construction of the Interstate Highway System. Biden succeeded in getting the first Black woman, Ketanji Brown Jackson, confirmed to the Supreme Court. Biden passed an anti-Asian hate crimes law, and updated and reauthorized the Violence Against Women Act. Biden championed global democracy by leading the coalition that supports Ukraine in its heroic and successful fight against Russia...without committing US troops. Biden pulled the plug on our involvement in the endless war in Afghanistan. The parade of US caskets has finally stopped after 20 years. by oldedude on January 5, 2023 10:18 am You should have put that post under "humor!" by Ponderer on January 5, 2023 10:19 am "When pb talks about the Swamp, he's talking about the totality of the dysfunctional, incestuous, institutional DC political culture. [and he goes on babbling in no more detail than that]" -Hate Yes, you have said as much before a time or two. But as I went on to say, I knew you would be incapable of giving any specifics, you would be unable to give any details, and you would give us vague, amorphous generalities and cliche bumper sticker lines. Which is exactly what you just did, this and those other times. You can't explain what the details are because you don't even know what they are yourself. All you can do is talk about "the totality of the dysfunctional, incestuous, institutional DC political culture". Because that is as far as your understanding of The Swamp goes apparently. You're free to fill in all the blanks or totally ignore any further details about what that means all you want. But that in no way means that anyone, let alone everyone else, is supposed to know what you are talking about. "The Swamp" means a lot of different things to different people. Others here have detailed and given examples of what it means to them. So why is it so impossible for you to simply tell us what that means to you and some specific examples that brought you to your position? by Ponderer on January 5, 2023 10:40 am Curt, thanks for posting all that. It's funny that some here are giving any importance to polls right now between Biden, Trump, and DeSantis when they haven't seen the ads that those candidates are going to have to run with towards the end of '24. Biden will have so much to blow his own whistle about. And he'll also run ads that are nothing but DeSantis talking and telling us in his own words and actions why he is a despicable candidate. The GOP will still be a psychotic mess. DeSantis will have nothing to show but racist and inhuman Libtard Gotcha videos where using human beings as props to dispose of without a thought Trump will be serving some form of "Time" as a convicted multiple felon, so. My favorite idea right now is permanent house arrest in Mira Logo. Turn his palace sanctum into his public prison, and then listen to him complain about the conditions. Isn't that a deliciously poetic idea? I can't wait to see what kind of campaign ads he'd produce from there. by Curt_Anderson on January 5, 2023 10:50 am Ponderer, Besides touting his the bills he signed, Biden will be able to point to concrete (in some cases literal) examples of enacted legislation making life better, healthier, safer and richer for Americans. Yesterday's headline was a good example. Biden and McConnell joined by Govs. Beshear and DeWine in bipartisan display at Ohio River bridge Contrast is sharp with House of Representatives, where anything but bridge building appears to be occurring on Wednesday marketwatch.com by Donna on January 5, 2023 11:01 am "The legislation provides Medicare recipients with free vaccines and caps out-of-pocket insulin at $35 monthly starting in 2023 and out-of-pocket prescription drug costs at $2,000 annually." - Curt And not one Republican voted for it. This is just one example of why most Americans deplore the GOP. by HatetheSwamp on January 5, 2023 11:05 am I knew you would be incapable of giving any specifics, you would be unable to give any details, and you would give us vague, amorphous generalities and cliche bumper sticker lines. Uh, po. You've been reading the posts about the SwampGOPs fighting to the death for their man, Kevin McCarthy and the GOP SwampMedia incineration itself attacking those GOPs who won't sanction the anointing of the Chosen One. Have mercy on me, po, and splain how I could be being more specific? by Ponderer on January 5, 2023 11:32 am Well, in all simplicity, instead of citing "the totality of the dysfunctional, incestuous, institutional DC political culture", howz'bout you just give us one, single, solitary example of the dysfunctional, incestuous, and institutional DC political culture of which such broadly vague and amorphous words refer to...? by HatetheSwamp on January 5, 2023 11:48 am po, There comes a time when wisdom for you is to acknowledge that you have one of two impairments. Either your subjectivity disconnects you completely from reality or you are intellectually challenged to the degree that you are incapable of understanding this. Perhaps both. po, pb didn’t invent the term Swamp. In truth, the Swamp issue is being batted about on the floor of the Congress and in the media, even the SwampMedia, on this very day. You seem to be under the impression that this is some weird idea that pb came up with all by himself. pb ain't that original. And, honestly, I'm convinced that you are not as stoopid as you're pretending to be. You may be completely paralyzed by the subjectivity that is your truth, though. by Curt_Anderson on January 5, 2023 12:02 pm I never had the impression that HtS came up with "the swamp" on his own. To the contrary, it always struck me as a meaningless phrase, recently popularized by Donald Trump, that can mean whatever the listener wants it to mean. The angry, gullible, frustrated-in-life crowd swallowed it eagerly. It's another meaningless phrase like "make America great again" which the same crowd swallowed. by oldedude on January 5, 2023 12:13 pm I would add to this thread, but no one listens anyway, and being swampmonsters also, deny there's any problem with DC at all. They're in love with lying about bills and what people actually voted on, parts of bills that are put in specifically as a trade for special interests or payoffs for either prior or future votes. When the "military spending bill" is actually about half of the bill, where earmarks are the other half. Either bribes to vote for this bill, or a bribe to vote for their bill, or a bribe for a future bill. Where prior government or military workers are now hired as "Congressional 'consultants'" to leverage power of big businesses and special interests against the will of the people. by HatetheSwamp on January 5, 2023 12:31 pm Right, OD. This is one of the aspects of life in the DC culture that have oodles of people ticked. by Curt_Anderson on January 5, 2023 12:36 pm OD, Welcome to the America's democratic system of government! Those earmarks and special interest riders tacked onto legislation is how stuff gets done. If a senator votes for a bill of benefit to the American public because he wrangled for some local project of interest to his constituency, so be it. Bringing home the bacon (aka pork) is how politicians get re-elected. That bridge connecting Kentucky and Ohio that Biden and members of both parties touted yesterday is of no benefit to me or practically anybody else Oregon. If projects like that only happened if they were voted upon in isolation, it would only receive voters from the members of Congress representing Ohio and Kentucky. In other words, nothing would ever get built or get done. But in our form of government, our legislators make deals with their fellow legislators to accomplish something. by oldedude on January 5, 2023 12:41 pm As one of the anti-swampers, I think it's necessary that if a bill is entered as "military spending bill" EVERYTHING in the bill must be part of military spending. If it's labeled as an "Emergency funding for Hurricane Dipsht" there can be NO other article that deals with anything else. Including pork to put a highway to nowhere, or money to give congressional raises, or better healthcare, or whatever earmark they used to bribe people to support it. The idea actually hit a committee (Rules in the house) and was never brought up... The swamp killed it by never letting it leave and make sure it was dead by house rules. This is why I asked what else was in the "military spending bill" where donna said the GOP voted against the Afghan Translators. She thought I was stupid of asking what else was in the bill. THAT is the perfect picture of naivety (meaning when you look it up in the dictionary, there's a picture of curt, donna, and pondy). by islander on January 5, 2023 12:51 pm The term swamp, other than the ecosystem definition, has no precise meaning and when the meaning words is imprecise...So too is thought which is why Hate’s thoughts are so imprecise and fuzzy. Hate depends on imprecise language to hide behind in the hope that it will protect him being “found out” (that there is nothing there) !! LoL !! Here are a couple more interesting and often entertaining tidbits from Hate’s cohorts; Marjorie Taylor Greene: You know why I'm upset? Because Matt Gaetz, Lauren Boebert, and Scott Perry...walked in Kevin McCarthy's office last night and made their own personal demands....and guess what? The chairman of the Freedom Caucus negotiated nothing for me." “Politico’s Heidi Przybyla recalled that in his 2021 memoir, former Republican speaker John Boehner said of this faction: "What they're really interested in is chaos.… They want to throw sand in the gears of the hated federal government until it fails and they've finally proved that it's beyond saving." And they are tied tightly to right-wing media: "Every time they vote down a bill, they get another invitation to go on Fox News or talk radio," he said. "It's a narcissistic—and dangerous—feedback loop..." Then, of course we have plenty of good news from the “Good Guys” ! “With the same size majority as the GOP has now, Dems passed the American Rescue Plan, upgraded our infrastructure, reformed gun laws, funded veteran care, brought manufacturing jobs home, fought climate change and lowered healthcare costs. Republicans can't even choose a Speaker.” Brian Tyler Cohen 👍 by HatetheSwamp on January 5, 2023 1:03 pm isle, All these terms, like Swamp, have imprecise meanings. Liberal. Conservative. Progressive. Define them, eh!!!!!? The truth is that, ideologically, the argument taking place among GOPs, preventing the constitution of the New House membership is an argument between people who share an almost identical conservatism. These people are not arguing political ideology. Why it is you Blue MAGA Swampcultists want to pretend that there ain't no such thing as a Swamp amuses me. But, in the real world, the US House of Representatives is about to fail to elect a Speaker for the 9th time...for a real world reason. by HatetheSwamp on January 5, 2023 1:19 pm Thanks, Curt. I assume it's you who canceled the italics. by Ponderer on January 5, 2023 1:20 pm Wow. Not one, single, solitary example. As I totally predicted. Just wow. by HatetheSwamp on January 5, 2023 1:29 pm You're kidding, po, I hope! Feel free to argue that my example isn't a good one but to suggest I gave no example. Bizarre. Donna, Perhaps po needs a trip to the ER to have her mind evaluated. by Curt_Anderson on January 5, 2023 1:36 pm "All these terms, like Swamp, have imprecise meanings. Liberal. Conservative. Progressive. Define them, eh!!!!!?" --HtS You can find coherent definitions of "liberal", "conservative" and "progressive" in the dictionary. But the definitions of "the swamp" are vague and/or all over the place. Socialist have used the term to denounce capitalism. Reagan used it to denounce bureaucracy. Pat Buchanan used it to denounce the two major political parties (when he was a third party candidate). Basically "the swamp" is anything the speaker cannot fully understand and dislikes. Here's one definition that seems as close to any I've seen. drain the swamp A phrase used by political hacks to rally voters to their cause by promising to remove their respective governments of corrupt sycophants and replace them with corrupt sycophants that donated to their own political campaign. by HatetheSwamp on January 5, 2023 1:44 pm drain the swamp A phrase used by political hacks to rally voters to their cause by promising to remove their respective governments of corrupt sycophants and replace them with corrupt sycophants that donated to their own political campaign. Ah, bahahahahahahahahahaha! Thanks, Curt. Like a daily multivitamin, I need a good, strong dose of progressive Swampcult sanctimony from time to time. Hits the spot. Hoohoohoohoohoohoohoo Hoohoohoohoohoohoohoo heeheeheeheeheeheehee hahahahahahahahaha, ahhhhhhhhhhh. You da bomb! So, with the House GOPs, who are the hacks and who are the sycophants? by Curt_Anderson on January 5, 2023 1:55 pm "So, with the House GOPs, who are the hacks and who are the sycophants?" Since Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger left office, all of them. by Ponderer on January 5, 2023 2:01 pm Bullseye, Curt. by islander on January 5, 2023 2:05 pm ”All these terms, like Swamp, have imprecise meanings. Liberal. Conservative. Progressive. Define them, eh!!!!!?” ~ Hate You have just proved my point ! That’s exactly why YOU use the imprecise meaning in virtually all your posts including even your name ! Like I said ~ ”Hate depends on imprecise language to hide behind in the hope hopes that it will protect him being “found out” !! LoL !!” (and I don’t just mean swamp) Here’s the precise definition of swamp from the Oxford dictionary: /swɒmp/ /swɑːmp/ an area of ground that is very wet or covered with water and in which plants, trees, etc. are growing synonym marsh. by HatetheSwamp on January 5, 2023 2:21 pm You progressives and your unwillingness to engage reality. Fiddle with semantics all you like, isle. It's like word porn for you. Fine. However you role. In the real world, though, the US Congress has been shut down. By 21 people. There's a reason for it. Nuthin imprecise there. Just watch C-SPAN. Enjoy! I sure as heck am! by Curt_Anderson on January 5, 2023 2:26 pm HtS, I, like HtS, am enjoying the GOP House's display of futility and incompetence. Everyday in which the Republicans cannot wield the levers of power, America is better off. Not to mention, they are adding more stink with every failed Speaker vote to the already smelly Republican brand. That stink sticks to DeSantis, Trump and every other GOP 2024 presidential hopeful. by islander on January 5, 2023 2:37 pm "Fiddle with semantics all you like, isle. It's like word porn for you. Fine. However you role. In the real world, though, the US Congress has been shut down. By 21 people. There's a reason for it. Nuthin imprecise there. Just watch C-SPAN. Enjoy! I sure as heck am!" ~ Hate The word swamp is nothing at all like the word porn for me. I gave you the precise meaning of the word from the Oxford dictionary and that's how I use it and have always used it ! 👍 Imprecise language and non sequiturs are all you've got! Which is absolutely nothing !! LoL !!! by Ponderer on January 5, 2023 2:48 pm This is why I asked what else was in the "military spending bill" where donna said the GOP voted against the Afghan Translators. She thought I was stupid of asking what else was in the bill. - od If you're referring to the topic thread below, I didn't even comment on your comments. I checked all references to "spending bill" and nowhere did I ever call you or anyone stupid. Again, if you're going to claim that another poster said something, then at least post the topic thread. It's common etiquette. selectsmart.com by Donna on January 5, 2023 2:49 pm Oops, that ^ was my post. by HatetheSwamp on January 5, 2023 2:52 pm You don't UNDERSTAND how words work. "'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less. '" Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland "A rose by any other name would smell as sweet." William Shakespeare, Romeo and Juliet You can use any word you like. Congress has been shut down by 21 people. For a reason. UNDERSTAND???? by Donna on January 5, 2023 2:58 pm od - What was in the spending bill that prompted every Republican in Congress to vote against providing Medicare recipients with free vaccines and caps out-of-pocket insulin at $35 monthly starting in 2023 and out-of-pocket prescription drug costs at $2,000 annually? I'm sure that there are many articles on it. by islander on January 5, 2023 4:24 pm "You don't UNDERSTAND how words work." ~ Hate I understand PRECISELY how words work, and I know, in fact I think we all know how and why you use the words you do. by oldedude on January 5, 2023 4:53 pm "od - What was in the spending bill that prompted every Republican in Congress to vote against providing Medicare recipients with free vaccines and caps out-of-pocket insulin at $35 monthly starting in 2023 and out-of-pocket prescription drug costs at $2,000 annually? I'm sure that there are many articles on it." Again, what else was in the bill? Was this part of the 1.3 trillion dollar pedojoe fiasco? by HatetheSwamp on January 6, 2023 3:04 am isle, You think of the dictionary in exactly the same way Christian fundamentalists think of the Bible. What you don't UNDERSTAND is that it ain't. The Congress has been paralyzed by 21 people, no matter what you think the dictionary says. Real world, buddy. Real world. by islander on January 6, 2023 6:12 am ”You think of the dictionary in exactly the same way Christian fundamentalists think of the Bible.” ~ Hate No, that won’t work for you, I don’t think of the dictionary the way any “Christians” think of the Bible LoL ! An English dictionary is simply a reference book that lists English words in alphabetical order and provides us with their standard present day spelling, pronunciation, and meaning. Nothing mystical or supernaturally inspired about it. I have to say, the way you think and process information is as Pondy said, really “Weird” ! 🤪 Here’s the other part of your response to my explanation to you regarding the definition of swamp: ” The Congress has been paralyzed by 21 people, no matter what you think the dictionary says. Real world, buddy. Real world.” <---non sequitur Even 😀Smiley had to laugh at that feeble attempt of yours to use that to define swamp ! Smiley suggests that you find a dictionary and look up “non sequitur” LoL !!! I’m going to give you a hint at its meaning but I agree with 😀Smiley. I hope you do look up swamp in a dictionary (or even a book on ecology)! ”In Latin, non sequitur means "it does not follow." The phrase was borrowed into English in the 1500s by people who made a formal study of logic. For them, it meant a conclusion that does not follow from the statements that lead to it. But we now use non sequitur for any kind of statement that seems to come out of the blue.” Why not, instead of going through all your mental gymnastics, simply tell us in straightforward language that you call people you disagree with and hate, “the Swamp” !! 👍 by HatetheSwamp on January 6, 2023 6:47 am isle, pb's not concerned about the meaning of Swamp as a metaphor but he does realize that you're using the dictionary as a means of attempting to avoid the reality that 21 people have paralyzed your precious DC status quo. The truth is that 21 people have brought the federal government to its knees. Your quoting of the dictionary chapter and verse is the non sequitur. As much as you feign your journey into Idiotland, pb thinks that you really do UNDERSTAND. Bahahahahahahahahahaha, ahhhhhhhhhhh! by oldedude on January 6, 2023 7:14 am Lead et.al., DC was actually built on a swamp. Literally. They had to fill in the "Foggy Bottom" swamp to build the city. Washington didn't want the Capital to be in any state. That way, no state could expect extraordinary favors over others. It's pretty obvious isle has never seen or been by a swamp. First, they really stink. Everything that died in there are rotting for a long time. There are pits everywhere that you just get sucked up in. Things that will kill you abound. The snakes are huge here. Gators are fast on land, but their hunting ground is in or near the putrid dead and dying things. The same thing goes for the geographic location. by islander on January 6, 2023 7:25 am ”pb's not concerned about the meaning of Swamp as a metaphor” 😀Smiley laughed out loud at “pb’s” attempt at deflection! Hate apparently forgot what this thread is about !! It’s about ‘this’...From Ponderer’s opening statement: Hate goes on and on about it, but he has never once been able to give any kind of specific definition of it, or what it is exactly that the "Anti Swamp" is actually fighting against. They and Hate just blabber on about "The Swamp!", "McCarthy is The Swamp!", "Biden is The Swamp!", "Media is The Swamp!", "I'm against The Swamp!", "Anyone who isn't like me is The Swamp!". by islander on January 6, 2023 7:28 am od...As far as your understanding of swamps goes...read this and educate yourself. "Swamps are among the most valuable ecosystems on Earth. They act like giant sponges or reservoirs. When heavy rains cause flooding, swamps and other wetlands absorb excess water, moderating the effects of flooding. Swamps also protect coastal areas from storm surges that can wash away fragile coastline." education.nationalgeographic.org by HatetheSwamp on January 6, 2023 7:41 am isle, As Rush used to always say, "I live in Realville." pb lives down the street from Rush's old house...in Realville. Bahahahahahahahahahaha. Those 21 who've paralyzed Congress and are being laughed at and mocked and, yet, remain steadfast, remain steadfast because they passionately despise the smelly, dysfunctional DC status quo that you love so. And, they appear to be willing to go to the wall to take a swipe at your Swamp. Real world, buddy. Real effin world! Keeheeheeheeheeheeheehee hoohoohoohoohoohoohoo ha, ahhhhhhhhhhh! Paralyzed Congress. Hoohoohoohoohoohoohoo hoohoohoohoohoohoohoo heeheeheeheeheeheehee hahahahahahahahaha, ahhhhhhhhhhh! by islander on January 6, 2023 8:56 am ”As Rush used to always say, "I live in Realville." pb lives down the street from Rush's old house...in Realville.” ~ Hate So, like you, pb is also a ditto head? From the Urban Dictionary: Ditto Head ”Any person who loves the Rush Limbaugh radio show. Ditto heads totally agree with Rush's opinions and stand behind him without question. The word ditto was first used by a caller on his show who agreed with the accolades given Rush by a previous caller. The praise Rush was given by callers was becoming too long winded and Rush promoted the use of ditto by his callers as a means to be brief and to show their approval at the same time. I really love Rush Limbaugh so I guess you could call me a (ditto head)” 😀Smiley just told me that the last sentence in the definition sounds like it could have been written by Hate describing himself !! LoL !!! by HatetheSwamp on January 6, 2023 9:22 am I am a dittohead. But, the definition is off. A dittohead is someone who found Rush entertaining. pb's waaaaaaaaaay too moderate to have agreed with Rush and, isle, Rush was the epitome of the GOP Swamp. But, honestly, isle, pb mentioned Rush because he knows you have no self control. He knew you'd go bonkers... ...and... ...you did. Bahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahaha hoohoohoohoohoohoohoo heeheeheeheeheeheehee hahahahahahahahaha hoohoohoohoohoohoohoo heeheeheeheeheeheehee heeheeheeheeheeheehee hahahahahahahahaha hoohoohoohoohoohoohoo heeheeheeheeheeheehee hahahahahahahahaha, ahhhhhhhhhhh! by islander on January 6, 2023 9:31 am Ok. So we can add Rush Limbaugh to the list of people and things you hate and describe as "the swamp". by Donna on January 6, 2023 9:42 am Congress to vote against providing Medicare recipients with free vaccines and caps out-of-pocket insulin at $35 monthly starting in 2023 and out-of-pocket prescription drug costs at $2,000 annually? I'm sure that there are many articles on it." Again, what else was in the bill? Was this part of the 1.3 trillion dollar pedojoe fiasco? - od You tell me. You implied that no Republicans voted for those improvements on Medicare coverage because there were other things in the bill they oppose. You're just as able to research that as I am. So finish your argument. by HatetheSwamp on January 6, 2023 9:51 am No. Nuance, buddy. I'll be a dittohead til the day I die. And, I do live right down the street from Rush's old domicile in REALVILLE...where historic reality of today is that 21 GOPs have paralyzed the US Congress. Bahahahahahahahahahaha! by Donna on January 6, 2023 10:07 am islander - Hts gets off on arguing and fighting and tearing everything down, even our democracy. It's no different than a football game to him. by HatetheSwamp on January 6, 2023 10:23 am Not at all, Donna. pb's beginning to realize that he, very simply, reasons with greater sophistication than some others here. Clearly, pb doesn't suffer fools easily. by Donna on January 6, 2023 10:44 am LOL! You couldn't even name one piece of legislation you'd like to see your supposed anti-swampers put into law until od came up with resolving the immigration/border situation. And even then, neither of you guys were aware that the Freedom Caucus put forth such a bill in 2018 which they still want to pass. All you want is drama. by oldedude on January 6, 2023 10:52 am There is also another one on the table. You didn't mention that either since you are whining about all the time and energy you had to spend "investigating" this. There are several things, some you may never hear of because they don't get to the floor. Why should I waste my time on that? by Donna on January 6, 2023 10:59 am I wasn't able to find a new immigration bill. The only one I found was the one I posted on that was written in 2018 and which died in Congress. Do you have a link to the new bill that you said is on the table, od? by oldedude on January 6, 2023 12:05 pm "What was in the spending bill that prompted every Republican in Congress to vote against providing Medicare recipients with free vaccines and caps out-of-pocket insulin at $35 monthly starting in 2023 and out-of-pocket prescription drug costs at $2,000 annually? I'm sure that there are many articles on it." First, I'm really happy to know you're using his correct name. I realized the sheep here are swampcreatures. Anything to correct the situation is constantly countered by Curt, who supports the graft and corruption. isle never understands it anyway. Some lawmakers voiced complaints about the turnaround time to read the bill that contains $858 billion in defense spending and $772.5 billion in non-defense discretionary spending. Republican North Carolina Rep. Dan Bishop pointed to certain provisions of the bill in a lengthy Twitter thread in the afternoon, calling them "egregious." -The bill includes about $45 billion for Ukraine, higher than the $37.7 billion the White House requested. The increase in funding comes as there have been concerns about the level of support next year from a Republican-led House, in which some conservatives are critical of the aid. For you and me, this is a non-issue. We both support the funding. The real issue is this is a white-hot issue in both chambers of congress, and tempers are flaring over hiding it in this bill. It should have come out either in a separate bill, or in its own. -About $3 million goes toward the Pollinator-Friendly Practices on Roadsides and Highway Rights-of-Way Program, according to the bill. -One earmark included in the spending bill asks for $3.6 million for a project called "Michelle Obama Trail – PATH Trail Project" in Georgia. -In another section, the behemoth bill requires $410 million to "remain available" to reimburse Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt, Tunisia and Oman for "enhanced border security." At least $150 million of that must go to Jordan, according to the bill. by oldedude on January 6, 2023 2:21 pm In the last section "-In another section, the behemoth bill requires $410 million to "remain available" to reimburse Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt, Tunisia and Oman for "enhanced border security." At least $150 million of that must go to Jordan, according to the bill." ONLY Jordan and Oman have governments we support. Lebanon is ran by whoknowswho at any point, Egypt is run by the Islamic Brotherhood (a terrorist organization that promises to help wipe the US off the face of the earth), and Tunisia is the home of Ansar al-Sharia in Tunisia; Islamic State of Iraq and ash-Sham (ISIS) network in Tunisia; al-Qa'ida in the Islamic Maghreb, all recognized globally as networks of terrorism). by islander on January 6, 2023 2:57 pm I love the way our resident Trump supporters try to make a big stink about things they think will enrage other people like themselves! They “assume” most people are as ignorant about these things as they are, which is probably true if by “most people” they mean people like themselves who get most of their information from Fox News and other right wing celebrities, pundits, and talking heads! LoL Here’s what they don’t get..The rest are fully aware of and understand what that the $410 million to "remain available" to reimburse Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt, Tunisia and Oman for "enhanced border security is not to keep immigrants out or why we this is being done for what is in our own best interest and for our own security. Then of course when we spend money on preserving a nature trail they see red, and bright red if it‘s named after Michell Obama ! Lol !!! We anti Trump folks actually like and admire Michell Obama and we like our National and State Parks, our wilderness areas, and our hiking trails... I wonder if any of them have ever been been to and enjoyed any of these these our National treasures that we and our children can and do use and enjoy. They seem to have no idea what that’s all about or why it’s important! While I found living next to Everglades National Park absolutely wonderful (most Trump supporters probably see it as a ‘swamp”) we moved back home to New England, right next to Acadia National Park which feels much more familiar to me but both, as I said, are some of our national treasures! by Donna on January 6, 2023 3:57 pm od: I goofed when I said that the Medicare coverage enhancements were part of the "spending bill". Actually they were part of the Inflation Reduction Act of 2022 which was added as an amendment to Build Back Better. Anyhow, no Republicans in either chamber voted for the Inflation Reduction Act of 2022. So my question becomes What did Republican lawmakers find so objectionable in the Inflation Reduction Act of 2022 that caused all of them not to vote for those improvements to Medicare coverage? I'll see if I can find the reason. by Donna on January 6, 2023 4:29 pm I Googled "Inflation Reduction Act" and only found 2 hits from Republican media sources, Fox Business and Breitbart (links below). Breitbart complained that it might make the US complicit in Chinese enslavement of Uyghurs, which to me seems to be a shaky reason being that Uyghurs are already enslaved by China and already make many products that are sold in the US. Fox Business complained that it "amounts to one of the biggest tax increases in decades" (although those tax increases won't be felt by working class Americans), complained that it allocated an addition $80 billion for the IRS (badly needed IMO, since it has been revealed that the reason Trump's taxes weren't audited was because the IRS doesn't have the manpower to audit complicated tax returns; I wonder how many very wealthy Americans have been getting away with cheating the US) and that it's effect on inflation would be little if any according to a non-partisan board (okay, but IMO there's a lot of good in the bill, so who cares unless the cost outweighs the benefits, which IMO they don't). foxbusiness.com breitbart.com by oldedude on January 6, 2023 5:31 pm "Here’s what they don’t get..The rest are fully aware of and understand what that the $410 million to "remain available" to reimburse Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt, Tunisia and Oman for "enhanced border security is not to keep immigrants out or why we this is being done for what is in our own best interest and for our own security." Honestly, you're the MOST unaware person I know, or have known in the past 30 years. And your "heros" you use, show it. You're a rank beginner at domestic or international political question. So like everyone else that is a novice, you believe that our enemies will actually use the money for what we send it for. Having been to Jordan and Oman, it seems like they will. They both have a terrorist problem, although Oman has never been hit. Like I've said before, Omani's really like they're Sultan, a rare thing in the Middle East. Jordan is held by a Monarchy, but he likes us so there's that. I know your bleeding heart wants to give the terrorists money to take us down, that's pretty evident. Why is that and the obomber thing wrapped up in this? Along with the Ukrainian money (which I discussed earlier)? These are pork fat. For those that love us wasting money, they're good things. For those supporting terrorism and the end of our way of life, they'd support openly giving money to terrorists. The end of the story is that it's not up to you, a supporter of loose money to anyone without oversight. I explained why THEY did not like the bill. I disagree with some of the other things they are whining about. So don't come to me, contact your congressperson. Oh, yeah. they're just like you... by islander on January 7, 2023 6:16 am ”Honestly, you're the MOST unaware person I know, or have known in the past 30 years. And your "heros" you use, show it. You're a rank beginner at domestic or international political question.” od Lol !!! That’s your response to my post? Most of your posts here make you sound like a belligerent drunk sitting alone in the back of a bar arguing with yourself. Lol !!! For example: You write, ”So like everyone else that is a novice, you believe that our enemies will actually use the money for what we send it for.” The only time a scenario like that could take place would be one where you are sitting at the bar arguing with your imaginary opponent. You have been called out on this kind of nonsense countless times. You have no idea who “my” heroes are and your nonsense about what you imagine “I” believe is simply that...An imaginary figment of your own creation. by islander on January 7, 2023 6:35 am "islander - Hts gets off on arguing and fighting and tearing everything down, even our democracy. It's no different than a football game to him.” ~ Donna I think we all know that, which is why long ago I realized the folly in seriously expecting much from Hate or od with regard to having any kind of rational or reasonable dialogue with them. 👍 by HatetheSwamp on January 7, 2023 6:51 am "islander - Hts gets off on arguing and fighting and tearing everything down, even our democracy. It's no different than a football game to him.” ~ Donna Thanks for highlighting this, isle. I missed the important part the first time around. Since this Speaker brouhaha started, pb has been on the verge of orgasm as the Freedom Caucus struggled, in the face of SwampMedia and SwampDem and SwampGOP sneers, because, if they succeeded, the House would end up being radically democratic, which it now is. No. pb doesn't argue or fight or tear down our democracy. Nuthin could be more obvious. What pb does all of those things toward is the Swamp! Donna's just stumbled into acknowledging that she equates our democracy with the Swamp! Niiiiice! by oldedude on January 7, 2023 7:22 am Remember, Marxism is the "only" way to defend our Constitution! Go To Top

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