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We cannot forget our Afghan heroes and our promise to help them

By HatetheSwamp
April 21, 2022 12:49 pm
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Great article by Dana Perino

When President Biden followed through on his promise to withdrawal all troops by August 31st, the decades-long war in Afghanistan was largely deemed ‘over.’ But it wasn’t over.

We made a promise to our Afghan allies — notably to the teachers and the interpreters — that if they stood by us, we’d stand by them. The day the Taliban took over, each and every one of our Afghan friends had a target placed on their back. They were vulnerable and we knew it. We had a duty and an obligation to get them out...


A lengthy, important article, illustrating why many still think of our current President as "that feckless dementia-ridden piece of crap," and why so many of us disapprove of the job he's doing.


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Comments on "We cannot forget our Afghan heroes and our promise to help them":

  1. by Donna on April 21, 2022 1:16 pm
    I don't believe for a second that you give a flying fuck about our veterans. You're just using our veterans as a weapon to beat Biden with.


  2. by Curt_Anderson on April 21, 2022 1:25 pm
    Who made the promise? Not Biden. People who made the promise did not make sure they were in a position to fulfill their promise.

    Trump announced the withdrawal about a year and a half before it happened. Biden and the State Department sent out half a dozen alerts that we were leaving. Sorry, heroes, it doesn't pay to procrastinate.


  3. by HatetheSwamp on April 21, 2022 1:32 pm

    I don't know, nor do I want to know the tone of your testicles, but I know your nose is brown!


  4. by Curt_Anderson on April 21, 2022 1:44 pm
    As a presidential candidate, Biden promised to “end the forever wars in Afghanistan and the Middle East”.

    Leaving Afghanistan was Biden fulfilling a promise.


  5. by HatetheSwamp on April 21, 2022 2:21 pm

    My understanding is that 80% of Americans approve of what he did. Less than 30% support how "that feckless dementia-ridden piece of crap" did it.


  6. by Curt_Anderson on April 21, 2022 3:21 pm
    Biden is responsible for the decision of our withdrawal. Biden wasn't piloting the planes, operating the drones or guarding the Kabul airport. The "heroes" screwed up the how it was done. That happens in war.



  7. by Donna on April 21, 2022 4:34 pm
    As much as I'd like to save the world, it isn't realistic.

    Afghanistan War Zone death toll: 241,000. 71,000 were civilians.





    watson.brown.edu


  8. by Donna on April 21, 2022 5:04 pm
    I remember my oldest brother telling me around 1967 that if I anyone ever tells me that we shouldn't be in Vietnam, tell them that we had an agreement with the South Vietnamese government to defend them militarily.

    So we did that. 57,000 Americans, mostly young men, dead; seriously injured: well into 6-digits. I forget how many Vietnamese people were killed. I think it was in the millions, many from our weapons. We carpet bombed densely populated areas in the Mekong Delta region. Obscene number of deformed fetuses from our use of Agent Orange. Agent Orange also gave high numbers of
    our young men cancer.

    And in the end, we lost the war.



  9. by HatetheSwamp on April 22, 2022 4:49 am
    BTW, I don't believe for a second that you give a flying fuck about our veterans. You're just using our veterans as a weapon to beat Biden with.

    You. Donna?, dropped an F bomb?

    Two things.

    1. I know po hijacks your account sometimes.
    2. What I do care about is the thousands of Afghani interpreters and teachers whom we promised to protect and whom "that feckless dementia-ridden piece of crap" turned his back on...and the 13 US military personnel who died needlessly due to the Doddering Old Fart's dishonorable incompetence.


  10. by Donna on April 22, 2022 8:53 am
    I can guarantee that more civilians and of our military personnel would be dead now if Trump and Biden hadn't extracted us from that shit.


  11. by HatetheSwamp on April 22, 2022 9:32 am

    Non sequitur.

    Honor is honor. Competence is competence..

    I can't understand how you can defend the manner in which...and it's from this catastrophe these words, came from a brokenhearted mother..."that feckless dementia-ridden piece of crap" conducted the withdrawal.

    You should be ashamed!


  12. by Donna on April 22, 2022 9:33 am
    I'm not buying your feigned disgust.


  13. by HatetheSwamp on April 22, 2022 9:43 am

    po,

    pb admits that, from time to time, he types with his tongue and his cheek.

    But, trust me. I've never been more sincere, nor irate. You're grossly misreading me...

    ...and America.

    Check 538 for approval polls for "that feckless dementia-ridden piece of crap."
    Before "that feckless dementia-ridden piece of crap" dishonored America through this debacle, "that feckless dementia-ridden piece of crap" was highly approved of. Within days, Americans dumped him like a steaming pile of poop, and he's never recovered.

    That you defend "that feckless dementia-ridden piece of crap," stuns.


  14. by Curt_Anderson on April 22, 2022 9:48 am
    I mentioned the other day that at a Seder dinner I was at that two of the guests were from Afghanistan. It was a father and daughter and both of lived in the United States for at least some decades. However their brother and son is still in Afghanistan.

    I asked the father if he had concerns about his son. The father told me that his son could have come to America but didn't want to as he has a good career as an architect there. The father added that his son knows how to "play the game" and keep out of trouble with the Taliban.

    I'm pretty sure all those people in Afghanistan who didn't come to America either didn't want to come or were ambivalent about it. Despite all the feigned concern and handwringing by HTS and his ilk, Afghanis who wanted to come to America had plenty of opportunity if they were really motivated to leave Afghanistan.


  15. by HatetheSwamp on April 22, 2022 10:01 am

    Curt,

    You're not splaining how closely the son worked with the Americans as a translator or teacher.

    I'm pretty sure all those people in Afghanistan who didn't come to America either didn't want to come or were ambivalent about it.

    That is what you want to believe but it's not what's reported from Afghanistan.


  16. by Donna on April 22, 2022 10:13 am
    I don't trust you, Hts. And I think it's shameful -- not that you actually are capable of feeling shame -- that you would use the deaths of people you don't give a crap about as a sort of weapon to beat Joe Biden with. Your feigned outrage would be more credible if I had ever seen you blame a military action on any other president. How many innocent people and soldiers did the Bush administration kill in the Iraq War they lied their way into, hmm? How outrageous was that to you?


  17. by Curt_Anderson on April 22, 2022 10:15 am
    Trump announced in February of 2020 that the US was leaving Afghanistan. He president for another 11 months. Biden was president for eight months before our promised departure. If you are going to complain that not every Afghani was able to leave then you should asign blame proportionately.

    Or are you too afraid to make a substantial criticism of your Dear Orange Leader?


  18. by Donna on April 22, 2022 10:18 am
    Hts despises Trump, Curt. He thinks he's despicable.

    LOL!


  19. by Curt_Anderson on April 22, 2022 10:26 am
    There were 2,461 US combat deaths in Afghanistan. About 60 deaths happened under Trump's watch. They all died for no good reason. HtS only cares about the last 13.


  20. by HatetheSwamp on April 22, 2022 10:27 am

    Donna,

    I can guarantee you that if old forum posts were still around, you would not find one in which I praised Bush for Iraq.

    But, do you not understand? We told those interpreters and teachers that we would protect them if/when we leave.

    And, "that feckless dementia-ridden piece of crap" abandoned our friends and allies.

    The war stuff I get. As you know, I think that the Former Truck Driver has not supported Ukraine as strongly as I would like. Some people disagree with the President’s management of every war.

    But, the Afghanistan withdrawal was a moment when "that feckless dementia-ridden piece of crap" dishonored America in a way that no President has, to my knowledge. Can't you see the difference?

    Joe's polling reflects that millions of Americans are shamed by Joe in exactly the way I am.


  21. by Donna on April 22, 2022 10:28 am
    And you know what? I never blamed Trump for those deaths. Because I'm not a duplicitous dick.


    "During the entire Trump presidency, from January 2017 until January 2021, a total of 63 U.S. military service members lost their lives in the war in Afghanistan, reports the Defense Casualty Analysis System.

    A total of 2,400 U.S. soldiers have died in Afghanistan in the 20 years that the war has been going on. The war started on October 7, 2001, soon after the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. George W. Bush was the U.S. President at the time."

    marketrealist.com


  22. by Donna on April 22, 2022 10:31 am
    "I can guarantee you that if old forum posts were still around, you would not find one in which I praised Bush for Iraq."

    And I bet I would also never find one where you held Bush responsible for those deaths and the millions of Iraqis that were displaced from their homes and their country.

    Because you're a shameless partisan ass.


  23. by HatetheSwamp on April 22, 2022 10:34 am

    Curt,

    Trump announced in February of 2020 that the US was leaving Afghanistan. He president for another 11 months...

    As I said at the time, I disagree with Trump's decision to leave Afghanistan. I think we should have maintained a presence in Afghanistan as we do in South Korea. I've always said that and I've always acknowledged that mine is a minority opinion.

    It's the dishonor of "that feckless dementia-ridden piece of crap" in abandoning our friends that sets "that feckless dementia-ridden piece of crap" apart.


  24. by HatetheSwamp on April 22, 2022 10:37 am

    And you know what? I never blamed Trump for those deaths. Because I'm not a duplicitous dick.

    That you don't understand that Joe violated our promise to our flesh and blood friends amazes me.

    I'm learning things about you that I would never have imagined to be true.


  25. by Donna on April 22, 2022 10:40 am
    You don't know me. I don't take too kindly to bullshitters.


  26. by HatetheSwamp on April 22, 2022 11:08 am

    Apparently, B$-ing is in the eye of the beholder.

    Have you noticed that, Joe's management of the Ukraine War hasn't impacted his polling? He's up one day, down the next...

    ...but that when he dishonored America, his polls tanked about 10 points in a few days? And, have never rebounded?

    How do you splain that!


  27. by Curt_Anderson on April 22, 2022 11:20 am
    Because half of Americans have a below average IQ.

    The media is also culpable for skewing the facts, inasmuch as they beat the drum on the "abandoned Afghanis" story. The reporters there and the media that employs probably feel guilty for making promises to translators, drivers, etc. that they were in no position to fulfill.

    That we got out of a stupid, forever war with only 13 US service deaths should be considered a success.

    Incidentally, imagine if the army and civilians in Afghanistan had a fraction of the willingness to resist and fight as the Ukrainians do. That they don't illustrates what a mistake it was to be there in the first place.

    Also, HtS, staying there as we are in South Korea was not an option. Biden's choice was to leave or resume the war.


  28. by Donna on April 22, 2022 11:37 am
    But the man on Fox News said nuh-uh, Curt!


  29. by HatetheSwamp on April 22, 2022 11:42 am

    Curt,

    We went all through the "keep a small presence in Afghanistan" argument at the time. I've always acknowledged that mine is the opinion of a small minority.

    Here's the compelling fact about the way "that feckless dementia-ridden..." sack of $hit handled the withdrawal from Afghanistan.

    Almost 80% of Americans agreed that we should withdraw. Joe did that...and, in the process of doing what nearly every American agreed with, Joe approval tanked. It appears that it tanked permanently.

    Not with isle, Donna and you, of course.


  30. by Donna on April 22, 2022 11:46 am
    Most Americans -- I'd guess three-quarters -- seem to only have a superficial understanding of issues, which is why they're so easy for the media to manipulate.



  31. by HatetheSwamp on April 22, 2022 11:52 am

    Right

    You've been explaining to me for waaaaaaaaaay more than a decade that you, and the people who agree with you, are a clear cut above the rest of us.

    Got it.


  32. by Donna on April 22, 2022 11:58 am
    No, actually I respect the opinion of people I disagree with if it's evident that they've put work into understanding the issue.


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