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Christofascism is alive and well in America
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July 18, 2022 7:30 pm
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If I follow what they're saying, and I think I do, if you don't believe as they do, you're considered to be "evil" and "the enemy".


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  1. by Curt_Anderson on July 18, 2022 8:36 pm
    It definitely has a Nuremburg rally feeling to it. It reminds me of the Samuel Johnson's observation that "patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels".

    Some of it was insider stuff like the reference to the Seven Mountains.


  2. by HatetheSwamp on July 19, 2022 4:28 am

    Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, Donna!

    At least you cut off the part of the video where everyone shouts, WE WILL VOTE FOR DONALD TRUMP!

    What you didn't say...maybe you don't even know this.

    Everyone in the congregation repeats this Creed every week in every Evangelical church...

    ...with the WE WILL VOTE FOR DONALD TRUMP included!

    Bahahahahahahahahahaha


  3. by oldedude on July 19, 2022 7:27 am
    My question is; "how is that different than the New Liberal World Order? Isn't that "movement" just as radical? Isn't taking down our government unconstitutionally as much of a religion as the antithesis? That putting people in to "re-education" camps like Pol Pot disconcerting to at least half of the population of the US?"


  4. by Donna on July 19, 2022 7:34 am
    I feel another George Soros Marxist rant coming on.


  5. by HatetheSwamp on July 19, 2022 8:05 am

    What strikes about the video is that it's all positive and pro-government. It's for America, 100%.

    And, notice, it's not actually Chrisofascist. It's not about merging America with Christianity. Not at all.

    It's about pursuing an American government in which all three branches function in a way consistent with what these people believe. That is perfectly American!

    The zeal may be alarming. But, to use the Blue Ultra-MAGAs' favorite word these days, there's no suggestion of insurgency in any of this. Nary a hint of it.

    I'm sure it's disturbing to Blue Ultra-MAGAs, but there's nothing subversive in it, and no suggestion of support for violence. It's zealous, certainly. But, entirely wholesome.

    Compare that to Antifa, on the other political side.


  6. by Donna on July 19, 2022 8:33 am
    Antifa? You actually countered with Antifa? LOL!

    Christofascists will be goosestepping down Main Street and you'll be here assuring us there's nothing to be alarmed about.

    I didn't use to feel personally threatened, but I do now. Your evangelical cousins don't take too kindly to folks like Sheri and me.


  7. by HatetheSwamp on July 19, 2022 8:40 am

    Christofascists will be goosestepping down Main Street and you'll be here assuring us there's nothing to be alarmed about.

    Donna, I couldn't disagree with these people more. But, show me the call to violence in that video.

    For that matter, show me even an implied reference to "folks like Sheri and me."

    The zeal of these people is disconcerting but, honestly, set that aside and analyze the content.


  8. by Donna on July 19, 2022 8:43 am
    Here's what Christofascists are reciting at their Nurembourg-type rallies:

    WATCHMAN DECREE

    As a Patriot of faith, I attest my allegiance first and foremost to the kingdom of God and the Great Commission.

    Secondly, I agree to be a watchman over our nation concerning its people and their rights to Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness—

    —Whereas we, the Church, are God’s governing Body on the earth

    —Whereas we have been given legal power from heaven and now exercise our authority

    —Whereas we are God’s ambassadors and spokespeople over the earth

    —Whereas through the power of God, we are the world influencers

    —Whereas because of our covenant with God, we are equipped and delegated by Him to destroy every attempted advance of the enemy,


    We make our declarations:

    We decree that America’s executive branch of government will honor God and defend the Constitution.

    We decree that our legislative branch (Congress) will write only laws that are righteous and constitutional.

    We decree that our judicial system will issue rulings that are biblical and constitutional.

    We declare that we stand against wokeness, the occult and every evil attempt against our nation.

    We declare and we now take back our God-given freedoms, according to our Constitution.

    We declare that we take back influence at the local level in our communities.

    We decree that we take back and permanently control positions of influence and leadership in each of the *Seven Mountains.

    We decree that the blood of Jesus covers and protects our nation. It protects and separates us for God.

    We declare that our nation is energy independent.

    We declare that America is strong spiritually, financially, militarily and technologically.

    We decree that evil carries no power, authority or rights in our land nor over our people.

    We decree that we will operate in unity, going beyond denominational lines in order to accomplish the purposes of God for our nation.

    And we decree that AMERICA SHALL BE SAVED!

    We know this country was founded on Judeo-Christian principles.

    We know the truth; therefore we stand for truth and will NEVER be deceived!

    We will NEVER stop fighting!
    We will NEVER, EVER, EVER give up or give in!
    We WILL take our country back.
    We WILL honor the ONE TRUE GOD, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob! AMERICA SHALL BE SAVED!


  9. by Donna on July 19, 2022 8:48 am
    Donna, I couldn't disagree with these people more. But, show me the call to violence in that video. For that matter, show me even an implied reference to "folks like Sheri and me." - Hts

    Show me the call to violence in the quote below.

    “Today Christians ... stand at the head of [this country]... I pledge that I never will tie myself to parties who want to destroy Christianity .. We want to fill our culture again with the Christian spirit ... We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in literature, in the theater, and in the press - in short, we want to burn out the poison of immorality which has entered into our whole life and culture as a result of liberal excess during the past ... (few) years.”

    - Adolf Hitler, quoted in: The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, 1922-1939, Vol. 1 (London, Oxford University Press, 1942), pg. 871-872


  10. by HatetheSwamp on July 19, 2022 8:53 am

    I attest my allegiance first and foremost to the kingdom of God and the Great Commission.

    That sounds like Martin Luther King, Jr. and Dietrich Bonhoeffer.

    ...we are God’s ambassadors and spokespeople over the earth

    ...through the power of God, we are the world influencers...


    These are not the words of violent revolution. They are the words of zealous citizens in a constitutional republic.

    Again, I agree. The zeal is over the top.

    But, this is America.


  11. by HatetheSwamp on July 19, 2022 8:54 am

    Donna,

    Give me a reason, beyond paranoia, to suggest that these people are Nazis in waiting.


  12. by Donna on July 19, 2022 8:56 am
    It isn't scary for straight White Republican Christians like yourself.

    Christians who don't go along with their agenda should be out there rebuking them.


  13. by HatetheSwamp on July 19, 2022 9:14 am

    Donna,

    Image a liberal Christian group prefacing its "Declarations" with these words:

    —Whereas we, the Church, are God’s governing Body on the earth

    —Whereas we have been given legal power from heaven and now exercise our authority

    —Whereas we are God’s ambassadors and spokespeople over the earth

    —Whereas through the power of God, we are the world influencers

    —Whereas because of our covenant with God, we are equipped and delegated by Him to destroy every attempted advance of the enemy,...


    ...would you encourage friends, who are the focus of progressive ire, be concerned about violence?


  14. by Donna on July 19, 2022 9:22 am
    Liberal Christians would never say anything like that, but if they did, OF COURSE I would denounce it.

    Btw, this is New Apostolic Reformation (NAR). Dutch Sheets, who leads this declaration in the Twitter video I gave a link to in my lead post, is a NAR prophet. When they speak of heaven given "legal power" & "authority", those are Dominionist concepts.



  15. by HatetheSwamp on July 19, 2022 9:35 am

    I know that what liberal means has changed over the years, but this is very similar to the language of the progressives, back in the day, whose radicalism pushed the US to abolish slavery.

    My question remains; If a zealous group of progressive Christians, defining themselves as ambassadors and influencers, set out zealously to pursue a radical progressive Christian agenda in America, would you fear for the safety...the life...of people who are often the focus of progressive zeal?


  16. by oldedude on July 19, 2022 9:52 am
    The "legal power and authority" line is a moderate to conservative view. There is an acceptance of "give Caesar what is due him" until it violates the word and teachings of God/ Christ according to the Bible.

    What has charged this movement is the RE action to the left's demand for social justice (an oxymoron), CRT to kindergartners, hatred of the US, rewriting history, etc. That's been going on since right after WWII.


  17. by Donna on July 19, 2022 10:28 am
    Hts - You occasionally mention Dietrich Bonhoeffer. He didn't wait around for violence to be committed to act on what he saw coming.

    "Bonhoeffer's promising academic and ecclesiastical career was dramatically knocked off course by the Nazi ascent to power on 30 January 1933. He was a determined opponent of the regime from its first days. Two days after Hitler was installed as Chancellor, Bonhoeffer delivered a radio address in which he attacked Hitler and warned Germany against slipping into an idolatrous cult of the Führer (leader), who could very well turn out to be Verführer (misleader, or seducer)."

    You, Hts, probably would have castigated him for having HDS.




    en.wikipedia.org


  18. by Donna on July 19, 2022 10:31 am
    "We decree that our judicial system will issue rulings that are biblical and constitutional."

    Ummm, ok... Which are you going change; the Bible or the Constitution???


  19. by HatetheSwamp on July 19, 2022 10:40 am

    Donna,

    I noticed the "biblical and constitutional" language. That served to settle my reservations.

    Again, on your side, frequently, I hear the bashing of the Constitution.

    What's remarkable in the language in this Creed is the upholding of the US Constitution.

    I hate to bring up Antifa again but...

    If these people seek to overturn the Constitution, I'll be at your side in denouncing them. At the moment, though, I don't see it.


  20. by Donna on July 19, 2022 11:03 am
    You're nuts. There is no "biblical" test in deciding the Constitutionality of a proposed law. You're confusing the US and Iran.


  21. by HatetheSwamp on July 19, 2022 11:06 am

    I don't think that they're calling for a biblical test in deciding the constitutionality of a law.

    Give me an example of an article of the Constitution, or it's Amendments that you consider to be anti-biblical?


  22. by Donna on July 19, 2022 11:32 am
    "I don't think that they're calling for a biblical test in deciding the constitutionality of a law."

    That's what they want, you knucklehead.

    "We decree that our judicial system will issue rulings that are biblical and constitutional."

    It's not that anything in our Constitution is anti-biblical (actually I don't know; there are countless interpretations of scripture), it's that none of our Supreme Court rulings are supposed to go through a biblical test. That would be Iran.


  23. by HatetheSwamp on July 19, 2022 12:21 pm

    Surely, you know that people like this are convinced that the Constitution is a perfect Judeo Christian document. In truth, they do the opposite of what you fear. They subjugate the Bible to the Constitution, not vice versa.

    We both know that the writers of the Constitution were, primarily, deists, not Christians. Yet, these people see only the Bible in its text.


  24. by Donna on July 19, 2022 12:32 pm
    "We decree that our judicial system will issue rulings that are biblical and constitutional."

    It's very clear what they meant. Stop being an apologist.


  25. by HatetheSwamp on July 19, 2022 12:35 pm

    It's clear to you.

    Did you see the word "and" there. These are people with two holy books that never conflict: The Bible and the Constitution.

    Your side hates the Constitution. These people LOVE it.


  26. by oldedude on July 19, 2022 5:41 pm
    Lead (well and pondy or donna, whoever is posting right now),
    As I've said before. These people have (finally) been "woke" to the right. A love of our country because it stands alone in it's constitution. We don't need to re-write this constitution, we need to actually re-read it.

    What the left is going through is what the left did a couple of years ago after watching our streets ablaze, good people trying to protect their own businesses and homes, and murdered (ala Dorn). They watch their schools being taken over by dictatorships. The "president" saying their children weren't theirs, they were the "states" to be accountable for.

    I agree with the antifada reference. In the documents of the New Liberal World Order, they are their "front line" to make believers out of the masses. They paint themselves as the perfect life where all countries are dissolved and the world is great. Just like every other demented, sociopath, dictator has said. Why? because that's what people really want. It makes sense and makes people want to believe in something better than (what they consider) is the mess they're living in.

    I go back to Panama. This is a country with zero welfare. Everyone works. The biggest thing in the Capital is to buy your phone cards off the street vendors. Why? Because that's how they earn a living. Many of them are one-legged military age males. Why? Because they've gotten themselves blown up in El Salvador, Nicaragua, Colombia, etc from anti personnel mines.

    The interesting thing is there is no "Health Care Insurance." No one needs it. Without any insurance, I saw a doctor, spent about 30 minutes with her, and got a prescription for about $35.

    People are leaving the "New Liberal World Order" in order to be free. They know what it is and they are running full speed away from it. Being in FL, I speak to lots of shop owners, mostly from countries with dictatorships the left loves. The stories they tell of the human rights abuses are no worse than I've seen in any other third world shthole I've been in.

    This is the chasm that is the world now. Choose your side.


  27. by Donna on July 19, 2022 5:41 pm
    You're insane.


  28. by Donna on July 19, 2022 5:46 pm
    Both of you.

    The only president who advocated for a New World Order (using that wording) was George H.W. Bush. He was referring to a neo-liberal world order which Republicans and most Democrats support. That is not to be confused with a liberal world order, which I've never heard of.


  29. by Donna on July 19, 2022 5:52 pm
    Snd to answer your hypothetical, Hts, that's like asking If Mr. Rogers had drank blood from aborted fetuses on TV, his would you feel about that.

    The Christian Left has a presence on Facebook and they're some if the most mild mannered people I've ever listened to. They're the opposite of those evangelical Dominionist freaks.


  30. by Donna on July 19, 2022 5:54 pm
    That first paragraph didn't come out right. I hate posting from this itty bitty cell phone keyboard. But I think you understood what I meant.


  31. by Donna on July 19, 2022 6:06 pm
    Hts - What do you mean my "side" hates the Constitution? What "side" is that? The Democrats? Why, because they made people wear protective masks? Is that what's got you all in a tizzy?

    And yes, I got that Biblical AND Constitutional requirement. That means both. To them, laws must past a biblical purity test in addition to a Constitutional test.

    That blatantly violates the separation of church and state. The biblical test they support is antithetical to their supposed adherence to the Constitution.





  32. by Donna on July 19, 2022 6:17 pm
    olde dude: What's the relevance of your rant? Why are you talking about Panama? Sheri and I are social democrats, New Deal FDR-type Democrats. We aren't Sandanistas or communists.

    If you want to yell at communists, visit a communist social media platform.


  33. by Curt_Anderson on July 19, 2022 6:22 pm
    It's rather ridiculous to talk about laws that meet both biblical and Constitutional standards. Take the Ten Commandments for example, I can think of only one, "thou shall not steal", that is reflected in our laws. "Thou shall not kill" has many legal exemptions.


  34. by Donna on July 19, 2022 6:28 pm
    olde dude: CRT isn't even being taught in public high schools much less kindergarten. It's a college level course.


  35. by oldedude on July 19, 2022 7:01 pm
    "The only president who advocated for a New World Order (using that wording) was George H.W. Bush. He was referring to a neo-liberal world order which Republicans and most Democrats support. That is not to be confused with a liberal world order, which I've never heard of."
    You ought to know how you are getting your information.1 Been around since the late 1940s. Not new, just to those who embrace the cause.

    That first paragraph didn't come out right. I hate posting from this itty bitty cell phone keyboard. But I think you understood what I meant.
    After you told us you sent on your phone, I read it like that. No issue whatsoever with me. But thanks for the explanation.

    What's the relevance of your rant? Why are you talking about Panama? Sheri and I are social democrats, New Deal FDR-type Democrats. We aren't Sandanistas or communists.
    Panama is a system that flat rejected "social democrats." el Salvadore, Nicaragua, Cuba, and Colombia are countries that embraced that.

    CRT isn't even being taught in public high schools much less kindergarten. It's a college level course.
    The "don't say gay" bill in FL was to change the start of CRT from K to 4th grade. Catch a clue. You're being lied to. Curt and I had this discussion. Of course, this was after your hissyfit, so maybe you didn't care to read it. ALSO, Just because I mention it, I am NOT pointing at you all the time. I honestly believe your still smoking weed or you really need to detox from it. Your paranoia is horrible.

    Curt-
    "Thou shall not kill" has many legal exemptions.
    It actually says "thou shall not murder" in aramaic. And in many states, that is what were the basis of their constitutions.

    They were also Patriots who remembered their dead that fought for them. YOU choose to rip down the remembrance of their dead and beat it down like the carpet baggers that belittled the southern slaves in to truck farming. Thanks be to the yankee scum prigs that kept their niggers in slavery.


    en.wikipedia.org


  36. by Donna on July 19, 2022 10:46 pm
    "The "don't say gay" bill in FL was to change the start of CRT from K to 4th grade."

    ????? Where did you get that? I've never heard that bill tied in with critical race theory.

    "They were also Patriots who remembered their dead that fought for them. YOU choose to rip down the remembrance of their dead and beat it down like the carpet baggers that belittled the southern slaves in to truck farming. Thanks be to the yankee scum prigs that kept their niggers in slavery."

    Curt did that? Wow. Curt, is that true?


  37. by Donna on July 19, 2022 10:48 pm
    I came across this interview with Kenneth Copeland, the leader of the Watchman Decree cult. I expected him to rip off his face and reveal his inner lizard a few times during that interview.



    boingboing.net


  38. by oldedude on July 20, 2022 6:51 am
    "????? Where did you get that? I've never heard that bill tied in with critical race theory."
    I read the bill. What it did was to leave out CRT and sex education curriculum in kindergarten. This is the type of program you defended when the parents were getting kicked out of school board meetings for using sexually charged language in homework for 14 year olds.

    "The Neenah School Board in Wisconsin voted this week to approve a highly controversial sex education curriculum in Kindergarten. The sex education indoctrination gets progressively more extreme with each year of elementary school."

    Yes, CRT is taught in K-12 schools. Here’s how.

    Critical race theory is causing controversy in K-12 classrooms. Here's what parents should know.


    "They were also Patriots who remembered their dead that fought for them. YOU choose to rip down the remembrance of their dead and beat it down like the carpet baggers that belittled the southern slaves in to truck farming. Thanks be to the yankee scum prigs that kept their niggers in slavery."
    And you and your wife were right there as they tore down statues, cheering it on. Curt said they deserved it because they lost the war. Ergo, ALL US troops since 1952 are "loosers" and should be treated as such.
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  39. by HatetheSwamp on July 20, 2022 7:37 am

    Hts - What do you mean my "side" hates the Constitution? What "side" is that? The Democrats? Why, because they made people wear protective masks? Is that what's got you all in a tizzy?

    Sadly, Donna, in this case, by your side, I mean, the Woke. You're not pure woke, but, when pressed, you can be woke-ish.


    Why? Because, since the Dobbs decision, I can't tell you how many times I've heard someone who agrees with you on abortion, screaming about old white men, slave owners, banning abortion being slavery and the stupidity of living according to a 200 year old document that no one can understand anyway.

    The "making people wear masks" thing is fascinating because it proves that, as Rush would have said in the old days, feminazis, don't believe a single bit in "my body my choice." They, in the end, simply are hedonists whole feel entitled to take choice away from everyone they "choose" to.


  40. by HatetheSwamp on July 20, 2022 8:03 am

    And yes, I got that Biblical AND Constitutional requirement. That means both. To them, laws must past a biblical purity test in addition to a Constitutional test.

    That blatantly violates the separation of church and state. The biblical test they support is antithetical to their supposed adherence to the Constitution.


    I don't think it does violate the separation of church and state.

    This is a fine point, but the Religion Clauses prevent governmental tyranny over citizens practicing their religion. Whatever it is that you believe, you are free to believe and, unless it conflicts with the beliefs of others and is legal, live out.

    You are as free as a bird to elect people who believe what you believe, or, more than that, seek election yourself.

    The Bill of Rights is violated only when you get the government to foist your belief or way of life on others.

    Of course we all...including YOU, Donna...understand the Constitution through the prism of our own beliefs. The Bill of Rights actually assures your freedom to do that...

    ...up to the point that you start foisting.

    Then you are violating the separation of church and state.

    So far, the people who screamed that, uh, creed, aren't doing that. Not even close.


  41. by oldedude on July 20, 2022 8:25 am
    My son gets half his income from his "bonus" which in the upper five digits. This year, anyone that did not get the shots, lost their bonus. He's looking for another job.

    The other thing about the shot(s). There is little real evidence they really worked. People who received the shots still got COVID. It "may" have been milder, but that remains to be seen. For those states that had high immunization rates, the number of deaths were about the same as states with lower. In addition, states that didn't lock their state down and ruin the infrastructure are able to bounce back earlier and better than those who continually have "mandates" randomly thrown at them. Especially for small businesses.

    I think the House could do a better job if they had a "trial" on what companies "dr" fauchi is connected to, and how he's connecting to WhuHan(which he admitted to working with). My guess is that he's made millions off this deal.



  42. by Donna on July 20, 2022 8:55 am
    "And you and your wife were right there as they tore down statues, cheering it on." - olde dud

    No, actually we were right here, not there, and I didn't care either way about what happened to those statues. I don't know how Sheri feels about the, We never discuss it.

    "I read the bill. What it did was to leave out CRT and sex education curriculum in kindergarten. This is the type of program you defended when the parents were getting kicked out of school board meetings for using sexually charged language in homework for 14 year olds."

    Nope. I never defended teaching sex education or CRT to elementary school children. My only problem with the bill is that based on the way the bill is interpreted, a gay teacher might not be allowed to mention their spouse to their students.

    You make all kinds of assumptions about me that aren't true. I seem to represent everything you hate about liberals, and you use me as a sort of punching bag to take out your aggression on them. But carry on. I actually find your rants amusing.

    The thing is, as Hts will attest, I often fiercely criticize my "side". I never see anyone else on this forum do that. I'm not talking about tacit disapproval - I'm talking about really going after them.


  43. by Donna on July 20, 2022 10:00 am
    Did you get a load of Kenneth Copeland, the Watchman Decree cult leader (link at bottom)? I don't understand how anyone in their right mind would drink for the swill he's serving.

    This is the decree I find particularly problematic:

    "We decree that our judicial system will issue rulings that are biblical and constitutional."

    We're all free to vote for candidates whose platforms are in alignment with our beliefs and opinions, including our religious beliefs. And the opinions of politicians, judges, and Supreme Court justices, like anyone, are shaped by their beliefs.

    But how would that particular Watchman Decree work? How can you "decree" (order) that? Which biblical interpretation are they being ordered by this creepy guy Kenneth Copeland to employ? I assume his. I'm certain, though, that there are plenty of Christians and Jews who would take issue with his biblical interpretations.

    I don't see how enshrining the Bible as a sort of co-document that we base all of our laws on could be seen as anything short of a blatant violation of the separation of church and state.

    Federal legalization of abortion has been found by the Supreme Court as being Constitutional and unconstitutional, depending on the SC Justices who've ruled. It was established law for 49 years before it was reversed. I don't think it's a coincidence that a Catholic-dominant Supreme Court reversed it.

    A lot of us think that same-sex marriage will be the next on the chopping block. The only argument for reversing it is one based on a religious belief, though. Why should same-sex couples be deprived of the freedom to marry? If you don't like it, then don't marry someone of your sex.


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  44. by HatetheSwamp on July 20, 2022 10:36 am

    There's a lot in your post.

    For the moment, I'll extract this because I know it's so important to you and because I think that you are dead wrong.

    A lot of us think that same-sex marriage will be the next on the chopping block. The only argument for reversing it is one based on a religious belief, though. Why should same-sex couples be deprived of the freedom to marry? If you don't like it, then don't marry someone of your sex.

    I've thought, off and on, about doing a post in which I support Justice Thomas' suggestion that the Court revisit the same sex marriage and what was it?, contraception decisions.

    Notice. I haven't. YOU brought it up.


    Anyway, you'll remember that, in the old days, I rightly predicted that same sex marriage would only become law if its foisted on America by the Supreme Court. As is true almost always, pb was right.

    This is a nation "of the people, by the people and for the people." Why should nine judges in DC be able to tell the people in every state who can and can't marry? Why, in a constitutional republic!?

    I think everyone of those foisting decisions should be revisited. Understand, no one on the Supreme Court now, save Thomas, wants to do that. As real as your fear may be, it ain't happening.

    So, you're wrong. The only argument for reversing Obergefell is not religious.

    Having said that, I don't want this to be a Christian nation. If Justice Thomas got his way, if Obergefell was revisited and overturned, same sex marriage would not be outlawed. Marriage would be regulated "by the people and their elected representatives." When the same sex marriage bill came up here in Pennsylvania I'd support it. By now, same sex marriage would become law in nearly every state, if not all states.

    But, again. Don't be so Christophobic or theophobic. The only reason to overturn it Obergefell is not religious.


  45. by oldedude on July 20, 2022 11:19 am
    "The thing is, as Hts will attest, I often fiercely criticize my "side". I never see anyone else on this forum do that."

    What's interesting about your attack is that if I have one "comment" directed, then switch gears, start a new paragraph and new thought, you "assume" it's all about you. I've said it before. That's where you're being whiny. Your wife did want to burn down a police station, and had it justified in her own mind. She backtracked on it saying it was only that particular station.

    You talk directly and use weakass disclaimers just to cover your tracks. Generally, I am talking to Curt, or Lead.

    So again, please see a shrink or have yourself detoxed from the weed. Your paranoia is really unbelievable.


  46. by HatetheSwamp on July 20, 2022 11:28 am

    Your wife did want to burn down a police station, and had it justified in her own mind. She backtracked on it saying it was only that particular station.

    That remains my most distinct memory in all my years at SS.

    And, not only did po backtrack,...

    ...po. eventually, DENIED!

    Very frequently, I think of that as representing the difference between the two sides. We were denouncing J6...AS IT WAS HAPPENING...and that lot praised the worst of their "Summer of Love," then backtracked...

    ...now, deny!


  47. by Donna on July 20, 2022 11:38 am
    "But, again. Don't be so Christophobic or theophobic. The only reason to overturn it Obergefell is not religious."

    My intention isn't to be Christophobic or theophobic. I'm neither. I'll note that the mere quoting of scripture a few months ago asking how you resolve the God of Abraham's order to the Israelites to commit genocide elicited the same response and accusations.

    We've been over the supposed non-religious based justifications to not protect the right of same sex people to marry. We had that debate on the old forum several years ago, and all I remember is you making nonsensical baseless arguments and the Supreme Court ruling that protects same-sex marriage in the US.



  48. by Donna on July 20, 2022 11:50 am
    "I think of that as representing the difference between the two sides. We were denouncing J6...AS IT WAS HAPPENING." - Hts

    I remember your tacit disapproval followed by downplaying its severity.


  49. by HatetheSwamp on July 20, 2022 12:00 pm

    I remember your tacit disapproval followed by downplaying its severity.

    No you effin don't!

    What you may remember is pb saying that the accusations that Trump led an insurrection are ridiculous...

    ...and, as the J6 Committee launches, presumably, its final televised hearing, it appears that pb was bang on.


  50. by Donna on July 20, 2022 12:51 pm
    You have a self-serving and selective memory. You also downplayed the injuries over 150 Capitol police officers sustained in that insurrection.


  51. by HatetheSwamp on July 20, 2022 12:55 pm

    Bullfernerner.


  52. by oldedude on July 20, 2022 2:27 pm
    "You have a self-serving and selective memory. You also downplayed the injuries over 150 Capitol police officers sustained in that insurrection."

    You're conflating the two issues. What about the unarmed woman that was murdered? You seem to believe she deserved being shot by your reactions. Then you fabricate blame for officers dying.

    During your "summer of love" event, you NEVER spoke about the police being assassinated or EMS crews being injured because of the rioting. I have mentioned Dorn over a dozen times. You have never responded to that wanton murder.

    I'd say that's extremely self-serving and selective. To the point of narcissism.


  53. by Donna on July 20, 2022 2:28 pm
    From Two Trump-appointed judges reject comparisons between January 6 and Portland unrest>/b>

    by HatetheSwamp on December 30, 2021 2:52 pm

    Hate to say it, but these judges are Swampish and moronic.

    Virtually nothing was damaged in the mostly peaceful gathering and the only fatality was an unarmed woman. No member of Congress or their staff got even a hang nail.

    And, certainly, barricaded behind doors? Cowering under desks? How is it the fault of the January 6 protectors that the denizens of the Capitol are wimpy enough to make the Cowardly Lion seem like John Wayne?

    Right. The lives and businesses DESTROYED in Portland mean nuthin compared to little drama in the lives of the prissy, entitled workers on the Hill.

    This is offensively Swamp-ish.

    by Donna on December 30, 2021 7:07 pm
    Oh. My. God! Bill, over 140 Capitol police were injured, many seriously, in that riot! Did you not see the video footage? Did you not see that cop being beaten with a flagpole? Five cops died not long after the riot - a couple by suicide, another from a cardio pulmonary event, likely caused by the stress of having gone through that.

    It's almost gotten to the point where I don't want to participate in this forum anymore. Sheri already left, mostly because of you. I'm getting there real fast. It's impossible to have a rational conversation with you anymore.

    by HatetheSwamp on December 31, 2021 3:28 am

    Donna,

    You're hyperbolizing.

    Yeah. It was a riot. There were some skirmishes. But, don't do that. "Five cops died after the riot," thing. We reviewed the lies CNN and MSNBC told about Brian Sicknick dying at the hands of protectors.

    The scary things about January 6 is that your side has suspended reality and created myths about it.

    But please understand. I'm not defending the Capitol protest. I condemned it on SS as it was happening. I still condemn it.

    What I'm saying is that you are minimizing the the violence and destruction of the BLM and Antifa riots in so many cities in the summer of 020. The violence and destruction of the Capitol riot was child's play by comparison.

    selectsmart.com


  54. by islander on July 20, 2022 2:36 pm

    ”We decree that our judicial system will issue rulings that are biblical and constitutional.”

    They decree that? LoL !!! 

It’s fine if something from the bible agrees with a constitutional ruling. I have no problem whatsoever with that. Why would I?

    However... if there is a difference between what “what the bible says” and a constitutional ruling...in our country the constitution wins!



    There are very good reasons, and we on the left understand why,
    constitutional rulings are not and should not be based on the bible and/or what someone’s belief or interpretation of "what the bible says".



  55. by islander on July 20, 2022 3:05 pm

    Donna wrote: If I follow what they're saying, and I think I do, if you don't believe as they do, you're considered to be "evil" and "the enemy"

    And you are correct. And this is true of many rule based religions and/or rule based religious believers within many religions. Which is how the hanging and burning of heretics and witches was justified.

    Hate, at the time was going by his alter ego’s name (pb) on the old board, and we (pb and I) had an ongoing argument over whether Christianity and its philosophy was based on “unselfish love” (my understanding) or “obedience” which was Hate’s (pb’s) understanding. "Obedience" would be rule based, since, naturally, that philosophy is based on the ultimate importance of obeying the rules...whatever one believes "the rules" to be.


  56. by Donna on July 20, 2022 3:15 pm
    "You're conflating the two issues. What about the unarmed woman that was murdered? You seem to believe she deserved being shot by your reactions. Then you fabricate blame for officers dying." - olde dud

    Wow olde dud, I would have expected that you would have more respect for the police and the rule of law.

    According to accounts:

    Shooting during the attempted breach of the Speaker's Lobby

    At 2:44 p.m., law enforcement was trying to "defend two fronts" to the House Chamber, and "a lot of members [of Congress] and staff that were in danger at the time".[53][54] Pipe bombs had been discovered outside the Democratic National Committee and the Republican National Committee,[55][56] and Capitol Police officers had been warned that many attackers were carrying concealed weapons.[57]

    Babbitt, wearing a Trump flag as a cape, was part of several dozens of rioters who approached the Speaker's Lobby, adjacent to the House chambers.[7][58] Three uniformed officers were posted outside the Lobby when they were threatened by the crowd. One member of the mob yelled, "Fuck the Blue" (blue in this case referring to the blue color of the uniforms of most police departments). One officer guarding the door told the others "They're ready to roll", and the three officers moved away from the barricaded door leading to the Speaker's Lobby.[7] No longer impeded by police, one rioter, Zachary Jordan Alam, smashed a glass window in the door.[15][59] Many lawmakers and staff were being evacuated by Capitol Police,[12] but some were trapped in the House balcony.[60]

    Babbitt, hoisted by two men,[21] attempted to climb through the shattered window. She was then shot in the neck/shoulder by Capitol Police Lieutenant Michael Byrd[13][12] and fell back among the other protesters.[21] Babbitt had been warned not to proceed through the window: one witness recalled that "A number of police and Secret Service were saying 'Get back! Get down! Get out of the way!'; [Babbitt] didn't heed the call."[61]

    A Capitol Police emergency response team administered aid, and Babbitt was transported to Washington Hospital Center where she later died; Babbitt was 35 years old.[12] She was unarmed at the time of the shooting.[62][63]

    Republican Representative Markwayne Mullin, a witness to Babbitt's attempted breach, said that the Capitol Police "didn't have a choice" but to shoot, and that this action "saved people's lives".[53][64]

    The shooting was recorded on several cameras, and footage was widely circulated.[65] John Earle Sullivan, who recorded footage of the shooting, was arrested for his role in the attack.[66] Zachary Alam was also arrested for his role in the attack.[67][68]

    Investigation

    Following the routine process for shootings by Capitol Police officers, the Metropolitan Police Department of the District of Columbia and the United States Department of Justice investigated Babbitt's death and made a determination that the shooting was "lawful and within Department policy".[15][69][70] Upon clearing Lt Byrd, USCP released a press statement saying his action "potentially saved Members and staff from serious injury and possible death".[16]

    Public remarks by CSPD Officer Lt Byrd

    After being cleared of wrongdoing, Lieutenant Michael Byrd made his name public in an August 2021 interview for NBC News.[71][72][73][74][75] He said his name had been previously revealed in right-wing media and online forums and he had received racist (Byrd is African-American) and violent threats, causing him to remain in hiding for several months.

    Looking back on his January 6 experience, Byrd said: "Once we barricaded the doors, we were essentially trapped where we were. There was no way to retreat. No other way to get out. If they get through that door, they're into the House chamber and upon the members of Congress." He stated that he had pulled the trigger as a "last resort" after the mob of protesters ignored his repeated orders to get back, and that he had no idea at that moment that Babbitt was unarmed and was a woman. Byrd commented: "I know that day I saved countless lives. I know members of Congress, as well as my fellow officers and staff, were in jeopardy and in serious danger. And that's my job".[62]

    ***

    "During your "summer of love" event, you NEVER spoke about the police being assassinated or EMS crews being injured because of the rioting. I have mentioned Dorn over a dozen times. You have never responded to that wanton murder." - olde dud

    I don't remember those posts. Could be I forgot, or maybe I didn't read them. I honestly don't remember many specifics about what I said about those riots.
    One thing I do remember saying, though, that anyone who broke the law should be arrested, put on trial, and incarcerated if found guilty. One thing I DIDN'T do is deflect or engage in whataboutism like you're doing.

    I've argued with lefties on Facebook who tried to justify the violence. Again, you make all kinds of assumptions about me that aren't true. It's as if you NEED me to be this horrible person so that you can direct all of your pent up anger at liberals towards me. That's why I don't enjoy discussing anything with you.


  57. by Donna on July 20, 2022 3:17 pm
    Sources to the info I posted on the killing of Ashley Babbitt can be found at the link below.



    en.wikipedia.org


  58. by Donna on July 22, 2022 8:59 am
    If you haven't done so already, take a look at my post several up from this - the one that's all in bold type of a conversation Hts took part in back in December. Notice that he characterizes people in the Capitol building as "cowering" under their desks and referring to them as "wimps".

    His comments are particularly offensive in the wake of the revelations that came out of last night's Jan 6th hearing from the head of the White House Security team - particularly the revelation that as the armed and unhinged, as Hts likes to say "mostly peaceful gathering" were trying to break into a chamber where VP Pence and many others were taking refuge, members of Pence's security detail were phoning family members to prepare them for the possibility that they were going to be killed. These were Secret Service personnel and they were scared to death.

    As the head of the White House Security was testifying, you could hear him getting emotional during that part. He said it was still hard for him to talk about it.


  59. by HatetheSwamp on July 22, 2022 11:10 am

    ...particularly the revelation that as the armed and unhinged, as Hts likes to say "mostly peaceful gathering" were trying to break into a chamber where VP Pence...

    Now, c'mon, Jack! Read the polls.

    You HAVE to understand this one. Well, you Blue Ultra-MAGAs never have been long on self-awareness.

    During the Summer of Love, in 020, remember when Antifa and BLM fanatics were tearing up and burning down numerous American cities and CNN described those as "mostly peaceful protests?" Well, CNN did.

    It's like that.


  60. by Donna on July 22, 2022 5:53 pm
    ^^^^^^ The predictable deflection ^^^^^^


  61. by Curt_Anderson on July 22, 2022 5:59 pm
    93% OF BLACK LIVES MATTER PROTESTS HAVE BEEN PEACEFUL, NEW REPORT FINDS
    BY SANYA MANSOOR SEPTEMBER 5, 2020 11:47 AM EDT
    The vast majority of Black Lives Matter protests—more than 93%—have been peaceful, according to a new report published Thursday by a nonprofit that researches political violence and protests across the world.

    The Armed Conflict Location & Event Data Project (ACLED) analyzed more than 7,750 Black Lives Matter demonstrations in all 50 states and Washington D.C. that took place in the wake of George Floyd’s death between May 26 and August 22.

    Their report states that more than 2,400 locations reported peaceful protests, while fewer than 220 reported “violent demonstrations.” The authors define violent demonstrations as including “acts targeting other individuals, property, businesses, other rioting groups or armed actors.” Their definition includes anything from “fighting back against police” to vandalism, property destruction looting, road-blocking using barricades, burning tires or other materials. In cities where protests did turn violent—these demonstrations are “largely confined to specific blocks,” the report says.

    The ACLED report includes protests toppling statues of “colonial figures, slave owners and Confederate leaders” as violent incidents. “Since Floyd’s killing, there have been at least 38 incidents in which demonstrators have significantly damaged or torn down memorials around the country,” the report states.

    Still, many people continue to believe that Black Lives Matter protests are largely violent—contrary to the report’s findings. ACLED highlights a recent Morning Consult poll in which 42% of respondents believe “most protesters (associated with the BLM movement) are trying to incite violence or destroy property.” ACLED suggests this “disparity stems from political orientation and biased media framing… such as disproportionate coverage of violent demonstrations.”

    time.com


  62. by Donna on July 23, 2022 11:52 am
    Kenneth Copeland leads the Christofascist "Watchman Decree" cult.

    "Does Kenneth Copeland give anyone else the screaming fantods? He gives me a seriously negative visceral reaction. There's something way off about the guy. Like 'AntiChrist'-level off. If I went to hell and was greeted by Copeland, I would not be surprised. We should not be shocked that people who follow a guy like this will fawn over Donald Trump."

    Sean R. Shealy


  63. by Donna on July 23, 2022 11:54 am
    From the Babylon Bee.

    Kenneth Copeland In A Real Pickle After Audience Member Names, Claims His Private Jet

    DALLAS, TX - A man in the audience during a Kenneth Copeland "day of healing and victory" event yelled out to the televangelist, clearly and forcefully naming and claiming Copeland's 2005 Cessna 750 Citation X in the name of Jesus, leaving Copeland in a real pickle, sources confirmed.

    The 79-year-old was delivering a rousing message entitled "Victory Is Already Yours" when he reportedly invited the audience to cry out exactly what they were "believing God for," promising that all their wishes had already been purchased for them by the blood of Jesus, and by naming and claiming the items they were, in fact, taking ownership of them.

    So when a shrewd man in the front row cried out "I claim your $25 million Citation X in the name of Jesus!" in a voice so loud Copeland could not possibly ignore it, the preacher had no choice but to address him.

    "Then it's yours, young man, it's yours! Glory to God!" he reportedly replied while wiping his brow, adding that the man should see him after the service in order to arrange the title transfer.

    A crestfallen Copeland continued the message, visibly distracted as he reportedly tried to think of a way out of his conundrum, not wanting to give up his precious high-speed aircraft but unsure how to escape the situation without betraying the theology he has been championing for decades.

    At publishing time, the televangelist was feeling a little better after remembering that he also owns a Cessna 550 Citation Bravo.


    babylonbee.com


  64. by Donna on July 23, 2022 12:29 pm
    Marjorie Taylor Greene is a member of the Watchman Decree cult, which is a Dominionist group. See the 2:45 mark at the video link at the bottom.

    Btw the narrator of the video is a Christian who calls himself "The Millenial Heretic". He does a brilliant point-by-point deconstruction of the Watchman Decree from a Christian standpoint.





    youtube.com


  65. by HatetheSwamp on July 24, 2022 8:18 am

    Donna,

    I'm baffled. Has someone been entering posts in my name defending and supporting MTG?

    If so, we need to notify Curt


  66. by HatetheSwamp on July 24, 2022 8:23 am

    BTW, I missed that BEE article
    Good one!


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