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Bill Maher delivers American democracy's epitath

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by oldedude on November 5, 2022 8:10 am
I think it was getting real when the burnieboy hierarchy was talking about putting conservatives in "re-education camps," Indy was claiming the civil war had already started (ofwhich he was a willing participant), pedojoe was doaling out favors to his family as VP, and he wanted to circumvent the constitution by putting RvW back by presidential edict (sorry, presidential executive order).

This is the same scare tactic that is always used by a party that has nothing positive to show the electorate. No plan that worked, a "relief" act they said would not cost anything (that is costing millions), adding to the demise of the US and our cities that even dictators are amazed at.

"When you look how the cities are eroding so fast, this has to be by design. I mean who would make so many stupid decisions?" Bukele asked. "They're literally giving some people drugs in some us cities, or they say we're going to give you money if you don't work. They make all these laws that make no sense. If they have high crime, they say okay I have a solution, let's defund the police."

"They make these decisions openly," he continued. "It's not even [a] secret and we all know what will be the consequences of it. The defunding of the police, allowing shoplifting, giving drugs to drug addicts, giving money to people to stop work[ing], what will be the consequences? You'll destroy society, you'll destroy the city, you'll destroy the economy…and it's already happening."

"El Salvador President Nayib Bukele, who managed to transform his country from the murder capital of the world into one of most innovative in all of Latin America, said that he would no longer feel safe living in most modern American cities as violent crime and misguided policies have turned them unrecognizable.

Bukele made the comment in a wide-ranging interview on Fox Nation’s "Tucker Carlson Today," where he joined the Fox News primetime host to discuss law and order and how his government's efforts to combat the stranglehold MS-13 had on the country effectively drove the murder rate down by 75% since he took office."

"The demise of the U.S. has to come from within. No external enemy can cause this much damage," Bukele said. "When you're watching internal operations here you can see cities that were pristinely beautiful 30 years ago [and] are a wasteland right now."

"I mean, I'm from El Salvador, a third-world country in Central America, and I myself see cities here and say I wouldn't live here. That would be unthinkable three decades ago, that a Salvadoran wouldn't want to live in a U.S. main city," he told Carlson, pointing to cities like Los Angeles, San Francisco, Philadelphia, Baltimore, New York and Chicago, where he said he would fear for his safety."

"You would think 'how could they be so dumb.' Of course, they're not," he added. "They're very smart. It's by design. There's no other logical explanation."

I'm thinking that like him or not, he knows what it takes to take down a nation. We might want to listen to him.

foxnews.com

by oldedude on November 5, 2022 9:46 am
Oh, and don't forget when Trump was elected. The libbings were already rioting in DC and other cities. It was bad enough the Federal government in the area put everyone on videoconferencing for meetings that were supposed to be downtown, and optional work from home if you either lived in the District, or worked in the district.

So much for Maher's "Peaceful Change of Government" in 2016/2017. The sheep will tell you that "nothing to see here, nothing to see..."

Oh, just to tell you how stupid the "protesters" were, the limo was owned by an immigrant that lost his entire livelihood when his sole source of income was torched. The story does have a semi happy ending though. A CONSERVATIVE owner of a limo service in the LA area, donated one of his older limos to replace the one these morons burned. There was even enough for the Muslim immigrant in DC to have money for gas, etc to get home. Well done sheep!

Black-clad activists among hundreds of demonstrators protesting Donald Trump’s swearing-in on Friday clashed with police a few blocks from the White House, in an outburst of violence rare for an inauguration.

At least 217 people were arrested in the melees, police said.

The burst of civil disorder followed a fierce presidential campaign that ended in a stunning victory for Republican Trump over Democrat Hillary Clinton on Nov. 8 and left the country divided.

Many of Trump’s supporters traveled to Washington to cheer their new president on Inauguration Day. Tens of thousands of detractors are expected to march peacefully on Saturday.

In the violence, knots of activists in black clothes and masks threw rocks and bottles at officers wearing riot gear, who responded with volleys of tear gas and stun grenades as a helicopter hovered low overhead.

At one flash point, a protester hurled an object through the passenger window of a police van, which sped away in reverse as demonstrators cheered. Earlier, activists used chunks of pavement and baseball bats to shatter the windows of a Bank of America branch and a McDonald’s outlet, all symbols of American capitalism.

Multiple vehicles were set on fire, including a black limousine. A knot of people dragged garbage cans into a street a few blocks from the White House and set them ablaze, later throwing a red cap bearing Trump’s “Make America Great Again” campaign slogan into the flames.

Police said six officers were injured in scuffles with protesters. The people arrested would be held overnight before making court appearances on Saturday, Peter Newsham, interim chief of the Metropolitan Police Department, told a news conference. Newsham added that police would continue to monitor security around the night’s celebrations."

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by Donna on November 5, 2022 12:21 pm

Okay, now how about something that's on topic, you know, about what Bill Maher said.

by oldedude on November 6, 2022 12:26 am
That was... The dims and the sheep are destroying the Republic. Simple as that. Contrary to sheeple belief.

by Donna on November 6, 2022 7:14 am

If you aren't going to comment on Bill Maher's commentary, then I'm not interested in what you post.

by oldedude on November 6, 2022 8:38 am
I did. He's dead wrong. I'll say it again. It's the dims and the sheep that are destroying this Republic. Bukele is correct. Is that direct enough for you? And I referenced Mahr in my post. That he was stating zero facts as usual when talking to a sheep. And you fell for it hook, line, and sinker.

Diesel fuel is at critical points NOW. And we haven't even gotten into the winter months (not that you care about the New England states), where their costs are going up at least 30% this year. Along with that, trucks will be low on transportation fuel, so food will go up another 50%+. I know you don't care about anyone else, but you might want to think about this as it relates to you.

I will agree on one thing. This is scary. I think we are on the verge of a civil war. But this is not going to be a North/South thing. It will be the meanest, most vile of humanity against sheep for resources. Gas, food, clean water, shelter. Ask isle and indy. They're both wanting this. They actually think they can win this but have never seen true evil. Good luck with that. And remember, in civil war, there are no rules of engagement. Burn a family in their house? no big deal. It's time expedient and labor efficient. Unless of course you can take the girls and women to trade for resources you need.

Where you live, life will be taken over by the cartels. They have their own punishments. If you're lucky, you can overdose on their fentanyl and die quickly.

by Curt_Anderson on November 6, 2022 8:45 am
You are right the Trafalgar group are pretty good pollsters. They predicted that Joe Biden would win the state of Pennsylvania in 2020. Just like most other pollsters.

thetrafalgargroup.org

by Donna on November 6, 2022 8:53 am

I didn't see any Democrats storming the capitol building to stop the electoral vote count on Jan 6, 2021. I don't see Democrats promising to undermine free and fair national elections at the state level. I don't see Democrats intimidating voters at drop boxes. I don't see any Democrats advocating for the independent legislature theory where a state's secretary of state would be free to ignore the elections results and install electors of their own choosing without judicial oversight.

by HatetheSwamp on November 6, 2022 9:03 am

Curt, AGAIN. pb has NEVER said that "that feckless dementia-ridden piece of crap" didn't win Pennsylvania.

pb's said two things about that:

1. Dems cheated.
2. We'll never know what the honest result would have been.

I'm gunna guess that, if Trafalgar hadn't picked the Flatulent Fool in Pennsylvania in 020, you wouldn't be affirming it. Bahahahahahahahahahaha, ahhhhhhhhhhh!

by HatetheSwamp on November 6, 2022 9:09 am

Donna,

ALL the antiSwampers here denounced the Capitol riot WHILE IT WAS HAPPENING. And, we applaud the convictions of the guilty.

Your side and the murder and mayhem, by Antifa and BLM, in 020? We remember lots winking and nodding from your side.

It's your same story. GOPs are vile. Dems?, SAINTS!!!!!

by Donna on November 6, 2022 9:30 am

"ALL the antiSwampers here denounced the Capitol riot WHILE IT WAS HAPPENING. And, we applaud the convictions of the guilty."

I know.

"Your side and the murder and mayhem, by Antifa and BLM, in 020? We remember lots winking and nodding from your side."

Not from me you didn't. No one representing Antifa or BLM ever murdered anyone in those riots, though.

Riots have been commonplace throughout our nation's history. We as a nation have always gotten through them. What has never happened before in this country, though, is a riot where the goal was to stop the electoral vote count and install the presidential candidate who lost the election. Until recently, to my knowledge were never had to be concerned about politicians saying ahead of the election that they won't accept the election result if they lose. And we've never had to worry about state governments undermining election results and installing electors that don't reflect the will of the voters.

by oldedude on November 6, 2022 11:20 am
Riots have been commonplace throughout our nation's history. We as a nation have always gotten through them.
Way to make excuses for them. Well done! welldone.
“-The summer 2020 riots resulted in some 15 times more injured police officers, 30 times as many arrests, and estimated damages in dollar terms up to 1,300 times more costly than those of the Capitol riot. George Floyd rioters were found to have used more sophisticated and dangerous tactics than did the Capitol rioters, and in some cases weapons of greater lethality.

-Authorities have pursued the largely Trump-supporting Capitol rioters with substantially more vigor than suspected wrongdoers in the earlier two cases. Many accused Capitol rioters, unlike accused participants in the other riots, have been held in pretrial detention for months – with one defendant serving more time than the maximum sentence for the charge to which he pleaded guilty. Some allegedly endured solitary confinement and other mistreatment.

-With authorities applying lenient prosecutorial standards in many major cities torn by the summer riots, the vast majority of charges last year were dismissed, as were charges in the Inauguration 2017 unrest. Charges have to date been dropped in only a single Capitol riot case.”

What has never happened before in this country, though, is a riot where the goal was to stop the electoral vote count and install the presidential candidate who lost the election.
"Following state elections in 1898, white supremacists [Democrats] moved into the US port of Wilmington, North Carolina, then the largest city in the state. They destroyed black-owned businesses, murdered black residents, and forced the elected local government - a coalition of white and black politicians - to resign en masse.

Historians have described it as the only coup in US history. Its ringleaders took power the same day as the insurrection and swiftly brought in laws to strip voting and civil rights from the state's black population. They faced no consequences."
There were also a few just prior to the Civil War, but other than John Brown, nothing exceptional.

Until recently, to my knowledge were never had to be concerned about politicians saying ahead of the election that they won't accept the election result if they lose.
Neither have I, the dims just whine like whipped jackasses for years afterwards.

And we've never had to worry about state governments undermining election results and installing electors that don't reflect the will of the voters.
Jared Polis, Colorado, 2017
legalinsurrection.com
bbc.com

by oldedude on November 6, 2022 11:28 am
I didn't see any Democrats storming the capitol building to stop the electoral vote count on Jan 6, 2021.
No, Like I said above (and which you chose not to read) They rioted in 2017 in the aftermath of Trump's win.

I don't see Democrats promising to undermine free and fair national elections at the state level.
You don't pay any attention to politics... and it shows.

I don't see Democrats intimidating voters at drop boxes.
New black panthers, we already discussed this at nauseum. You were actually in on that conversation. Please pay attention.

I don't see any Democrats advocating for the independent legislature theory where a state's secretary of state would be free to ignore the elections results and install electors of their own choosing without judicial oversight.
Cite where this is going on?

by islander on November 6, 2022 11:45 am

Hate wrote: ”pb's said two things about that:

1. Dems cheated.
2. We'll never know what the honest result would have been.”  

😀 Smiley said two things about all our past elections:   

1. Republicans cheated. 
2. We'll never know what the honest results would have been.

by oldedude on November 6, 2022 11:58 am
And again, no proof, no citations, just empty headed blabbering.

by oldedude on November 6, 2022 2:09 pm
"Your side and the murder and mayhem, by Antifa and BLM, in 020? We remember lots winking and nodding from your side."

Not from me you didn't. No one representing Antifa or BLM ever murdered anyone in those riots, though."
Just as ya'll feel it okay to lump all conservatives with the Trumpsters, we'll do the same and lump together all the sheep. Fair is fair. Rocks, water bottles full of cement, firebombs were thrown at police in your "summer of love event" riots of 2020. ALL of those are considered deadly force.

"Joe Biden is leaning into the notion that the violence will stop if he’s president, claiming that it is Trump supporters acting as militias that are fueling the violence. This is, of course, a ridiculous assertion. The rioters who burned down Minneapolis and Kenosha were there because of the police killings of George Floyd and Jacob Blake. The ongoing messes in Portland and Seattle’s autonomous zone are not the making of Trump supporters but of antifa anarchists.

Biden expects you to believe that Kamala Harris was promoting the bail fund for Minneapolis rioters to free gun-toting Trump supporters. At least 13 members of Biden’s campaign staff donated to that same bail fund, as did a collection of left-wing celebrities.

The fact is, and always has been, that these riots are happening in Democrat-run cities in Democrat-governed states. This is the case for Minneapolis, Seattle, Portland, Denver, and Kenosha. And when the Trump administration sent federal law enforcement to Portland simply to protect a federal courthouse, the president was decried as a totalitarian and told by the Democratic mayor and governor to get out.

So, in case you didn’t follow the argument from Democrats, it goes like this: There should be “unrest” and “uprisings” in the streets, but the rioters and looters are mostly peaceful, and you should donate to bail them out of jail, but really there’s nothing wrong with lighting businesses on fire and looting them, and anyway, it’s actually Trump supporters who are being violent, and Donald Trump is doing nothing to stop it, but if he sends his federal forces, he’s a dictator.

This is the convoluted narrative Democrats have settled on because the truth is much less appealing for them. The cities facing violence are run by Democrats, and all of them are in states where Democrats hold the governors' mansions. The pitch that this stops if Biden is elected is political extortion because Democrats have encouraged these “protests” to go on, and they have been the ones refusing to deal with the violence in the streets.

As far as cost of damages in the 2020 summer of love event $1-$2 BILLION. And that's just the insurance claims. Those without insurance are not part of this. Not included were small businesses like "Minneapolis firefighter Korboi "KB" Balla says his dream was always to open a sports bar, something he almost achieved after "countless hours" working on the project."

His initial open date in March had to be pushed back because of the coronavirus pandemic. He was ready to finally open his doors in June, but that plan came to a crashing halt when rioters destroyed his business on Wednesday.

"I don't know what I'm going to do," a teary-eyed Balla told a CBS affiliate. The outlet reported that Balla invested his life savings into opening the bar which looters infiltrated as cameras were rolling.
"Property Claim Services (PCS), a unit of Verisk Analytics, tracks insurance claims related to civil disorders and has done so since 1950. Axios reported exclusively Wednesday that PCS estimates that insurance claims of at least $1 billion to $2 billion will make the riots following the killing of Floyd the costliest ever.

The following chart identifies PCS’s 13 largest “catastrophes” (damage claims exceeding $25 million), including current estimates of the costs of the riots in several cities in 20 states following the George Floyd killing and the riots in Kenosha following the shooting of Jacob Blake. Nominal dollars reflect the damage costs at the time and the list is ordered by the dollar damage in current dollars."
washingtonexaminer.com
foxnews.com
247wallst.com

by Donna on November 6, 2022 3:24 pm

I didn't see any Democrats storming the capitol building to stop the electoral vote count on Jan 6, 2021. - Donna

No, Like I said above (and which you chose not to read) They rioted in 2017 in the aftermath of Trump's win. - od

They weren't trying to stop the electoral vote count or the transfer of power, though. You just don't want to accept that people in the party you belong to are the only people in American history who've tried to do that, and who seem determined to try again. Jan 6, 2021 wasn't just a riot - it was an insurrection. I'm not blaming you for that, I'm just stating a fact.

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I don't see Democrats promising to undermine free and fair national elections at the state level. - Donna

You don't pay any attention to politics... and it shows. - od

1) That was a really lame comeback, and
2) You chose that lame comeback because you don't have a better one.

***

I don't see Democrats intimidating voters at drop boxes. - Donna

New black panthers, we already discussed this at nauseum. You were actually in on that conversation. Please pay attention.

Right. I remember that conversation well, and I knew that you would bring that up. Yes, the Black Panthers were wrong to do that and were punished as they should have been, although IMO the punishment was too light. They did that at one polling location. Militant members of your party are doing it all over Arizona and I'm sure other places around the country.

***

Not from me you didn't. No one representing Antifa or BLM ever murdered anyone in those riots, though." - Donna

Just as ya'll feel it okay to lump all conservatives with the Trumpsters...

I wasn't limping all conservatives in with Trumpers. Obviously I wouldn't lump traditional conservatives who would never vote for Trump in with Trumpers. Why are you being so defensive?

***

I don't see any Democrats advocating for the independent legislature theory where a state's secretary of state would be free to ignore the elections results and install electors of their own choosing without judicial oversight. - Donna

Cite where this is going on? - od

1) "Cite where this is going on" isn't a question,
2) You and I discussed this months ago and I told you about the North Carolina case that SCOTUS will be giving a hearing this fall. I'm surprised that you haven't heard about it.

How the Supreme Court could radically reshape elections for president and Congress (June 30, 2022; link at bottom)

The U.S. Supreme Court announced Thursday that it has agreed to hear a case next term that could upend election laws across the country with the potential endorsement of a fringe legal theory about how much power state legislatures have over the running of congressional and presidential elections.

The case, called Moore v. Harper, is centered on newly drawn maps of voting districts for North Carolina's 14 seats in the next U.S. House of Representatives...

The court's support for the theory could also affect the 2024 presidential election

Vikram Amar, dean of the University of Illinois College of Law, notes that a "hyper-charged" version of the theory pointing to the Electors Clause of the U.S. Constitution served as the backdrop for the "fake electors" scheme that is a focus of the House select committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol.

Depending on how broadly the Supreme Court rules in the North Carolina redistricting case, Amar says support for the theory by the court could affect the 2024 presidential election. States with Republican-controlled legislatures could see it as an invitation to set new election rules that take power away from voters when picking electors for the Electoral College or to make state lawmakers, not courts, the judges in disputes after the election.

npr.org

by oldedude on November 6, 2022 5:08 pm
First of all, you routinely put Lead and I as trumpsters. Ergo, I'm going to lump you in with the TDS crew, which you've proven over and over to be on the left fringe of the liberals. So you're open to anything I want to say. So I'm not really sure why you got so _*(*&_(*&_ defensive.

You keep defending the rioting. I find that amusing. Bilions of dollars of peoples earnings are down the tubes, and you don't give a hoot in hell about any of the small business owners that lost everything they had. First, there is David Dorn, who was shot point blank trying to protect his friend's store. "Aaron “Jay” Danielson, a far-right Trump supporter, was shot after a rally in Portland in August. Danielson’s suspected killer, Michael Reinoehl, was a leftwing protester who called himself an “anti-fascist”, and who was later shot to death by law enforcement officials, an outcome Donald Trump referred to as “retribution”."

It's pretty lame to cite gerrymandering as an "attempt to overthrow the government..." It happens every year. It depends on who's in power as to who does the gerrymandering, and how far they can go. You dims were caught a couple of times this year in completely illegal gerrymandering and didn't even appeal the decision.
In the department of "Those Who Live in Glass Houses..." comes this. "Democrats Hate Gerrymandering—Except When They Get to Do It"
theguardian.com
thedailybeast.com

by Curt_Anderson on November 6, 2022 5:38 pm
OD,
OD,
The David Dorn case seems like your garden variety burglary that happened during protests but not connected to the protests. I presume burglaries in St. Louis are commonplace. Anyway the perp got life. See link below.

The presumed killer in the Portland case was killed a in a shootout with police. What more do you want?

Protests are constitutionally protected. Naturally concurrent crimes are not. You can carry a placard or a flag but you cannot use to bludgeon somebody or to break a window.

The George Floyd death aftermath riots damage estimates are as high to $2 billion. The Capitol riot damages are estimated at $30 million. However, the real issue is not the dollar amounts of damage. Of course I don't approve of murder, assault, arson or vandalism for any reason. But when it's done to overthrow or even influence the government it's different and more serious matter.

There is a big difference in my mind between the Jesse James gang and their murderous crimes and the John Wilkes Booth conspirators who killed Lincoln, knifed the secretary of state, attempted to kidnap officials and blackmail the government among other crimes.

en.wikipedia.org

by oldedude on November 6, 2022 7:38 pm
The video of the Dorn case showed he was shot before they entered the store. They didn't enter then murder, they murdered him on the sidewalk. So I'm not sure your assessment would be correct.

I have never argued peaceful demonstrations were Illegal, immoral or even wrong. It's the burning down buildings and destroying property that is the issue. Since the dims supported the riots and didn't backtrack until they might lose because they supported it do you see any backtracking at all. And it wasn't just talk. It was financial support for those (mostly felons) to get out of jail. Unfortunately, the money was also (unknowingly but unfortunately) used to get a rapist out of jail also.

The intent of the summer of love event was to influence the government and the population. What antifada got out of it was a slicker command and control of the insurgency. It bothers me that people are still supporting the rioting of that summer. I expect that in 2024-25, if a GOP gets elected as President, we'll see it again. And with the number of police that have either quit, or retired early, those cities will be in shambles. The people I feel sorry for in these cities are the lower income victims that won't be helped by the dims at all. I am just going to sit back and watch the double standards come to a head again.

by Donna on November 6, 2022 9:15 pm

"You keep defending the rioting." - od

If that's what you came away with from what I wrote, I seriously have to consider if it's worth it for me anymore to try to communicate with you.

The way your mind works is... fascinating.

by oldedude on November 7, 2022 3:44 am
When you (all) say, "It's mostly a peaceful protest" and don't acknowledge the massive amount of arson and damage to small businesses, chains, and government buildings, you're diverting attention away from the insurgency that was happening. We've talked about this before. Most of the protests during the day were "mostly peaceful." The insurgency that happened at night was completely different.

I think it's pretty interesting that you demand we continually apologize and recognize the damage that was done on Jan 6. On that day, there were ~120,000 protesters during the day. All peaceful. About 1% of those stormed the capital. So it would be fair to say Jan 6 was "mostly peaceful" by your standards. Oh BTW, the ONLY person who died on Jan 6, was a protester. Period. We've talked about this. You keep demanding we tack suicides in with that and then demand we recognize them as being murdered by protesters. That is simply not true and not part of the equation.

You are full of justifications, reasons, and excuses about GOP politicians being shot, threatened, having their houses shot with their children inside, and multiple assassination attempts. When you give them a pass, that is approval.

So those are my reasons. They're not some far-fetched "gotcha," but rather watching what you say and don't say (both are equally important). And BTW, this is not just about you (Donna). Like I posted, this is also about the dim leadership and many others. So I'm not picking on you per se.

by oldedude on November 7, 2022 3:46 am
Sorry, I forgot to cite the numbers. A pretty interesting article though, and the debacle and the lack of preparedness on the part of the LEAs.
newsweek.com

by Donna on November 7, 2022 7:36 am

No, I don't "justify" any of those things. I just think that nothing is more important than protecting our democracy, or republic if you prefer. Apparently you disagree with that.

by oldedude on November 7, 2022 1:48 pm
Again, It's what you don't do, as much as what you do.

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