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What we should know about the Highland Park shooter.

By Curt_Anderson
July 5, 2022 10:06 pm
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I don't want to give this murderer any more notoriety by showing his photo or mentioning his name. You can find online all that along with that of which I write below.

He practically advertised his intentions of mass murder on the internet. If he were Islamic, somebody would have acted upon the dictum "if you see something, say something". Homeland security should be following up on these Incel type domestic terrorist as if they were Muslim international terrorists.
He was suicidal, he threatened to "kill everybody".
He was transphobic which might account partially for his wearing of women's clothing as a disguise.
Police in response to concerns about his mental health removed knives and swords from the home. He would seem to have been a candidate for the Red Flag law, but family member apparently didn't pursue that route.
His father was an unsuccessful Republican candidate for mayor of their Chicago suburb.
He, like his father, is a Trump supporter.
His father "liked" a pro-gun tweet in the aftermath of Uvalde.
His mother sold quack cures and dubious therapies online.
His looks like a weirdo. He is reminiscent of the Sandy Hook killer's appearance with addition of facial tattoos.
The sickening audio of the gunfire sounded like a machine gun. There is no good reason for anybody to have such a high-powered, high-capacity rapid-fire weapon like this kid used to kill seven people and injure dozens more.

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  1. by rocker on July 6, 2022 3:37 am
    I think gun should not be sold so openly where anyone can purchase it like a burger.

    Government agency should have a gun store in every city where they would first do a background check on anyone who intends to buy a gun. After satisfactory reason of buyer for purchasing gun and proper background check they should issue the gun.

    What's your take on this?


  2. by HatetheSwamp on July 6, 2022 4:01 am

    Yo, rocker. Welcome.

    I agree that "Red Flag laws" that don't abuse due process must be applied wisely.



  3. by oldedude on July 6, 2022 5:49 am
    Rocker.
    First, background checks are up to the state. During the all my guns were bought when I had my clearance. TS/SCI/ Gamma. Like everyone else, I was required to fill out the 4 page ATF Form 4473 for each gun. If I bought two that day, I filled out two forms. The requests go to the state (the responsible agency).

    The issue with "Red Flag Laws," as lead alluded to, is that as it's written, it violates due process. The person in question has no recourse in the courts and may be in violation without knowing it. If you fix that, I think that's the most sensible single law you could have. The other end of it, is there must be a reporting system that actually works.

    Another thing not on the MSM, is marijuana use. This is one of the common features with mass shooters. The levels of THC when I was a teenager were in the 10% range. Now their in the 80-90% range. The psychosis and paranoia is also a common trait among mass shooters. In the legal gun ownership culture, you don't carry if you're going to have "a" drink, and because THC is fat soluble, you don't smoke weed or do gummies.


  4. by oldedude on July 6, 2022 7:45 am
    Back to the subject at hand. We know he had a propencity for violence. We know that he went

    "Conspiracy theorist subreddits also saw a flurry of posts speculating wildly about his purported 'antifa' leanings, including posts with outright manipulation that involves bundling together several unrelated, out-of-context, or debunked images to imply a connection.

    In any case, the information that we have about Crimo is limited. Although Crimo appears to have attended Trump rallies and may have made the effort to see the president in convoy, we still can't yet be certain about his motivation for doing so.

    Nor can we state for certain if his political leanings (whatever they may transpire to be) impacted his decision. While it does appear that Crimo may have been supportive of Trump at some point, we don't know what the extent or authenticity of his support was."
    newsweek.com


  5. by HatetheSwamp on July 6, 2022 7:49 am

    In the end, I suspect that it will be determined that his motivation will turn out to have been psychotic and irrational.

    But, the Antifa connection is interesting.


  6. by Curt_Anderson on July 6, 2022 9:03 am
    "After satisfactory reason of buyer for purchasing gun and proper background check they should issue the gun."--Rocker

    I personally agree with that, certainly on the kind of guns that were used to kill people on the 4th of July. Second Amendment enthusiast would vehemently disagree. They believe the default should be that there needs to be a satisfactory reason NOT to allow the purchase of a gun. In other words the onus should be on the government not the buyer, according to NRA and similar groups.


  7. by Curt_Anderson on July 6, 2022 9:30 am
    I predict one or more of the shooter's parents probably his father will be charged with a crime. After the shooter had his knives and swords confiscated by the police because of mental health concerns the shooter was able to buy an AR-15.


  8. by oldedude on July 6, 2022 10:02 am
    'They believe the default should be that there needs to be a satisfactory reason NOT to allow the purchase of a gun. In other words the onus should be on the government not the buyer, according to NRA and similar groups."

    Yeah.... That Damned constitution of ours always getting in the way of the Liberal World Order! If people would only report where they should, and have that in inner city illegal gun trades where felons are selling to felons, you could take care of 99.8% of the gun crime! This issue is that so far, there are tells that people say are "obvious" red flags they are not willing to have police make reports. You talk about this (which I agree with you on), but haven't said anything about the 35 other deaths, and 145 wounded. That would deflate your argument.

    Should Crimo had guns? No.
    Who's at fault?
    The state of IL for not having any way to report this behavior (no state does, but it needs to be on their "to-do" list)
    The people that were too negligent to fill out a report.
    The social fear of wrongfully accusing someone of being unstable.
    Regardless of the background check, with the information provided, they could not have found him to be wrongfully owning a gun.


  9. by oldedude on July 6, 2022 10:07 am
    I predict one or more of the shooter's parents probably his father will be charged with a crime. After the shooter had his knives and swords confiscated by the police because of mental health concerns the shooter was able to buy an AR-15.

    That would be a real stretch for a 22 year old. If he was 16-17, yes. 22? not so much. Again, there needed to be reports done. And a checkbox for police to check if it's a potential gun issue.


  10. by Curt_Anderson on July 6, 2022 10:45 am
    OD,
    Highland Park suspect’s father sponsored gun permit application, police say
    (Washington Post)The Illinois State Police confirmed on Tuesday that the father of the Highland Park parade shooting suspect sponsored his son’s application for a gun permit months after relatives reported that Robert E. Crimo III had threatened to “kill everyone,” and that authorities had “insufficient basis” to deny the application.

    The revelation that Crimo, 21, had at least two previous encounters with law enforcement has raised new questions about how he was able to legally purchase his guns and whether more could have been done to prevent the massacre that killed seven people and injured more than 30.

    In September 2019, a family member told Highland Park police that Crimo had threatened to “kill everyone,” said Christopher Covelli, a spokesman for the Lake County Major Crime Task Force. Officers visited Crimo’s home and confiscated 16 knives, a dagger and a sword, but made no arrest, Covelli said on Tuesday, because they lacked probable cause. However, they notified Illinois State Police, he said.

    Months later, in December, Crimo applied for a firearm owner’s identification card, the document required to possess a gun in Illinois. Because Crimo was under 21 at the time, state law required him to have the consent of a parent or guardian before he could own a firearm or ammunition. According to state police, which issues the cards, Crimo’s father sponsored the permit application.
    washingtonpost.com


  11. by oldedude on July 6, 2022 3:43 pm
    Curt,

    So I rest my case. A lot going on, no one did a report or made legal note of it. If the cops told dad that everything was fine and they didn't have a case, then I can't see that he would be held accountable. Did the cops screw up? Maybe. Hindsight is always 20/20, isn't it?
    As I was saying, there needs to be a checkbox the officer on scene can check as a red flag. Does one report do it" I hope not, but a history from different jurisdictions, etc is well worth it.

    IL has one of the most restrictive gun laws in the US, and this one got past them, along with all of chicago. There has to be something missing in their (and everyone else's) laws that is a better piece to look at this.


  12. by Curt_Anderson on July 6, 2022 3:55 pm
    Really, OD, you don't think the parents shoulder any blame? When it comes to parents protecting their kids from mentions of homosexuality and slavery in schools, you are all for activist parents. When it comes to a deranged kids buying AR-15 rifles you give uninvolved, oblivious parents a pass.

    The Crimo's lawyer, Steve Greenberg, on Tuesday had insisted that the dad — a one-time mayoral candidate — only sponsored his son’s gun-buying spree because he had no idea about the threats or the collection of 16 knives, a dagger and a sword that were confiscated at the time.
    nypost.com


  13. by oldedude on July 6, 2022 5:17 pm
    The kid was over 18. I don't agree with what dad did, just to be clear. legally? he seems like an enabler. He told the cops the knife collection was his. Did he lie about that? be a good guess. Dad sounds like a piece of work himself. We used to deal with parents like that. "Little johnny" could do no wrong, but was a little shthead in real life. And I'm not sure what the form looks like. It hasn't been an option in any of the states I've lived in.

    Jr is still alive, so my guess is he's going to Stateville for awhile. He's old enough, multiple homicides, etc. he might not last 5 years.


  14. by Curt_Anderson on July 6, 2022 5:41 pm
    "Jr is still alive, so my guess is he's going to Stateville for awhile. He's old enough, multiple homicides, etc. he might not last 5 years." --OD

    That sounds about right. There is a nearly a century old precedent for your estimate. Richard Loeb, of Leopold and Loeb infamy, another youthful Chicagoland murderer lasted about five years in Statesville Prison before he was attacked and killed by a fellow prisoner.


  15. by Curt_Anderson on July 8, 2022 12:32 pm
    "I predict one or more of the shooter's parents probably his father will be charged with a crime." --Me

    Charges not ruled out for Highland Park suspect’s father
    Authorities have not ruled out criminal charges against the father of alleged Highland Park gunman Robert Crimo III – as his parents retained a new attorney late Thursday.

    State Police Director Brendan Kelly told reporters that the accused gunman’s father, Robert Crimo Jr., faces potential civil liability as the criminal investigation continues into the Fourth of July shooting that slaughtered seven people in the Chicago suburb.
    nypost.com


  16. by Curt_Anderson on July 8, 2022 6:13 pm
    The whole Crimo family seems nuts...
    "Robert Crimo’s dad was ‘right’ to help him get guns: uncle"
    nypost.com


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