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Would someone explain to me why Gov. DeSantis banned something like 52 math textbooks because the books supposedly teach CRT?

By Donna
April 22, 2022 12:10 pm
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Have any examples of math books supposedly teaching CRT been publicized?

Wise words from a brilliant math teacher regarding the crazy CRT myth:

"Math has dozens of words or terms that express concepts that are entirely mathematical, but have different meanings outside of mathematics. Examples include 'radical', 'integration', 'analysis', 'binary', 'non-binary', 'imaginary numbers', 'latus rectum'. To have people with no training in mathematics go through math books, eliminating any books that include words or phrases offensive to them is too ludicrous to imagine. Yet, here we are. The problem with people without math backgrounds selecting texts in mathematics goes far beyond the classroom. Mathematics is the basis for all sciences, including medicine. So this ludicrous decision to let parents pick the text books for mathematics will echo for generations, as we produce ill prepared scientists, doctors, engineers. No wonder master teachers are fleeing the profession in unimaginable numbers. Sigh, weighty sigh."

- Judy Murden Donaldson

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  1. by HatetheSwamp on April 22, 2022 12:28 pm


    You come across to me as pretending to ask a question while, in truth, hoping to make a very thinly veiled rhetorical, hate-based argument. B$-ing is, in fact, in the eye of the beholder.

    Nevertheless, for anyone actually seeking fact...

    View Video

  2. by Curt_Anderson on April 22, 2022 12:29 pm
    Do you mean why he banned them besides appealing to the ignorami of Florida and beyond?

  3. by Donna on April 22, 2022 12:40 pm
    Thank you, Hts. The 2 examples cited actually were good examples.

  4. by Donna on April 22, 2022 12:49 pm
    I'll predict that MSNBC won't show those examples.

  5. by HatetheSwamp on April 22, 2022 12:59 pm


    You're right. That's why I watch MSNBC and Fox. They both ignore about half of the news.


    DeSantis isn't banning anything. He's simply choosing not to buy those books. I imagine that there's a list of the books that have been rejected. I suggest that you go out and buy at least one of each.

  6. by Donna on April 22, 2022 1:21 pm
    It's my understand that those books are being removed from the curriculum. If so, that would constitute a ban.

  7. by islander on April 22, 2022 1:29 pm

    Simply choosing not to buy a book is just that, “Choosing not to buy a book”. That’s fine, nothing wrong with that.

    Telling schools they are not allowed to buy and use certain books is banning those books. The Catholic Church used to have a list of banned books that Catholics were not allowed to read. That didn’t work out too well because they had no power to enforce it. DeSantis, along with his blackshirts, currently seem to have the power to enforce his ban. At least for now.

  8. by HatetheSwamp on April 22, 2022 1:41 pm

    C'mon man, gimme a break! You're just being silly now, isle. The state supplies substantial funding for public schools.

    I'm certain that if a school chooses to refuse state support in order to use one of the non-approved books, DeSantis would happily say, "Have at it!!!!!"

  9. by islander on April 22, 2022 1:57 pm

    Sure the schools could try and defy DeSants' book ban, just like they did with his school mask mess.

    But like I said, "DeSantis, along with his blackshirts, currently seem to have the power to enforce his ban. At least for now."

  10. by HatetheSwamp on April 22, 2022 2:11 pm

    Um, isle, he's the governor of the state.

  11. by islander on April 22, 2022 2:32 pm

    Very good Hate!

    I'm impressed that you know DeSantis is the governor of Florida ! 👍

  12. by Donna on April 22, 2022 2:36 pm
    I earned a Bachelor of Science in Math and taught at a jr. high student teacher. If I were given the task of designing word problems for use in a text book, I would never use the problems I created to push a political agenda. When people do that sort of thing, they invite criticism and it makes liberals look underhanded, which in this case they were.

    With that said, I wish that CRT was taught in public schools. I grew up in a Christian Republican family in an all-White neighborhood, so I was exposed to all sorts of racist ideas when I was a kid.

    Then on the first day of jr. high, I remember sitting in my homeroom class watching a middle-aged Black woman walk back and forth between the teacher's desk and the hallway. I honestly thought she was the cleaning woman. It turned out that she, Mrs. Hunley, was my homeroom and American History teacher, and an incredible one at that. She also taught us Black History, which I'm guessing was outside of the approved curriculum. We learned the ugly side of American History as it pertained to Whites' treatment of "Negros". She was easily the most influential teacher I've ever had. She opened my eyes. The Republican Party apparently doesn't want that. They would like to shut all of that down and pretend that it never happened.

  13. by HatetheSwamp on April 23, 2022 6:20 am

    So, you want to replace the racism of CRT for old fashioned racism?

    Many, by now, deplore all forms of racism.

  14. by HatetheSwamp on April 23, 2022 6:26 am

    I think this is apropos to the title of this thread.

    It may be time to identify the Blue MAGA illness of the 020s: DDS. Bahahahahahahahahahaha.

    'Execute Order 66,' Says Ron DeSantis Ordering The Execution Of All Disney Mascots

  15. by Donna on April 23, 2022 9:34 am
    CRT is a part of American history. That's why Mrs. Hunley taught it to us White kids. Btw, I started 7th grade months after Dr. King was assassinated and the riots which followed.

  16. by HatetheSwamp on April 23, 2022 9:42 am

    CRT is, as its name declares, a THEORY, an interpretation of historical events.

    It's a theory steeped in racism.

  17. by Donna on April 23, 2022 9:43 am
    Actually Mrs. Hunley didn't teach CRT, but she laid the groundwork for it in our minds.

    Critical race theory (CRT) is a cross-disciplinary intellectual and social movement of civil-rights scholars and activists who seek to examine the intersection of race, society, and law in the United States and to challenge mainstream American liberal approaches to racial justice. For example, the CRT conceptual framework is one way to study racial bias in laws and institutions, such as the how and why of incarceration rates and how sentencing differs among racial groups in the United States. CRT is also used in sociology to explain social, political, and legal structures and power distribution through the lens of race. The word critical in its name is an academic term that refers to critical thinking, critical theory, and scholarly criticism, rather than criticizing or blaming people. It first arose in the 1970s, like other "critical" schools of thought, such as Critical Legal Studies, which examines how legal rules protect the status quo.

    A key CRT concept is intersectionality—the way in which different forms of inequality and identity are affected by interconnections of race, class, gender and disability. Scholars of CRT view race as a social construct with no biological basis. One tenet of CRT is that racism and disparate racial outcomes are the result of complex, changing, and often subtle social and institutional dynamics, rather than explicit and intentional prejudices of individuals. CRT scholars argue that the social and legal construction of race advances the interests of white people at the expense of people of color, and that the liberal notion of U.S. law as "neutral" plays a significant role in maintaining a racially unjust social order, where formally color-blind laws continue to have racially discriminatory outcomes.

    CRT began in the United States in the post–civil rights era, as 1960s landmark civil rights laws were being eroded and schools were being re-segregated. With racial inequalities persisting even after civil rights legislation was enacted, CRT scholars in the 1970s and 1980s began reworking and expanding critical legal studies (CLS) theories on class, economic structure and the law to examine the role of U.S. law in perpetuating racism. CRT, a framework of analysis grounded in critical theory, originated in the mid-1970s in the writings of several American legal scholars, including Derrick Bell, Alan Freeman, Kimberlé Crenshaw, Richard Delgado, Cheryl Harris, Charles R. Lawrence III, Mari Matsuda, and Patricia J. Williams. CRT draws from the work of thinkers such as Antonio Gramsci, Sojourner Truth, Frederick Douglass, and W. E. B. DuBois, as well as the Black Power, Chicano, and radical feminist movements from the 1960s and 1970s.

    Academic critics of CRT argue it is based on storytelling instead of evidence and reason, rejects truth and merit, and opposes liberalism. Since 2020, conservative U.S. lawmakers have sought to ban or restrict the instruction of CRT along with other anti‑racism education in primary and secondary schools, as well as relevant training inside federal agencies. Advocates of such bans argue that CRT is anti-American, villainizes white people, and indoctrinates children. Advocates of such bans have been accused of misrepresenting the tenets and importance of CRT and of having the goal of broadly silencing discussions of racism, equality, social justice, and the history of race.

  18. by HatetheSwamp on April 23, 2022 9:54 am

    "In the 1998 article, "Critical Race Theory: Past, Present, and Future", Delgado and Stefancic trace the origins of CRT to the early writings of Derrick Albert Bell Jr. including his 1976 Yale Law Journal article, "Serving Two Masters" and his 1980 Harvard Law Review article entitled "Brown v. Board of Education and the Interest-Convergence Dilemma"."

    Clearly, Mrs. Hunley couldn't have been teaching CRT when you were in school.

    Probably a couple years ago by now, Curt and I were talking about what we were taught as history in public school.

    It focused on Presidents and wars. All very white Anglo Saxon. Undoubtedly, the trend toward a more inclusive understanding of our past is long overdue. You benefited from some of that.

    But, CRT is only one way of retelling history...and, to many of us, quite offensively.

  19. by Donna on April 23, 2022 10:15 am
    Complex theories like CRT shouldn't be taught to young kids -- and it isn't -- but I think it's appropriate for the high school level.

    A key CRT concept is intersectionality—the way in which different forms of inequality and identity are affected by interconnections of race, class, gender and disability.

    CRT carries over into other forms of systemic discrimination besides race, which have been prevalent throughout not only US history but human history.

    "CRT is, as its name declares, a THEORY, an interpretation of historical events. It's a theory steeped in racism." - Hts

    So are you saying that theories shouldn't be taught?

    On what basis did you conclude that CRT is a theory steeped in racism?

  20. by HatetheSwamp on April 23, 2022 10:46 am


    Everything that is taught is a part of some sort of interpretation. It's impossible not to teach a theory.

    But, CRT has been busted. Parents know about how its basis in hate has crept into what students are being taught. The remote teaching parents observed during the pandemic sealed CRT's doom.

    It's how Glen Youngkin was elected in Virginia and how the Dem in New Jersey most lost.

    I'm confident a more inclusive interpretation of history will be taught in the future, but I'm pretty sure that CRT is dead in the water by now.

  21. by Donna on April 23, 2022 11:55 am
    Well, you didn't answer either question I asked, and you didn't say anything in your last post.

  22. by HatetheSwamp on April 23, 2022 12:06 pm


    My entire post was a reply to your first question.

    Any sort of organized narrative of history is a theory. The only way to attempt not to employ a theory would be for the history teacher to say, write down dates and events for students to memorize with no interpretation.

    When I was in public school, the theory in the teaching of history was based in the desire to give young students an awareness of their American heritage so they'd become responsible, patriotic citizens.

    Trust me. I have training in history. You probably know that. There's always a theory.

    What's disturbing to so many parents today about CRT is what its goal is.

  23. by Donna on April 23, 2022 2:57 pm
    I think CRT is a pretty good theory and that it should at least be offered as a high school elective course.

    Just wondering - How would the topic of the civil rights movement be taught without touching on some of the material that would be covered in a CRT course?

  24. by HatetheSwamp on April 24, 2022 3:45 am

    Just wondering - How would the topic of the civil rights movement be taught without touching on some of the material that would be covered in a CRT course?

    Material? I'm not sure how you're using that word but if you mean the historical data, the events, clearly it shouldn't be.

    That's what I was getting at when I said that, in my day, in school, history was, essentially, about Presidents and wars...with the goal of turning students into responsible, patriotic citizens. Certainly, that's wrong, but, at the height of the Cold War?, understandable, even necessary?

    CRT is the sort of response to that "theory" of history that is necessary...apart from the racism.

    As to your question about how CRT is racist? Yikes! I looked for something to link to that is reasonably objective. There's practically nothing out there...from either side.

    I'm linking to a brief video that is informative and not incendiary. It aligns with the concerns of parents who were disturbed by what they witnessed in remote learning.

  25. by Donna on April 24, 2022 8:18 am
    I'll take a look at your video after I understand your answer to the question I asked you. In your first paragraph, what is the "it" in "it shouldn't be"?

  26. by HatetheSwamp on April 24, 2022 8:47 am

    It="some of the material that would be covered in a CRT course."

  27. by Donna on April 24, 2022 9:15 am
    The civil rights movement was a response to systemic racism and the negative effect it has on Black Americans, which is the crux of CRT.

  28. by HatetheSwamp on April 24, 2022 9:42 am

    by Donna on April 24, 2022 9:15 am
    The civil rights movement was a response to systemic racism and the negative effect it has on Black Americans, which is the crux of CRT.

    You can't know how thoroughly and passionately I disagree.

    Undoubtedly, prejudice, in many forms, not just racist, has always been present in human interaction. (As a side point, read through Agatha Christie's Poirot novels sometime. She regularly mocks, tongue in cheek, the silly xenophobia of the English.)

    Prejudice is predominant. I think that the contention that it systematic is gross, dangerous hyperbole.

    The religious "denomination" that I was a part of for most of my life, formed in the decades prior to the Civil War as an abolitionist movement. When the war came, hundreds of our men fought for racial equality. Many of them died for it.

    The notion that racism is systematic is exaggerated and it lacks understanding and nuance.

    I. And many. Disagree with you!

  29. by Donna on April 24, 2022 10:14 am
    "I think that the contention that it systematic is gross, dangerous hyperbole." - Hts

    It has gotten better, no doubt. But CRT gives an historical reference to it and shows how that history has affected Blacks to this day.

    It would be absurd to contend that there hasn't been not only systemic racism, but systemic discrimination towards LGBT people and women. In fact in some states, particularly Texas, discrimination against LGBT remains part of state law.

  30. by HatetheSwamp on April 25, 2022 3:47 am

    It is hard for me to believe, as litigious as the LGBTQ movement has been, that it is leaving discrimination in Texas unchallenged.

    I guess that you need to splain to me what you understand "systemic" to mean.

  31. by Donna on April 25, 2022 8:14 am
    Systemic would be something that's supported or legally backed by the government as opposed to individuals acting on their own, like Anti-LGBT curriculum laws, sometimes referred to as no promo homo laws, which are laws approved by various U.S. states that prohibit or limit the mention or discussion of homosexuality and transgender identity in public schools. In theory, these laws mainly apply to sex ed courses, but they can also be applied to other parts of the school curriculum as well as to extracurricular activities and organizations such as gay–straight alliances.

    These explicit anti-LGBT curriculum laws have been largely eliminated in the United States and are only found in five US states as of 2022: Louisiana, Mississippi, Oklahoma, Texas, and Florida.

    Things used to be worse, though. Activists have been fairly successful getting rid of antediluvian laws over the years.

  32. by Donna on April 25, 2022 8:27 am
    Some antediluvianites persist, though. Speaking of Big Brother:

    Florida Gov. Desantis Signs 'Stop Woke Act' Limiting Race-Based Discussions Into Law

    Florida Gov. Ron Desantis officially signed H.B. 7, or the “Stop Woke Act,” a bill aimed at limiting how schools, colleges, and businesses discuss issues of race into law, according to the Associated Press.

    The law blocks any instruction that could hint at one race “feeling guilt” for past actions or that their race necessarily determines a person’s status as privileged or oppressed. This will also stop businesses from using diversity practices or training that could make employees feel guilty for similar reasons. H.B. 7 is set to go into effect on July 1st.

    The legislation was immediately challenged in a federal lawsuit by two Florida teachers, filed on Friday, arguing that the law violates First Amendment and 14th Amendment rights and seeks an injunction to stop it.

    From CNN:

    “This legislation prohibits Florida’s K-12 schoolteachers, college and university professors, and employers from espousing, endorsing, or advancing a wide range of viewpoints on important issues about race in America, such as institutional racism and implicit bias,” in a news release shared with CNN on Friday.

    H.B. 7 says schools can teach about slavery and the history of racial segregation and discrimination in an “age-appropriate manner.” Still, the instruction cannot “indoctrinate or persuade students to a particular point of view.” Some Florida reps have pointed out that Critical Race Theory is not taught in public schools, and while the law doesn’t explicitly state CRT, it’s aimed to distort Black history.

    From Associated Press:

    “It’s just illustrating Gov. DeSantis’ pattern of Black attack policies led by Republican legislators. He has taken a culture war to a classic Republican battleground, which is the public schools. It’s going to hurt our children’s futures,”’ said Democratic Rep. Angie Nixon, who is Black. “CRT is not taught in K-12 education here in our public schools.”

    Gov. Desantis also signed bills approving new congressional maps that dilute African-American voting power in Florida, and do away with Disney’s special status to operate as an independent government around its Orlando-area theme parks.

  33. by HatetheSwamp on April 25, 2022 10:03 am


    We live in a country where wokesters pollute effin math texts with CRT.

    Nuff sed.

  34. by Donna on April 25, 2022 10:28 am
    I saw one valid example of liberal overreach in one of the math textbooks that was banned from the curriculum in FL, which I joined you in condemnation, here and on FB where one liberal tried to smack me down. I'd like to see what the other banned math books contain that was deemed inappropriate.

  35. by HatetheSwamp on April 25, 2022 10:35 am


    Having seen the examples of CRT-infected math books, what reason do you have to doubt that there was reason to reject the others?

    DeSantis may be more heavy handed than either of us might like but I've never known him to lie about the things he does.

  36. by Donna on April 25, 2022 10:51 am
    I don't - I'd just like a chance to see and judge for myself.

  37. by HatetheSwamp on April 25, 2022 11:14 am

    I'm sure, as my mom used to say, if you use some "elbow grease," you'll be able to get that information.

    But, common sense: DeSantis is being criticized for the, bahahahahahahahahahaha, book banning, but no one is disputing that the books contain the alleged content.

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