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The I'm With Stupid Party takes election fraud conspiracy theories global

By Curt_Anderson
April 27, 2022 12:23 pm
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Not content with peddling election fraud conspiracy theories stateside, Arizona State Senator Wendy Rogers is now exporting her own brand of Nutella to France, which ended its presidential election on Sunday.

That night, Rogers regurgitated a trope about stolen elections on Twitter. That's not news for the first-term Flagstaff Republican, but this time, she wasn’t talking about Arizona or the United States.

[Even though incumbent Emmanuel] Macron defeated right-wing leader Marine Le Pen to become the first French president in two decades to win a second term [and that] Macron won by a comfortable margin of 17 percentage points, securing 58.5 percent of the national vote, Rogers tweeted this:

“Macron stole the election. Dig deeper our fellow French patriots! You guys know how to party like it is 1776.”



It's easy to laugh off this brand of idiocy. But it's important to realize how those who promote unfounded election fraud conspiracy theories are perniciously anti-democratic. Nothing is more fundamental to democracy than the voters' faith in free and fair elections.

Notice that Rogers make no attempt to prove or other any evidence that the Macron stole the election. She knows her constituency and Trump-supporters elsewhere will swallow her assertions without question. That gullibility leads to authoritarianism. As Voltaire once said, “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.”

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Comments on "The I'm With Stupid Party takes election fraud conspiracy theories global":

  1. by HatetheSwamp on April 27, 2022 12:41 pm

    Couldn't agree more. "unfounded election fraud conspiracy theories are perniciously anti-democratic."


  2. by Curt_Anderson on April 27, 2022 12:57 pm
    unfounded
    [ uhn-foun-did ]
    adjective
    without foundation; not based on fact, realistic considerations, or the like.

    Unfounded are the only type of election fraud conspiracy theories that you post. Your go-to "evidence" of election fraud are that polls show that a portion of the population believes that the 2020 election was stolen.

    You've gone so far as to "we'll never know", as if the guy who you think has dementia became president because of an ingenious and undetectable plot to steal the election. You can't explain why the unseen hand that you think stole the election hasn't used their nefarious power to make Biden more popular.


  3. by HatetheSwamp on April 27, 2022 1:02 pm

    Here's my prediction, there, Curt: As Twitter transitions into the Musk era, suppressed facts are permitted to come to light, the narrative will change and it'll become difficult for you to be smug.

    Time will tell.


  4. by Donna on April 27, 2022 1:16 pm
    More like suppressed horseshit.


  5. by HatetheSwamp on April 27, 2022 1:21 pm

    Hope springs eternal, eh?

    We shall see what we shall see.


  6. by Curt_Anderson on April 27, 2022 1:24 pm
    So you believe that "suppressed facts" will come to light once Musk controls Twitter, eh?

    What stopped this supposed evidence from convincing the 60-some courts? Why isn't Tucker or Sean making the incontrovertible case? What about Trump's Truth Social?


  7. by HatetheSwamp on April 27, 2022 2:27 pm

    No.

    The facts are known. You don't know them because you have chosen to allow yourself to be deluded by the SwampMedia.

    But, the new Twitter regime will allow truth to be told...that and the hearings and trials that will be held by the House in 023.


  8. by Curt_Anderson on April 27, 2022 2:41 pm
    HtS,
    You have yet to explain why the non-swamp media that you rely on such as Clay & Buck, Hannity, Carlson, NewMax and whatever channel it is the broadcasts Trump rallies haven't credibly provided evidence of how the 2020 was purportedly stolen.

    To take one supposedly stolen state's election, why haven't the Cyber Ninjas made the case that Trump won Arizona? It's not as if the Democrats control Arizona.

    I don't want to say you are stupid, but if a person believes stupid things...



  9. by HatetheSwamp on April 27, 2022 3:03 pm

    They have demonstrated that extensive fraud took place.

    Maybe you heard that thing about Hunter's laptop. Have you heard the several ways that Joe's being connected to those shenanigans?

    Probably.

    But, you only give it minimal credence, if you do, because the NYT, the WaPo, CNN and CBS acknowledged a small part of the story.

    Lots of stuff you don't want to know...but will have the opportunity to.


  10. by Curt_Anderson on April 27, 2022 3:08 pm
    Where and what is this supposedly demonstrated evidence of extensive voter fraud?

    What does Hunter Biden's laptop have to do with the allegedly stolen 2020 election?

    Try to focus.


  11. by HatetheSwamp on April 27, 2022 3:24 pm

    The Hunter laptop proves how smug you, in particular, can be about truth when you want to ignore it...as you're being smu now about the existence of evidence of voter fraud which is being suppressed by the SwampMedia.

    You'll recall that Twitter suspended the NYP until the paper withdrew the laptop story. And, for the willingly blind, end the story, until after the election.

    Soon, similar stories will no longer be suppressed.

    Enjoy the bliss of your SwampMedia provided ignorance while you have it. The social media monopoly that has silenced inconvenient truth for you Swampcult Blue MAGAs has been broken.


  12. by Curt_Anderson on April 27, 2022 3:47 pm
    HtS,
    We've asked you repeatedly for links to this "existence of evidence of voter fraud which is being suppressed by the SwampMedia." I just asked you for any evidence from the non-SwampMedia where you apparently get your information. So far, bupkis other than your firmly held conviction that the election was rigged against Trump. As if Trump wasn't blatantly trying to pressure Georgia's and other secretaries of state to overturn their state's electoral results.

    I am beginning to think you've got nuthin'.


  13. by islander on April 27, 2022 4:24 pm

    Curt,
    The Republicans, I think it’s about 43% of them, still think the election must have been stolen. So if a big enough crowd of people think something is true (mob-think) then it's true. Any actual evidence of this has got to be being kept from us by the media, including the media outlets that have been pushing the hardest to promote the idea of election fraud, which of course is why we don't know about it "yet".

    But...as Hate knows, there are “people” who know what that hidden evidence is and they are going to let us all know on Twitter now that Musk has bought it.

    Makes perfect sense…Doesn’t it ??? 🙄


  14. by HatetheSwamp on April 28, 2022 4:41 am

    Curt,

    I have got nuthin just like I had nuthin with with that Russia disinformation laptop.

    The people on the left are poopin their pants over Twitter. Ask yourself. How could it possibly be bothersome that the only change Elon Musk envisions to change the algorithms to empower free speech.

    You sneered at me every time I suggested that the laptop thing was real. Well, Twitter prevented dialog over it...and, you "lapped" that up.

    As far as the many pieces of evidence that suggest voter fraud that has leaked to me through the old social media Iron Curtain? There's lots of it. Undoubtedly some of it is wacko. I can't really vet it either.

    We do know about the Pennsylvania whistle-blower who released real video related to the chain of custody for thousands of ballots, and in only one Dem county. There's effin video of real election officials admitting it...happily. Reports, suppressed by the social media Iron Curtain, is that chain of evidence shenanigans were a Dem strategy and par for the course.

    Word is that there's hard evidence, achieved through the tracking of cell phone locations and of CCTV cameras trained on remote ballot boxes of monumental ballot harvesting.


    Here's where we are now. You sneered when I suggested that the laptop contained legitimate evidence of Hunter's crimes. And, protected by the crumbling social media iron curtain, you're slapping your knee over the suggestion that facts about voter fraud are about to come to light. There's a minute chance that you're right.

    I seriously doubt it for two reasons. One is that the left is too upset about Musk buying Twitter. There's no reason for their insane reaction...unless Dems, and the left, know something.

    The other is that, watch right wing media, from late 020 on. They've been behaving as if they have strong reason to suspect significant voter fraud but, legalities being what they are, have been restraining themselves.

    It's true that the left has gone bonkers over Twitter. What you, who like to pretend the very existence of right wing media away, couldn't possibly know is that the right has been orgasmic over Twitter in a way that is inexplicable...unless they know something.

    Were I a betin man, I'd bet on facts coming to light that are extremely inconvenient for the narrative you believe in.


  15. by HatetheSwamp on April 28, 2022 4:44 am

    No, isle. It's nearly half of likely voters who believe in substantial voter fraud. About 70% of those idiot GOPs likely voters believe.


  16. by islander on April 28, 2022 6:43 am

    You seem to think mob-think can be used to determines truth? You’ve always had a problem with truth, Hate. Even though you seem to think that if a lot of people believe something, it must mean its true; truth is not determined by how many people believe its true. If that were the case, since most Americans believe the election was legitimate, that would mean it was legitimate. I’d never use that as evidence that it wasn’t stolen because truth is “not determined that way”. Truth is that which conforms to reality, it’s not dependent on how many people believe or disbelieve it.

    ” A March survey from Reuters/Ipsos found that more than half of Republicans endorsed a false claim that the attack was “led by violent leftwing protesters trying to make Trump look bad”, and also said they believed that the people who gathered at the Capitol “were mostly peaceful, law-abiding Americans”.

    Do you really think the attack was “led by violent leftwing protesters trying to make Trump look bad” ?

    ”In mid-March, researchers at the University of Chicago attempted to home in on the percentage of Americans who still believed in Trump’s “big lie,” and who also may be willing to act violently as a result, using a nationally representative sample of a thousand American adults.

    Two-thirds of the respondents said they believed the election was legitimate, the researchers found. Another 27% said they believed the election had been stolen from Trump, but endorsed only non-violent protest. Only 4% said they believed the election was stolen, and also expressed a willingness to engage in violent protest.”

    theguardian.com


  17. by Donna on April 28, 2022 7:37 am
    It's hard to tell, but I think Hts has gone off the deep end. He simply isn't rational. In his mind, he lives in a different universe. I see you guys trying, employing reason, but it's impossible to reason with someone who has lost all reasonableness. The sad thing for pur democracy is that this disease has infected over half of Republican voters. It's as if they're possessed.


  18. by islander on April 28, 2022 7:58 am

    Donna,

    I do believe those people are possessed in the same sense that any cult member could be called possessed. And you are absolutely right, you cannot reason with them, and the more reason and logic you use, the more vigorously they will defend their beliefs and block out anything that they feel threatens those beliefs.


  19. by Donna on April 28, 2022 8:18 am
    Bingo islander. And with that thought, I think we could all spend our time more constructively. If I were to dig a ditch, refill it, and do that over and over, I would be accomplishing more than I accomplish here because at least I'd be getting exercise.

    I think it was Einstein who said that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. So in that respect, we're insane.


  20. by HatetheSwamp on April 28, 2022 9:27 am

    I think it's a myth that Einstein said that. But, he was a pretty smart guy.


  21. by Donna on April 28, 2022 9:32 am
    Just checked. You're right.


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