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The Ukraine is not Afghainistan

By Curt_Anderson
February 26, 2022 3:47 pm
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Last summer, the Taliban rapidly advanced to Kabul as the US departed after 20 years of a failed and futile attempt to turn Afghanistan into a semblance of self-sustaining nation with a democratic government. Afghanistan's soldiers offered no resistance before surrendering. President Ashraf Ghani and the other inept leaders fled before the Taliban were within sight.

In contrast to that, Ukrainian civilians and their soldiers are courageously taking on the much more powerful Russian military and slowing them in their tracks. Ukraine's president is bravely rallying and leading his people. Ukrainians like their western-style way of life and their government and don't like Putin and the Russians.

Ukrainian forces slow Russian advance as the U.S. and its allies take action on Russian banks.

(NY Times)Through intense fighting in the streets of Kyiv and other cities, Ukraine's defense forces and civilian volunteers resisted Russia’s invasion for a third day, battling for control of the capital as international pressure mounted on Moscow and support for Kyiv’s besieged government grew.

Here are the latest developments:

Russian forces bombarded Ukraine’s capital, Kyiv, again on Saturday night, after a day of pitched fights around the city. Most of the more than 150,000 Russian troops who had massed around Ukraine are now fighting in the country, U.S. officials said.

The Biden administration and key European allies announced on Saturday that they would remove certain Russian banks from the SWIFT financial messaging system, essentially barring them from international transactions.

President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine tried to rally international support and said in a video that his country’s fighters had “withstood and successfully repelled enemy attacks.”


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  1. by HatetheSwamp on February 26, 2022 4:09 pm

    There are many similarities between the two.

    Among those that portend future disasters for the US and the world are that the Roaring Bear from Delaware could not anticipate what ultimately happened and led a pathetically impotent response.


  2. by Curt_Anderson on February 26, 2022 4:55 pm


    The only change that America's long overdue departure from Afghanistan has caused in your life is that it's one other thing you can illogically whine about. Don't give me your crocodile tears about the 13 American service people killed on the final day. Thousands of Americans died in the preceding years for no discernable reason. Biden put a stop to that.

    The Afghanis didn't raise a ruckus when the Taliban overran them. I don't know why you are complaining. Biden and the State Department (and Trump's announcement of withdrawal in February of 2020) gave them plenty of notice to pack up and leave. I am not especially sympathetic with the procrastinators caught up in the chaos at the Kabul airport in the final minutes. Hanging from the wheel of an airliner? Really? That was your exit plan?


  3. by HatetheSwamp on February 26, 2022 5:13 pm

    That debacle gave me, and us all, the perfect appellation for Joe, "that feckless dementia-ridden piece of crap."

    It gave the Taliban...and any of our enemies they want to share with...sell to, what, $billions in American weaponry and technology.

    It abandoned our own effin citizens and thousands of Afghanis who aided us and whom we promised safety and protection...many of whom have been tortured and murdered...Watch 30 seconds of Hannity sometime. At the beginning of every show, he summarizes the lingering fate of those "that feckless dementia-ridden piece of crap" betrayed.

    It allowed thousands to be transported out of Afghanistan absolutely unvetted.

    Then there are those thirteen who are dead only because of Joe's incompetence. It wouldn't matter if it were only 1. Joe caused it.

    On our side, we can be honest about Trump's many failings. That you can even dream of excusing Joe for Afghanistan is stunning.


  4. by Donna on February 26, 2022 6:30 pm
    We had a discussion here about the US having disabled all of that equipment before they left.

    Actually it's standard practice to leave behind military equipment. We always have better equipment for the next war.

    IMO the 2,401 US military deaths and over 20,000 injured in the war in Afghanistan (Has Sean ever mentioned them?) were the tragic result of the boneheaded decision by George Bush to send in our military to oust the Taliban and occupy a puppet government that was doomed to failure from the gitgo.



  5. by HatetheSwamp on February 26, 2022 6:44 pm

    "The choppers were just part of the Taliban's haul. The group's blindingly fast sweep through most of Afghanistan netted it billions of dollars' worth of U.S. military equipment and weaponry given to the Afghan military, which collapsed in the 11 days before the Taliban seized Kabul on Aug. 15.

    Afghan soldiers who didn't surrender shed their uniforms and gear and turned tail, following many of their military and political leaders.

    For their effort, Taliban fighters reaped almost 2,000 Humvees and trucks; more than 50 armored fighting vehicles, including Mine-Resistant Ambush Protection vehicles, or MRAPs; scores of artillery and mortar pieces; more than a dozen aging but working helicopters and attack aircraft; a dozen tanks; seven Boeing-manufactured drones; and millions upon millions of bullets, according to a list compiled by the Oryx Blog, which tracks weapons used in conflicts.

    ... a bitter irony of the chaotic Western withdrawal from Afghanistan is that the very group the United States ousted 20 years ago is not only back in power but better-equipped militarily than ever before to repel adversaries and enforce its brand of repressive rule."

    C'mon Donna, gimme a break. We could see on our TVs Taliban soldiers driving our trucks and firing our rifles in the air as they entered Kabul.

    Joe's disaster in Afghanistan can only be defended with lies.

    arkansasonline.com


  6. by islander on February 27, 2022 4:50 am

    Some people think we should have taken the Afghan army's weapons away from them before we left.


  7. by HatetheSwamp on February 27, 2022 6:09 am

    Really? Sounds like one of the Roaring Bear's ideas, eh?


  8. by islander on February 27, 2022 6:59 am

    Nope !!

    It was this guy.

    "C'mon Donna, gimme a break. We could see on our TVs Taliban soldiers driving our trucks and firing our rifles in the air as they entered Kabul"


  9. by georges on February 27, 2022 6:56 pm
    Ukraine isn't Afghanistan, but that has more to do with Russia than Ukraine. Russia's goals aren't the same as the Taliban's goals.

    Russia could very likely blitz Ukraine in under a week if they just wanted to conquer the place. They are holding back on using a lot of military capabilities that we know they have.

    My guess is Russia plans to split off Novorussia into a seperate country, then force Ukraine into negotiations where Russia will push them to become neutral and demilitarised.




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