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Big Brother does it again!
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September 2, 2022 7:36 pm
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"Colorado utility company locks 22,000 thermostats in 90 degree weather due to 'energy emergency'"

"Xcel Energy, a utility company based in Minneapolis, Minnesota, confirmed that 22,000 customers in the Denver, Colorado area who were signed up for the Colorado AC Rewards program were locked out of their thermostats for several hours on Tuesday, KMGH-TV reported.

Tony Talarico, an Xcel Energy customer in Arvada, Colorado, told KMGH-TV that he attempted to turn up the air conditioning as temperatures creeped into the 90s on Tuesday but was greeted with a message from this thermostat declaring an "energy emergency" and prevented from turning the dial.

"Normally, when we see a message like that, we're able to override it," Talarico said. "In this case, we weren't. So, our thermostat was locked in at 78 or 79.""


So, was the temp too high or too low? not the question. MY issue is the power company has the ability to eavesdrop into houses and adjust the smart appliances in a private home. I had enough issues with whatshername. But for an external company chooses how I run my home is too much 1984 for me.


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Comments on "Big Brother does it again!":

  1. by Curt_Anderson on September 2, 2022 7:51 pm
    "AC Rewards Smart Thermostat Program
    Get an annual reward for cutting back on A/C use during periods of extreme temperatures and peak demand.

    How AC Rewards Works
    By participating in AC Rewards, adjustments are made to your smart thermostat during the hottest summer days."

    People enrolled in the rewards program voluntarily. It's similar to auto insurance discounts for safe drivers.


  2. by Donna on September 2, 2022 9:11 pm
    As global warming increases, along with the population, unless the production of electrical power is increased accordingly, electricity will have to be rationed.

    "Smart" appliances make rationing easier. This gets back to my topic thread about giving up privacy for convenience.


  3. by oldedude on September 2, 2022 9:20 pm
    Curt- Had you actually read what I wrote, You stated EXACTLY what was apparent and not the fukking meaning of the post. OMFG.


  4. by HatetheSwamp on September 3, 2022 3:53 am

    Californians Told Not to Charge Electric Cars Days After Gas Car Sales Ban

    You Blue Ultra-MAGAs are so, so silly.

    Bahahahahahahahahahaha.


    newsweek.com


  5. by oldedude on September 3, 2022 5:31 am
    "This gets back to my topic thread about giving up privacy for convenience."

    Yes. This would be the reason for the thread. I don't really understand why someone would do that, but then again, they also do it with auto insurance. That's just as scary to me, but they also record your movements by the tolls.

    To many conservatives, this is a real problem. The flip side is with the license plate reader for cars, they can catch all the "alert" vehicles they're looking for. Thusly your thread.


  6. by Donna on September 3, 2022 8:52 am

    I started a topic thread on this topic earlier this year, here and on Facebook, but it was ignored. Probabky most Americans have no idea how pernicious it is.

    My Dishwasher Wants to Spy on Me!

    It's time to say “No” to Big Tech and “smart” appliances that are, in reality, data thieves attaching themselves to us and our homes like blood-sucking parasites


    Excerpt:

    A few weeks ago our decade-old, serially-repaired dishwasher gave up the ghost, soaking the kitchen floor in the process.  Louise found a replacement online that met her needs and fitted into the space we had, and two burly guys came out this week to install it while she stood outside with all the doors and windows open.

    It’s a smart dishwasher,” she told me, handing me the instruction manual.  “Figure out how to hook it up to my cell phone so we can control it remotely.”

    I dutifully read the manual and downloaded the app from the overseas company that made the dishwasher.  And that’s where it got weird. 

    Even though the dishwasher is in my house, and would be on my in-house WiFi network along with her phone, the app required me to give them my Google or Facebook login information to access their network in another country which would, in turn, control my dishwasher. 

    That was the point at which I stopped, removed the app from her phone, and Louise and I concluded we’re just going to have to fire up the dishwasher the old-fashioned way.  We already have too many appliances spying on us.

    The thermostat in our house, for example, tells the California company that sells it all about our habits, including when we’re home or not.

    Our home temperature data could tell the company if somebody is having a medical problem from pernicious anemia or using beta blockers for hypertension (and so is keeping the house abnormally warm) to menopause (popping temperatures all over the place). It could tell a company selling insulation if we need some, or a potential burglar the best time to pop a window.

    The thermostat could have been designed to have a “home WiFi-only mode” where the company doesn’t get all that info, but, like nearly all the “smart” thermostat companies, they chose not to allow for that.  

    Ditto for our bed, which is adjustable and tracks our sleep.  When I tried to disable sending our information to the company that made it, that effort, in turn, disabled its collecting interesting information about how long and how well we sleep.  If we want to know how we’re sleeping, we have to share that info with a company we already paid an absurd amount of money to for the bed itself.

    Our doorbell also sends our information to its mother ship; they know pretty much everything about us, including how often we get deliveries and from whom, who visits and when, and when that thief tried to break in...

    While Europeans have a pretty high degree of protection from being spied on by commercial interests or having their data sold, it’s commonplace in the US.

    hartmannreport.com


  7. by oldedude on September 3, 2022 11:14 pm
    Okay, and I'm turning off the few products I have. It makes sense, and again, I don't like big brother looking in to my stuff. My next step is a burner phone.


  8. by HatetheSwamp on September 4, 2022 5:01 am

    Y'know, OD, there was a time when I'd'a thought that for you to post that means that you are a paranoid wacko.

    But,...

    ...I watched some of Trump’s speech at the rally last night.

    His best line was to point to the crowd of grammies and pap paps to say, "You are the enemy."

    Powerful. Because that's exactly what "that feckless dementia-ridden piece of crap" said in his Hitleresque speech on Thursday. And, sheeeeeeeeeeeesh! isle praise Joe and his hateful and divisive sentiments to high heaven!

    When Trump talked about the execution of that dastardly Search Warrant..."the invasion,"... he didn't talk about the panty raid so much. But, he revealed that the federales completely trashed Barron's room...his 16 year old son!

    The Swamp is out of control and President HITLER made it clear that the enemy ain't his political opponent. The enemy now is people who'd vote for him.

    Joe Biden said that exactly.

    What scares me is not that a demented old man read those words from a teleprompter. What scares me is not even the smoke filled room of cronies that sent Joe out to read the speech.

    What scares me is that isle embraced that and praised it and promoted it...

    ...and, isle seems to speak for all of the Blue MAGA Swampcultists here and, if that's so,...

    ...I have no doubt that there are millions who are saying among themselves, IT'S ABOUT TIME !!!

    We're about to enter even uglier times than we have now. And, the good German-ism of our Blue MAGA Swampcultists is only the tip of the iceberg.

    selectsmart.com


  9. by islander on September 4, 2022 5:31 am

    Don’t be so sanctimonious Hate.

    Dietrich Bonhoeffer said the nazis were the enemy and the nazis said those like Dietrich Bonhoeffer were the enemy so who would you condemn ?

    The radical MAGAs see us as the enemy...We see the radical MAGAs as the enemy


  10. by islander on September 4, 2022 5:43 am

    Californians Told Not to Charge Electric Cars Days After Gas Car Sales Ban

    You Blue Ultra-MAGAs are so, so silly.


    A person could always do what we've done and charge their cars all day long (and it would be free).


  11. by HatetheSwamp on September 4, 2022 5:55 am

    Sometimes, isle, you won't have a choice.


  12. by islander on September 4, 2022 6:12 am
    That's true for everything. However, I think most people who can afford a new electric vehicle would probably be able to afford solar panels to charge their cars and homes. I have solar panels but could never afford an electric car ! Lol !!!


  13. by oldedude on September 4, 2022 6:17 am
    "A person could always do what we've done and charge their cars all day long (and it would be free)."

    First, ecologically, there is no "free." Energy is a transfer, not a producer.

    Secondly, with all your "talk" about being a great ecological proponent and telling us how horrible we are and that we're scum of the earth and ought to kill ourselves, I think I'm the ONLY person on the site that has actually gone solar. Now given there are folks here that are in rentals, either apartments or houses. There's not really a choice in that unless you go through all that. I, for one, wouldn't even consider it. I was solar in CO, and now in FL. You, on the other hand, admitted you are not solar. So, if you really care about all this, YOU should have been the first to put the panels on your property. Otherwise, you are doing nothing but using coal/oil/ all the fossil fuels you say you hate, to make yourself feel better about "saving the planet."


  14. by islander on September 4, 2022 6:31 am

    old dude...I usually don't respond to you because I don't think it would be right...but just to get things straight on this subject. I don't know where you come up with a lot of the things you post here but I have absolutely gone solar. The picture is of of my house and as you can see we have solar panels with a battery bank. The green house is on a heated concrete slab (also heated by solar). We have vegetable gardens and grow a great deal of our produce during the summer. I can't afford an all electric car but do drive a Prius hybrid that averages 50 mph. And yes we recycle any of our recyclable waste. So I do feel that when we talk about protecting our environment we are doing our best to "walk the walk".


  15. by oldedude on September 4, 2022 6:45 am
    Okay. That works.

    Where I got that was that you said that if you had an electric car, it would be powered by something other than solar. So. I "assumed" you didn't have solar in your house. My sincere apologies.

    We do the same. Nearly identical. We have a year-round vegetable garden, 10 fruit trees (banana, grapefruit, lemon, key lime, asian pear, orange, blueberries, and olive. We process the fruit and olives. I have a garden for medicinal herbs, and we grow our cooking herbs and spices, and process them through freeze drying. My son has chickens, and we are looking at getting sheep or rabbits for harvesting.


  16. by Donna on September 4, 2022 7:53 am

    Btw, Sheri and I don't own any "smart" appliances.


  17. by HatetheSwamp on September 4, 2022 8:03 am

    Btw, Sheri and I don't own any "smart" appliances.

    You're raping the planet.


  18. by islander on September 4, 2022 8:37 am

    olddude wrote: "Where I got that was that you said that if you had an electric car, it would be powered by something other than solar"

    I'm just curious od, do you really believe that I said that ?


  19. by oldedude on September 4, 2022 8:39 am
    "His best line was to point to the crowd of grammies and pap paps to say, "You are the enemy.""

    That is the worst part of this. I did that long post about how/why "normal" Americans consider themselves the hated majority. Yes, there were morons that broke into the Rayburn building. We know. We got it. We don't need to be lectured (againandagainandagain). There were also 200 arrested during the Kavanaugh hearings and 21 at the Comey Barrett hearings inside the building. But I'm suuure they were fine outstanding citizens that were just using their "right" of free speech. Therein lies a huge difference. The left can cause over a BILLION dollars of damage, but their "protests" were "mostly peaceful." Holy crap! I wonder what violence looks like to their side!

    The "rights" we are promised through our constitution are just disregarded. Biden (et.al) are trying to implement no knock warrants to "check for guns" and the rise of "Australian Rules" gun laws. I always got the "it won't happen here" when I mentioned it on this site. Now, it's a real probability. All of the despots started like this. It's even worse now that we have a lot of access to immigrants that have survived the exact thing that happened in their country. We've been threatened by a couple of notables in the administration. The (sic) "president" (you're gonna need an F15 to fight us) and the "Scared to be Irish so I'll fake it and appropriate being a Latino) Francis O'Rourke (We've got nuclear weapons).

    The catch is that if we say anything about it, we're just "snowflakes" and "paranoid." The reality is that all we want to do is to be left alone and raise our families in safety. We also understand we have the right and obligation to keep our families safe and will do that. We don't want the revolution the left is talking about, because we know what that will look like, but we will defend ourselves.



  20. by oldedude on September 4, 2022 8:43 am
    I'm just curious od, do you really believe that I said that ?

    Yup. you'd just plug it in and charge it. Then you scoffed when I said that most of the electric was created by coal. You maintain (incorrectly) that most of the electricity in the US is created by solar and wind.


  21. by islander on September 4, 2022 9:16 am

    od, if you actually think I said that you should be able to simply copy what I said and past it here.

    But you know as well as I do that you can't do that because I never said it.

    This is a big problem when trying to communicate with you.


  22. by oldedude on September 4, 2022 3:54 pm
    I do remember it. And honestly, being a dick doesn't help your case. I simply don't have time for you. Simple as that. I tried to answer in an upbeat fashion so I wouldn't insult you because you are probably one of the worst SNAGs I know. Completely off the rails at a drop. You really ought to look at the lecture you were so passive-aggressive about with me. It fits you to a T.


  23. by Ponderer on September 4, 2022 6:17 pm

    I like what islander posts and he sounds like a very nice person, someone I could be personal friends with.


  24. by Donna on September 4, 2022 6:19 pm
    That was my comment, but I'm sure that my wife agrees.


  25. by oldedude on September 4, 2022 6:40 pm
    I actually apologized to him and he either didn't read it or chose to pick a fight. I figured I would at least go half way, and it's been awhile since there was any friction. So I thought I'd try it again. Epic fail.

    I think he knows how long it takes on this site to look something up, which is the only reason he'll do it.

    All that said, I stand by what I said. I also rarely, if ever agree with him, which is not an issue. We rarely agree but can have very civil conversations. It's a bother that he can say/do anything he wants especially when he unloads on Lead and I. And I warned him. Twice. He chose to continue and the result is that he got butt hurt. I'm not responsible for that. He wants to play. I'll play.


  26. by Donna on September 4, 2022 7:04 pm

    I don't think islander was butt hurt by anything you posted.


  27. by oldedude on September 4, 2022 7:12 pm
    either way, I don't care. I figured he just whined to you.


  28. by Donna on September 4, 2022 7:16 pm
    Whined to me? Where?


  29. by oldedude on September 4, 2022 7:36 pm
    "I figured he just whined to you."
    Good God! Is everyone trying to pick a fight? I FIGURED (informal NORTH AMERICAN
    think, consider, or expect to be the case)
    bing.com


  30. by Donna on September 4, 2022 8:22 pm
    A fight? LOL! No.

    I know what "figure" means. I just don't know what you mean by "I figured he just whined to you". I don't know islander outside of this forum.


  31. by islander on September 5, 2022 4:36 am

    Thanks, Donna. I find it impossible to communicate with olddude but I do get tired of him telling people what they say and what they think when in reality they have never said what he says they did, nor do they think what he says they think, so I called him out on it this time. I suppose it was because he was doing it about me and it pushed my button. And yes, I know it’s a waste of time responding to such an angry person.

    It would be simple for him to scroll up and look at my posts here and see that I never said anything at all like what he claims I did. I only posted three comments here (2 of them about solar) before he began his dishonest tirade. Those two are #10 which shows a picture of my house with solar panels and #12 where I talked about being unable to afford an electric car.

    Apparently something I said made him angry and he began imagining I said things that I never said.

    .

Oh! By the way, I enjoy reading Pondy and your posts. I believe they are intelligent and genuine. I could also easily be friends with you both and in real life if we were neighbors I'd be happy to have you over for a cookout!🍻


  32. by oldedude on September 5, 2022 5:47 am
    You know, Your right. And I straight up apologized for the pictures, but on my computer it's a 1"square. AND you said it. So again, I apologized. But you didn't bother to read that. I also tried to relate a little in my posts. Really trying to find a common ground. Maybe something we could start again with. Some communication that wasn't anything to do with heated discussion. You avoided all of that.

    You're too locked up with visceral hatred that you can't see the other side of things. It's okay for you to attack us. Perfectly fine. But when we show you facts, you get all pisssy. Again, perfect SNAG. And I warned you, Twice, and asked you to tone it down. You didn't bother. That's on you.


  33. by islander on September 5, 2022 6:07 am

    But old dude, your "apolgy" simply contained another false claim about something you say I said.

    Okay. That works.

    Where I got that was that you said that if you had an electric car, it would be powered by something other than solar. So. I "assumed" you didn't have solar in your house. My sincere apologies.


    PS

    Here is a hint. click on the 1" square picture of my house in my post and see what happens. And then copy and paste where I said, "if I had an electric car, it would be powered by something other than solar."


  34. by Curt_Anderson on September 5, 2022 9:27 am
    Islander, that bucolic setting of your home reminds me of another New Englander's residence: Christina's World by Andrew Wyeth.


  35. by islander on September 5, 2022 11:51 am

    But what about the trees? There are no trees in Christina's World Lol !!

    Thanks Curt, I take that as a compliment and Wyeth is quite popular up here.

    We've lived in six states up and down the East coast, from Maine to Florida, and feel extremely fortunate to have found, at least to us, the perfect place that a little old couple like us could ever hope for as our "retirement home".


  36. by HatetheSwamp on September 5, 2022 2:09 pm

    It's idyllic, isle.


  37. by oldedude on September 5, 2022 6:23 pm
    I did, and I thought I was apologizing for the whole screwup. But I apologized. You are not able to chickenshit me about this. Your call. Period.


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