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Donald Trump is an ignoramus about US History.
By Curt_Anderson
December 4, 2022 11:39 am
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"A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution," he continued. "Our great 'Founder' did not want, and would not condone, False & Fraudulent Elections!" ---Donald Trump

I am not sure who Trump means by "our great Founder". Whether he has one particular Founder in mind or is thinking of the men collectively known as the Founding Fathers or Founders, he knows next to nothing about our first elections.

Trump has complained about early voting. He has said the elections should be held om one day, the first Tuesday in November. The first U.S. presidential election was held over a period of weeks from December 1788 to January 1789.

In our nation's first elections, Washington ran unopposed. He won election with with 69 and 132 votes. If those numbers seem low to you, that's because there was not universal public vote then. Many electors were chosen by state legislatures instead of public balloting. In the states that did have a public ballot, it was limited, to white male landowners.

Of course, Trump also wrong that Twitter or Biden's campaign rigged the election. Twitter has a First Amendment right to publish or not publish as they see fit. The government did not force or coerce Twitter to quash the Hunter Biden report (that would be unconstitutional). Many news outlets and websites reported it. Biden's campaign, a private entity, made the request of Twitter, which after deliberation they honored. (Btw, most websites including this one, have a way for individuals to flag content that they object to)

It is the job of campaigns to the extent possible control what is and isn't reported. Campaigns routinely complain about unfavorable news coverage. That included Trump's campaign. For example, Trump's campaign demanded that CNN apologize for reporting on a poll that had Biden beating Trump. On election night, the Trump White House went ballistic and demanded a retraction when Fox News called Arizona for Biden.

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  1. by HatetheSwamp on December 4, 2022 11:46 am


    I copied the whole Trump Truth Social post. Read the d@mn post. He doesn't mention a single "Founder." He says, "Our great “Founders” did not want, and would not condone, False & Fraudulent Elections!"

    He's exactly right.

  2. by Curt_Anderson on December 4, 2022 12:06 pm
    Trump later edited his Truth Social post to make Founders plural. FOX News quoted Trump exactly as I did. See link.

    Nobody today would consider the elections held when our Founders were in charge to be fair. So there's that. As for false and fraudulent elections nobody now or then would say aloud they favor them. But my sense of the Founders is that they were gentlemanly enough to not whine and resort to unproven and unfounded claims of a false and fraudulent election. That's not to say they wouldn't manipulate the press to tarnish political rivals.

  3. by HatetheSwamp on December 4, 2022 3:04 pm

    So, you're doing TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP over a typo!!!!!?

  4. by Curt_Anderson on December 4, 2022 4:16 pm
    You are the one who made a big deal about my correctly noting that Trump referred to "our great Founder", singular in his post.

    Where Trump (and you) really showed ignorance and hypocrisy is his insistence that the 2020 election is false and fraudulent because Twitter didn't publish the Hunter Biden story at the apparent request off the Biden campaign.

    As I said above and elsewhere it's the job of political campaigns to try and control media coverage of their candidate. Ultimately it was Twitter's decision and right to NOT publish, just as it was the NY Post's decision and right TO publish.

    If it were illegal (it's not) or unconstitutional (it's not) for the Biden campaign to try to influence Twitter then Trump's campaign was guilty of the same thing. Trump's attempt to influence the media isn't limited to Twitter. Trump filed a $475 million lawsuit against CNN for calling out his lies. That's an obvious attempt to control the media coverage not just CNN but media outlets that don't have deep pockets to fight a lawsuit, even a frivolous one like Trump's.

  5. by HatetheSwamp on December 5, 2022 4:32 am

    You're misrepresenting me, Curt.

    pb noted that there's something quintessentially Jeffersonian about Trump’s call for the setting aside the Constitution. pb never claimed that the collusion was illegal or even unconstitutional. pb is always preaching the Constitution. He certainly disagrees with OrangeMan on this.

    This, in effect, proves what pb's been saying all along. If Elon Musk had not begun to spill these beans, Twitter and "that feckless dementia-ridden piece of crap" and the Dems and SwampMedia would have gotten away with the collusion.

    The 020 election was filthy. It was, as po'd say, effin, RIGGED. By the time Musk, and House GOPs, turn off the spigot, that will be clear to all but the most unconscionable Good Germans (wink wink)!

    Still, even pb can't say that the election was stolen.

  6. by Curt_Anderson on December 5, 2022 8:05 am
    You mentioned Thomas Jefferson. Jefferson and his fellow founding fathers were not above, leaning on, or even manipulating the press. During Jefferson’s campaign against John Adams, both men used the press to levy insults at each other. Jefferson-allied papers accused President Adams of being a hermaphrodite and a hypocrite, while Adams’ camp attacked Jefferson’s racial heritage, accusing him of being “the son of a half-breed Indian squaw, sired by a Virginia mulatto father” as well as an atheist and libertine. But though Jefferson’s relationship with the press was complicated, he was still a staunch advocate for press freedom, stating “the only security of all is in a free press.”

  7. by HatetheSwamp on December 5, 2022 9:10 am

    Nice try, my Good German friend. This doesn't compare.

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