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By HatetheSwamp
October 29, 2022 5:22 am
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...agitator election deniers are filming voters dropping off ballots, photographing their license plates, and confronting them in parking lots outside early voting locations in Arizona and Michigan, according to Marcia Johnson-Blanco, who is overseeing election protection efforts for the Lawyers’ Committee for Civil Rights Under Law.

At least three groups that make baseless [bahahahahahahahahahaha, ahhhhhhhhhhh] claims of widespread voter fraud are encouraging untrained volunteers to engage in the effort. One effort, funded by Michael Flynn, Donald Trump’s first national security adviser and a former Army general in Iraq 20 years ago, is specifically recruiting military veterans and police officers to monitor voting.

The incidents come as claims that electoral losses are naturally the result of fraud has become standard among Republican candidates, with 225 candidates for governor, secretary of state, attorney general, or Congress on the ballot who have either said the 2020 election was stolen or cast doubt on its legitimacy.

"Baseless(ly)!"

The BOSTON GLOBE's sanctimonious coastal Blue MAGA wokery! Comes up against real world heartland truth.

Gang,

pb told you, with a certainty, that this was coming. It's here.

You Blue MAGAs and your sanctimony. How cute! And, this is only 022. Trump ain't even on the ballot.

Keeheeheeheeheeheehee!


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  1. by oldedude on October 29, 2022 7:18 pm
    Lead, It can't be that big of a deal. I remember when the New Black Panthers were carrying clubs and ax handles in the entrances to polling locations. No one was worried about that, so they shouldn't be worried about this.


  2. by Curt_Anderson on October 29, 2022 7:28 pm
    Representative Frank Wolf (R-VA) was quoted by the Washington Times as asking, "If showing a weapon, making threatening statements and wearing paramilitary uniforms in front of polling station doors does not constitute voter intimidation, at what threshold of activity would these laws be enforceable?"

    "The administration still has failed to explain why it did not pursue an obvious case of voter intimidation. Refusal to address these concerns only confirms politicization of the issue and does not reflect well on the Justice Department." --Representative Lamar Smith (R-TX)


  3. by HatetheSwamp on October 30, 2022 4:28 am

    pb doesn't support actual real already-against-law voter intimidation. pb's certain that, if illegal acts of voter intimidation take place, people will be charged with crimes.

    Nevertheless, the real story here is that Dems ballot harvested for decades with impunity and in a carefree manner and, suddenly, your ilk is disoriented.

    To assertively pursue election integrity is a crime, aint!!!!!?


  4. by oldedude on October 30, 2022 5:15 am
    pb doesn't support actual real already-against-law voter intimidation. pb's certain that, if illegal acts of voter intimidation take place, people will be charged with crimes.

    I do agree with that.

    Conservatives are starting to use the lessons the left thought were okay for them. Turing the tables so to speak. And suddenly it turns from "no big deal" to "It's a CRIME!" where it wasn't before.

    I miss the days when both sides would rally behind a wrongful act. Something that was heinous to the average person regardless of party affiliation. Now it's more about "find out the political reason for 'this' happening to decide if it's 'horrible' or not.


  5. by islander on October 30, 2022 5:30 am

    Good info to know when discussing ballot harvesting as it is sometimes called can be found by reading up on the different state laws. But I think (hope) most Americans are dead set against poll watchers showing up at voting sites with handguns and Kevlar vests.

    "Whether states should place restrictions on who may return mail ballots is the subject of debate. Those who support restricting who may return mail ballots often refer to the practice of campaign and union workers returning ballots as ballot harvesting. Other terms used to reference this practice include ballot collection, community ballot collection, ballot gathering, third-party possession of another's ballot, and ballot return."

    Of course this is not a "Democrat thing", Republicans as well as Democrats have been doing this in one manor or another for years. Any restrictions will depend the individual state.

    "in Pennsylvania it’s Republicans who seem to be the ones trying to game the system to their advantage. The Philadelphia Inquirer reported last week that Billy Lanzilotti, a 23-year-old GOP operative and chairman of South Philadelphia’s Republican Registration Coalition, was signing voters up to receive mail-in ballots, but having the ballots sent not to the homes of the voters, but to the PAC’s P.O. box."

    ballotpedia.org
    rollingstone.com


  6. by HatetheSwamp on October 30, 2022 5:51 am

    ..."in Pennsylvania it’s Republicans who seem to be the ones trying to game the system to their advantage. The Philadelphia Inquirer reported...

    It's time that you become circumspect in the sources you cite, there, isle.

    The Philadelphia Inquirer is the paper that judged John Fetterman to have outperformed Dr Oz immediately after the debate.

    I seriously doubt their report.

    *****

    However, when GOPs violate election law, pb thinks they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.


  7. by oldedude on October 30, 2022 6:20 am
    But I think (hope) most Americans are dead set against poll watchers showing up at voting sites with handguns and Kevlar vests.

    I agree, but it's tit for tat. I think you'll see more of this because legal precedence has been set. To treat one differently than the other is really bad news for the dims. I remember the final "election" of Noriega, and also the Burma "elections" with soldiers checking the ballots to ensure they voted for the "correct" person. Again, NBP was no big deal for the dims, this is.

    My other thought is "why, on God's green earth, would you carry open firearms if it's not to intimidate? And the Kevlar is just too much. It's a political statement, I guess. But damn! I think they could have gotten much further with T-shirts and a bright bold POLL WATCHER on the back.

    "The New Black Panther Party voter intimidation case was a political controversy in the United States concerning an incident that occurred during the 2008 election. Two weeks before George W. Bush left office, the New Black Panther Party and two of its members, Minister King Samir Shabazz and Jerry Jackson, were sued by the Department of Justice on claims of voter intimidation for their conduct outside a polling station in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

    The Obama Department of Justice later narrowed the charges against Minister King Shabazz and dismissed the charges against Jackson, the New Black Panther Party and its leader. The dismissals led to accusations that the Obama administration's Department of Justice was biased against white victims and unwilling to prosecute minorities for civil rights violations. These charges were most notably made by J. Christian Adams, who in May 2010 resigned his post in the Department of Justice in protest over the Obama administration's alleged mishandling of the case, and by his former supervisor Christopher Coates."

    The Department of Justice became aware of the Election Day incident and started an inquiry. In January 2009, less than two weeks before the Bush Administration left office, the Civil Rights Division of the Department of Justice filed a civil suit under the Voting Rights Act against four defendants, including Shabazz.

    In April 2009 Bartle Bull, a former civil rights lawyer who was serving as a poll watcher at the polling station where the incident occurred, submitted an affidavit at the Department of Justice's request supporting the lawsuit, stating that he considered it to have been the most severe instance of voter intimidation he had ever encountered.

    When none of the defendants who were charged appeared in court to answer the charges, the career attorneys pursuing the lawsuit assumed that they would win it by default. However the move to pursue a default judgment was overruled by two of their line superiors, Loretta King, who was acting Assistant Attorney General, and Steve Rosenbaum, Acting Deputy Assistant Attorney General. The federal government dropped charges against all defendants except Shabazz in May 2009. A spokesperson for the Department of Justice stated that the claims were "dismissed against the other defendants based on a careful assessment of the facts and the law." Questions about the validity of this explanation served as the basis for subsequent controversy over the case, which was investigated by the United States Commission on Civil Rights, Republican members of Congress, and the DOJ. The federal government eventually obtained an injunction forbidding Shabazz from displaying a weapon within 100 feet of a Philadelphia polling location.

    en.wikipedia.org


  8. by Donna on October 30, 2022 6:32 am

    And as with the 2008 New Black Panther case,

    U.S. District Court Judge Michael Liburdi will not approve an emergency injunction to stop ballot drop box monitors from gathering outside Arizona voter locations.

    msn.com


  9. by Donna on October 30, 2022 6:35 am

    Wait a minute! Not quite. From od's post:

    The federal government eventually obtained an injunction forbidding Shabazz from displaying a weapon within 100 feet of a Philadelphia polling location.

    In the Arizona case, they didn't even get a slap on the wrist.


  10. by HatetheSwamp on October 30, 2022 6:46 am

    The story continues to be the same. It's GOP and antiSwamp groups struggling to assure that ballots are cast with integrity as Dems and Swamp supporting groups who favor lax voting practices.

    I understand why antiSwamp people favor election integrity...it's core to their existence.

    Why Dems oppose them that splains the truth about their integrity.


  11. by oldedude on October 30, 2022 6:47 am
    So according to precedence, they should not be allowed within 100 feet of the polling place. I disagree with both. You give them a warning. They don't do it, they get arrested. I'm all for that. But the justice has to be equal.


  12. by HatetheSwamp on October 30, 2022 6:54 am

    Donna, OD,

    I guess I missed it. Poll observers in Arizona are packing heat?


  13. by oldedude on October 30, 2022 6:59 am
    Yeah.... guns and vests... Really? some mothers children...


  14. by HatetheSwamp on October 30, 2022 7:10 am

    Are Arizona gun laws being broken?


  15. by oldedude on October 30, 2022 7:33 am
    "Are Arizona gun laws being broken?"

    The gun laws in AZ, are not an issue in this case. They have constitutional carry laws. You can open carry, and the Concealed carry permit is not required to conceal carry, it just makes it easier to buy a gun because the background has already been done.

    I think the bigger issue is the polling location. As someone who carries fairly regularly, If I were to open carry, I would be sensitive to the location. That just makes sense. So if you're 100' away, then your within your rights in case law. I just don't think it's smart.


    cronkitenews.azpbs.org
    usconcealedcarry.com


  16. by HatetheSwamp on October 30, 2022 7:43 am

    Good points, OD.

    I'll just say this about that: AntiSwamp efforts to assure honesty in the counting of votes will be sporadic in 022 but if 024 isn't going to be dangerous, reason is going to have to prevail. Soon.

    Dem/Swamp attitude so far has been to sanctimoniously belittle efforts to assure honesty. If they want J6 to happen across the nation in two years, they're on track to make that happen.


    BTW, if MAGA supported Blake Masters comes back and beats Mark Kelly in Arizona, the election integrity will be convinced that they did it.


  17. by Donna on October 30, 2022 10:43 am

    Hey Hts, have you been watching the World Series? Sheri and I are rooting for the Phillies.


  18. by HatetheSwamp on October 30, 2022 11:02 am

    I have been.

    We got our first TV when I was about 4 or 5. Among my earliest memories is sitting with my grandpa in the living room, watching the Phillies games.

    I've been a fan since.

    My sense is that most of the nation hates the Astros because memories of the cheating scandal are still fresh.


  19. by Donna on October 30, 2022 5:07 pm

    Yep, that and the Philles haven't been to the WS since 2009. Houston lost last year.


  20. by oldedude on October 31, 2022 8:17 pm
    so... I guess we're not discussing poll watchers with guns... Got it.


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