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Excellent Ruling from En Banc Eleventh Circuit on School Trans Bathrooms
By HatetheSwamp
January 3, 2023 8:45 am
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In a stroke of judicial sanity, the en banc Eleventh Circuit ruled last Thursday (in Adams v. School Board of St. Johns County) that a public school does not violate the Equal Protection Clause or Title IX when it separates school bathroom based on sex. It rejected the claims brought by Drew Adams, a so-called “transgender boy”—i.e., a girl who identifies as a boy—who objected to being barred from the boys’ restrooms and to instead having the choice to use either the girls’ restrooms or the single-stall restrooms that the school made available for students who preferred not to use the restrooms that correspond with their sex...

Justice Thurgood Marshall observed, “a sign that says ‘men only’ looks very different on a bathroom door than a courthouse door.” That the protection of individual privacy will sometimes require segregation between the sexes is “beyond doubt,” as then-professor Ruth Bader Ginsburg recognized in her advocacy of the Equal Rights Amendment. “It is no surprise, then, that the privacy afforded by sex-separated bathrooms has been widely recognized throughout American history and jurisprudence.” “The Supreme Court acknowledged this when it stated [in an opinion by Justice Ginsburg] that admitting women to the Virginia Military Institute for the first time ‘would undoubtedly require alterations necessary to afford members of each sex privacy from the other sex in living arrangements.’”


Donna,

This is an example of an article that is heavier on expressing opinion than on reporting fact. It's not journalism...

Just so you understand that pb knows the difference...and is honest about it.

BTW, this is how a republic works. This law is the work product of "the people and their representatives."


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Comments on "Excellent Ruling from En Banc Eleventh Circuit on School Trans Bathrooms":

  1. by Donna on January 3, 2023 9:18 am

    It's an opinion piece commenting on a court ruling. Opinion journalism is still considered journalism. See link.

    Actually I think sex-designated restrooms are silly. Rather, as long as the bathroom stalls have doors, IMO there should be separate restrooms marked "urinals" and "stalls".

    The only places where there can be control over which sex-designated restroom someone can use are where there's documentation listing the sex of everyone who might use a restroom, like at a school.

    I have no problem with the ruling.





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  2. by Donna on January 3, 2023 9:18 am

    It's an opinion piece commenting on a court ruling. Opinion journalism is still considered journalism. See link.

    Actually I think sex-designated restrooms are silly. Rather, as long as the bathroom stalls have doors, IMO there should be separate restrooms marked "urinals" and "stalls".

    The only places where there can be control over which sex-designated restroom someone can use are where there's documentation listing the sex of everyone who might use a restroom, like at a school.

    I have no problem with the ruling.





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  3. by HatetheSwamp on January 3, 2023 9:51 am

    Opinion journalism is journalism in the broad sense of the term, indeed. But, the expressing of opinion is not the same thing as detailing fact. I know that. You're the person who, in the past, cited an ACLU article as an objective accounting of fact. I continue to doubt that you can distinguish between the expression of an opinion with which you agree and the objective description of reality.


  4. by Donna on January 3, 2023 10:00 am

    "...the expressing of opinion is not the same thing as detailing fact."

    Of course. But that wasn't your original point, which was incorrect.

    I don't remember what I said in my post about that ACLU ruling, but based on your past record, I think you're probably mistaken.


  5. by HatetheSwamp on January 3, 2023 10:12 am

    It's been my point...FOR MONTHS!

    The ACLU thing was an article in the aftermath of the Dobbs decision.


  6. by Donna on January 3, 2023 10:34 am

    I found the topic thread where I commented on the ACLU opinion on the Dobbs case. It's the Amy Klobuchar topic thread I just bumped to the top.

    As I suspected, your memory about what I posted, "You're the person who, in the past, cited an ACLU article as an objective accounting of fact", as I suspected, is incorrect. I basically said that the ACLU doesn't agree with the SC's majority ruling on Dobbs.

    If I were a petulant person like you, I'd respond by lying about things you said in old posts to get back at you, but I prefer the way I'm handling it.


  7. by HatetheSwamp on January 3, 2023 11:57 am

    Donna,

    I'm impressed you found it. My characterization of the way you used this article containing the opinions of raging progressives is, essentially accurate.


  8. by Donna on January 3, 2023 12:42 pm

    "I'm impressed you found it."

    You're easily impressed. Actually it was very easy. You're just lazy.

    And I'm quite used to your "characterizations" *snicker*.






  9. by oldedude on January 4, 2023 6:52 am
    I agree that "opinion" is not fact. It may be based on "fact," but is the writers' view of those facts which are, by definition, distorted by the writer (for good or bad, depending on the reader).

    If a person truly is trans (even prior to therapies, etc), I don't have a problem with it. The biggest issue I have is with (usually males) that claim to be trans, and are actually perps. The cases in VA as an example. How do you prevent that? I don't know.


  10. by Donna on January 4, 2023 7:01 am

    Frauds can be found in every segment of society. If we let that dissuade us from making life more pleasant for the majority, the majority wouldn't get the help they need.


  11. by oldedude on January 4, 2023 7:50 am
    I agree, and perps figured this one out fast (as you would expect). I don't think this is a "pleasantry" though. It's a matter of safety and victimizing (generally) females. That's why I'm mixed on this. How to make a safer accommodation for those I believe should have the means.


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