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Ever had trouble reasoning with FOX News watching, Trump voting relatives? Ukrainians have it worse.

By Curt_Anderson
March 6, 2022 6:59 pm
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Ukrainians Find That Relatives in Russia Don't Believe It's a War
Many Ukrainians are encountering a confounding and frustrating backlash from family members in Russia who have bought into the official Kremlin messaging.

(NY Times)When Valentyna V. Kremyr wrote to her brother and sister in Russia to tell them that her son had spent days in a bomb shelter in the Kyiv suburb of Bucha because of the intensive fighting there, she was also met with disbelief.

"They believe that everything is calm in Kyiv, that no one is shelling Kyiv," Ms. Kremyr said in a phone interview. She said her siblings think the Russians are striking military infrastructure "with precision, and that's it."

She said her sister Lyubov, who lives in Perm, wished her a happy birthday on Feb. 25, the second day of the invasion. When Ms. Kremyr wrote back about the situation on the ground, her sister's answer via direct message was simple: "No one is bombing Kyiv, and you should actually be afraid of the Nazis, whom your father fought against. Your children will be alive and healthy. We love the Ukrainian people, but you need to think hard about who you elected as president."

Ms. Kremyr said she sent photos from trusted media sites of mangled tanks and a destroyed building in Bucha to her brother, in Krasnoyarsk, but was met with a jarring response. "He said that this site is fake news," she said, and that essentially the Ukrainian Army was doing the damage being blamed on Russians.

"It is impossible to convince them of what they have done," Ms. Kremyr said, referring to Russian forces.


The New York Times article gives more examples of Ukrainians who are met with disbelief from Russian relatives.

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Comments:

  1. by HatetheSwamp on March 7, 2022 3:52 am

    Talk about the delusional Russians?

    There are actually people in the US who think that the liar who claims he led the Dems to a glorious victory in the 014 Congressional elections...

    ...is leading an intelligent and coherent response to the crisis in Ukraine.

    Bahahahahahahahahahaha!


  2. by islander on March 7, 2022 8:03 am
    Curt,

    I still have a few Fox News watching Trump voting relatives who, no matter how much evidence and undeniable facts are presented to them, still believe the election was stolen, the press is our enemy, and Trump is a national hero who sacrificed a wonderful life in order to serve our country. Trump truly is, in their minds, now suffering martyrdom for his country.

    On the good side, they have been much quieter and do their best to avoid talking about Trump or politics, including even (for obvious reasons) the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

    The other Trump voting relatives are doing their best to backtrack and like Hate, say they never "really" cared for Trump as a person even though they were among his most vocal defenders. Some do still try to claim Trump was the best candidate we had and he put the country back on the right track to becoming "great again".

 Russia’s invasion of Ukraine has really befuddled them since Putin is such a hero of Trump. Now they are stuck living in a state of perpetual cognitive dissonance. They are not happy campers, nor are they narcissists incapable of experiencing shame...which of course, accounts for their silence.




  3. by HatetheSwamp on March 7, 2022 8:19 am

    I still have a few Fox News watching Trump voting relatives who, no matter how much evidence and undeniable facts are presented to them, still believe the election was stolen,...

    isle,

    I'm watching Fox at this very moment. I watch a few hours pret'near every day.

    Fox doesn't report that the election was stolen. I know. Fox wouldn't touch that issue with a ten foot pole.

    What I also know, now, based on your post showing Heather's chat with the Former 18 Wheeler Driver, is that you believe the lie that Joe Biden led the Dems to a glorious election Pole., in 014, retaking Congress by preaching the glories of OCare.

    If your friends and relatives are among the TENS OF MILLIONS in America convinced that the smoke filled room handlers of "that feckless dementia-ridden piece of crap" diddled the election, it's because they're open minded enough to consider the evidence without the help of Fox effin news.

    For the moment, I think you best better rethink your beliefs about the 014 election and let your friends and relatives deal with their beliefs about 020.
    en.m.wikipedia.org


  4. by islander on March 7, 2022 8:54 am

    Hate wrote: “What I also know, now, based on your post showing Heather's chat with the Former 18 Wheeler Driver, is that you believe the lie that Joe Biden led the Dems to a glorious election Pole., in 014, retaking Congress by preaching the glories of OCare.”



    Shows how little you "know".

    Was it a case of poor memory, were you lying, or did you just get a little mixed up when you said Biden claimed to lead the Dems in retaking Congress in o14?

    Although out of the 41 State Representative seats up for grabs in the State of Delaware 014 election, the Dems of did win 25 seats to 16 for the Republicans, the Dems did not retake Congress, nor did Biden say they did.


  5. by HatetheSwamp on March 7, 2022 9:34 am

    I assume that you actually glanced at the link I provided.

    The GOP absolutely kicked Dem butt in 014.

    For perspective:

    In 016, Hillary won the popular vote by 2.1%. In 014, the GOPs bested the Dems by 5.7%, a swing of nearly 8%.

    Joe described an election in which, thanks to his good efforts, the populace embraced OCare and the Dems picked up "30 some seats." He did claim, "We won the House of Representatives." In exactly those words. That is a direct quote. Jump to about minute 28 and follow the demented drivel.

    And, you bought it! No. You BUY it.


  6. by Curt_Anderson on March 7, 2022 11:37 am
    HtS,
    While I usually disagree with your political views, I at least know the source of your misconceptions.

    I have no idea what Biden said about 2014 election. I certainly never heard anybody in the last few years comment on the 2014 election.

    Can you quote and/or link to Biden referring to a "glorious victory" in that election? Or is this your senility talking?


  7. by HatetheSwamp on March 7, 2022 12:36 pm

    Huh!!!!!!!?

    Did you watch isle's Heather video that you praised to high heaven, or were you just telling your own Porky Pie about watching it?


  8. by islander on March 7, 2022 12:54 pm
    Curt,

    Hate no longer seems to be able to remember what he himself said from one post to the next.

    Hate claimed, ““What I also know, now, based on your post showing Heather's chat with the Former 18 Wheeler Driver, is that you believe the lie that Joe Biden led the Dems to a glorious election Pole., in 014, retaking Congress by preaching the glories of OCare.”, I then asked him if it it was a case of poor memory, if he was lying, or if he just get a little mixed up when you said Biden claimed to lead the Dems in retaking Congress in o14?

    I explained to Hate that the 014 election Joe was talking about, was for the Delaware State Representatives...Not Congress...Hate was unable to understand the difference.

 Even after explaining it to him, Hate still doesn’t seem to understand that when Biden said he went out to the 41 “districts” in his his state to champion the cause of Obama Care, the Dems did win 25 of the 41 seats. Biden was not talking about the US Congressional election in which Delaware only elects one Representative. If hate really understood the difference he could have admitted to simply being a little mixed up, we all do it sometimes (including Presidents. 

Now in just a matter of a few hours, Hate seems to have forgotten what he said earlier and has changed his claim. I don’t think he ever really understood what Biden was talking about, or else Hate doesn’t understand the difference between “Congress”, US Representatives, or “State Representatives”... Hate seems genuinely quite confused.


  9. by Donna on March 7, 2022 1:05 pm
    That's because Hate only reads headlines. He doesn't seriously research anything.


  10. by Donna on March 7, 2022 1:39 pm
    Btw, I often encounter the same problem on the loony left too. SS alumnus "Cascade" has been busy on Facebook posting Putin's talking points. He's swallowed whole the entire "Nazis are taking over Ukraine" narrative.


  11. by Curt_Anderson on March 7, 2022 1:50 pm
    Cascade has gone full-Kremlin?! Sad.


  12. by Donna on March 7, 2022 2:02 pm
    Hard to tell. He's also posted several times "F--k Putin". Typical Gavin (Cascade), trying to have it both ways.


  13. by islander on March 7, 2022 2:29 pm

    While we certainly have some loony's on the left, the thing is, the difference between Trump and Biden is, Trump courts the loonies on the right, and there is no way anyone can honestly say Biden courts the loonies on the left !!!




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