by Curt_Anderson on December 24, 2022 5:42 pm
OD,
HtS falsely claimed past presidents got away with doing the same thing as Trump. You apparently think that other people including non-presidents got away with what Trump did.
You are attempting to defend Trump's Mar-a-Lago trove of stolen and mishandled classified documents with a what-aboutism defense. Well, what about it? I would be happy if Trump is treated like other people who were accused of doing what he did. Here are some examples:
April 2005 – Former U.S. national security adviser Sandy Berger pleaded guilty to knowingly removing classified documents from the National Archives and Records Administration. Berger was ordered to pay a $50,000 fine and give up his security clearance for three years.
March 2013 –Retired Lieutenant Colonel Benjamin Pierce Bishop was arrested in Hawaii and charged with one count of unlawfully retaining documents related to the national defense and one count of willfully communicating national defense information to a person not entitled to receive such information. Bishop pleaded guilty in March 2014. He was sentenced to more than seven years in prison followed by three years of supervised release.
March 2015 – Retired U.S. Army General David Petraeus, a former CIA director, pleaded guilty to one count of unauthorized removal and retention of classified material. Petraeus was sentenced to two years of probation and a $100,000 fine.
July 2015 – U.S. Navy reservist Bryan Nishimura was sentenced to two years of probation and a $7,500 fine after he pleaded guilty to downloading and storing classified documents from his deployment to Afghanistan in 2007-2008 on his personal devices and media.
August 2016 – Former National Security Agency contractor Harold Martin was arrested for what federal prosecutors described as a theft of top-secret government information that was “breathtaking in its longevity and scale." Martin was sentenced to nine years in prison, followed by three years of supervised release.
January 2017 – Former defense contractor and sailor Weldon Marshall was arrested for unlawfully retaining classified information, stored on compact discs and computer hard drives that he kept at his home in Texas. Marshall pleaded guilty in March 2018. He was sentenced in June 2018 to more than three years in prison followed by a year of supervised release.
January 2018 – Former CIA officer Jerry Chun Shing Lee, also known as Zhen Cheng Li, was arrested on charges of unlawful retention of national defense information. Lee pleaded guilty and was sentenced in November 2019 to 19 years in prison for conspiring to communicate, deliver and transmit national defense information to China.
May 2018 – Former CIA contractor Reynaldo Regis pleaded guilty to charges of unauthorized removal and retention of classified materials, as well as to making false statements to federal law enforcement officers. Prosecutors said during his time at the CIA, Reyes conducted unauthorized searches of classified databases and copied the information into dozens of notebooks, which he then took home. In November 2018, Reyes was sentenced to 90 days in jail. Regis’ lawyer later told the Associated Press and other news outlets that his client “had no nefarious purpose. It was just a mistake.”
August 2019 – Former National Security Agency (NSA) employee Elizabeth Jo Shirley was arrested in Mexico City on charges of parental kidnapping and was later charged with retaining top secret documents on her electronic devices, both in Mexico and some stored at her home in West Virginia. She was sentenced in January 2021 to more than eight years in prison for the willful retention of national defense information. She was also sentenced to three years in prison on the kidnapping charges.
June 2020 — Investigators conducted a search of the Hawaii home of Asia Janay Lavarello, a U.S. Defense Department employee, following her return from a temporary assignment to the U.S. Embassy in Manila. Lavarello pleaded guilty to knowingly removing classified information in July 2021. She was sentenced in February 2022 to three months in prison and a $5,500 fine.
May 2021 – Kendra Kingsbury, an employee at the FBI’s Kansas City division, was indicted on two counts of having unauthorized possession of documents relating to the national defense. Kingsbury faces a maximum of up to 10 years in federal prison.
by oldedude on December 24, 2022 8:03 pm
You are attempting to defend Trump's Mar-a-Lago trove of stolen and mishandled classified documents with a what-aboutism defense.
You need to really check your sht. I had a couple of points that you're too biased to comprehend. 1. I'm really hoping that Trump gets politically ruined. That will clear the lanes for several of the better candidates, and the primaries will not be an "us vs them" scenario. I stated that in my fukking post. You should have read it before making that accusation.
My point which apparently you can't understand is there is such a thing as "Case law." It's that nasty little thing that uses cases in the past and their punishment. PLEASE READ THIS QUOTE BEFORE CITING BLATANT ERRORS AND LIES
"Mar-a-lago is a different story. The issue with classified is the dims have supported classified leaks in the past (manning/ berger/ clinton, etc). That makes a difference also. I'm sure he has classified (which I'm also sure he won't admit to or cop a plea deal) So this is more about finding an illegality in the case. I've never liked that defense, but it's legal, so I'll deal with it. Will he get jail time? I don't think so. Will it affect his chances to run for prez? Hopefully. That would settle a pretty big issue for me without having to do anything."
It's interesting you pull something out of your ear (since it's attached to your arse) and chose to lie about it. I thought I was very fair about what I said, and what I think will happen. If I were Trumps lawyers, that's what I would do. You often (purposefully) mistake an analytical point of view as my own.
Maybe I need to be like lead. One psuedo-identity for another. But it can't be as lame as isles. Maybe you'll be able to understand that better. I generally throw out possibilities. In the last sentence or two, I'll say what I "Want" or "think" will happen. They are two entirely different things. Yes, I can actually raise questions about how I am thinking so I throw out the best scenario. In the people that I write for, it's extremely clear what I want to happen, how I got there, and their options. They may agree with me or not.
In my Task Force days, I was and equal to the Case Agents and I made a lot of decisions based on lawfulness and evidence from my end. If they chose to go forward, I would work on what they had and could prove in court. NOT about your hearsay.
by HatetheSwamp on December 25, 2022 4:17 am
You are attempting to defend Trump's Mar-a-Lago trove of stolen and mishandled classified documents with a what-aboutism defense.
Read OD's post with care. Honestly, bubba! We both don't support Trump. We both do support other candidates. We both think that Mar-a-Lago is serious. We both hope that Mar-a-Lago gets Trump in deep doodoo. And, with our clear minds, doubt that it will.
Here's how you can know that your thinking is impaired by TDS. OD and pb have always been abundantly clear on all of these truths. Our only "support" of Trump has been criticism of the fascist behavior of the DOJ.
One symptom of TDS is the belief that rational, fact based, opposition to Trump is actually support of Trump. Anyone who cares about the Constitution and justice and due process even for someone as despicable as Trump, in the mind of a TDS sufferer, is a Trump lover. That's you, my friend.
by oldedude on December 26, 2022 2:21 am
I can live with that. well said.
Especially the part where every time we make a question the "legality" of an overly zealous DOJ, we love Trump. I don't see how that works. Earlier, I went as far as to say that I may hate the person. the point is that any abuse of the system is an abuse of power. By either side. I have never been able to have any sheeple to admit there is abuse of DOJ.
You can read the entire report or find excerpts of it on most news sites---maybe not on FOX News, but in plenty of places elsewhere.
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