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What is our involvement with Ukraine all about?
By islander
January 25, 2022 5:54 am
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Once again, Heather Cox Richardson gives us a clear picture of not only how our history relates to current events but what is taking place today.

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  1. heathercoxrichardson.substack.com

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  1. by HatetheSwamp on January 25, 2022 6:40 am

    isle,

    It says a lot that Heather's drivel makes sense to you. And, sincerely, I thank you for posting her blogs from time to time. I'd never read her were it not for you.

    But, a quick reality check, Heather notwithstanding.

    The Dems are in the White House. They run both Houses of Congress.

    The GOP has nuthin to do with this...at least for another year. Whatever disaster befalls from Ukraine will be in the hands of Democrats.

  2. by islander on January 25, 2022 7:33 am

    Be specific. Why do you think Richardson's post is drivel? Remember, be specific.

  3. by HatetheSwamp on January 25, 2022 7:35 am

    For instance. This suggestion that the GOP's in play.

    They ain't.

    She's deranged by hate.

  4. by islander on January 25, 2022 7:49 am

    "For instance. This suggestion that the GOP's in play."

    That's too vague. You're going to have to be more specific. Please copy and past the part that you think is false.

  5. by HatetheSwamp on January 25, 2022 9:28 am

    isle,

    As an example:

    The question at home is whether today’s Republicans will stand with Ukraine, NATO, and the rule of law that says sovereign countries have the right to determine their own alliances. If they support another Russian invasion of Ukraine, they will weaken NATO and the stands the U.S. and the European Union have taken to clean up global finances to stop oligarchs from amassing the power that comes from illicit money.

    As I said, the GOPs have nuthin to do with our current actions in Ukraine.

    Joe has refused to govern in a bipartisan manner. And, to the degree that Congress would be consulted, Dems run the whole shebang.

    Every effin GOP in DC could vehemently support a Russian invasion and it won't mean squat!

  6. by Curt_Anderson on January 25, 2022 10:07 am
    HtS,
    That was some Grade A drivel you posted there!

    The chief spokesperson on the Republican propaganda network, Tucker Carlson, is encouraging his viewers to side with Putin's Russia. At best Carlson is making a false equivalency between the Ukraine and Russia.

    The razor slim majority the Democrats have in Congress is inconsequential and irrelevant.

    Islander,
    I am no fan of world wars, (and I don't care who knows it). This reminds me of Neville Chamberlain's moment when he should have told Hitler no. NATO and decent people of good will must oppose authoritarian regimes and support democracy. And certainly oppose aggressive actions against democracies.

  7. by HatetheSwamp on January 25, 2022 10:44 am

    The chief spokesperson on the Republican propaganda network, Tucker Carlson, is encouraging his viewers to side with Putin's Russia. At best Carlson is making a false equivalency between the Ukraine and Russia.

    Right. Bahahahahahahahahahaha, ahhhhhhhhhhh!

    I don't watch Tucker and I won't take your word for this because I'm confident that you don't watch either.

    I'll believe it when you provide documentation.


    Ast he disaster of Afghanistan makes plain, these days GOPs have no say in our foreign policy decisions.

    I enjoy isle linking to Heather's blogs. She's passionate and articulate...

    ...but she's a hater.

    She's just plain wrong here. It doesn't matter at all, at the moment, what GOPs think or do about Ukraine. The only American who matters, at the moment, is "that feckless dementia-ridden piece of crap."

  8. by Curt_Anderson on January 25, 2022 10:53 am
    HtS,
    Here is the documentation you requested, in the form of video evidence, that Carlson encourages his viewers to side with Russia.
     View Video

  9. by islander on January 25, 2022 11:46 am

    Hate,

    You failed to show that anything Heather said was false.

 What she said is absolutely true and the question she asked, “will the Republicans stand with Ukraine or with Russia?”, is a valid and important question.

    As Curt said, the razor slim majority the Democrats have in Congress is inconsequential and irrelevant.

    As long as the Republicans in Congress take a position and vote, they will be “involved” in how our country responds to Russia’s threat to Ukraine.


  10. by islander on January 25, 2022 12:14 pm

    Curt,

    "NATO and decent people of good will must oppose authoritarian regimes and support democracy. And certainly oppose aggressive actions against democracies."

    Much to my dismay, what I'm beginning to realize, and I'm finally having to accept, is that despite having always paid homage to our ideals of freedom and democracy, in our country there are far more people than I would have believed who are decidedly of an authoritarian mindset and are now coming out of the closet and proclaiming "democracy is hogwash" and nothing more than mob rule.

  11. by HatetheSwamp on January 25, 2022 1:13 pm

    No, isle.

    In exactly the way that GOPs were a nonfactor in the fate of BBB, they are impotent non.

    Next Congress? That's a different question.

    What I see here is Heather reading the writing on the wall, knowing that the same buffoon who created a historic disaster out of our withdrawal from Afghanistan is about to work his magic in Ukraine.

    Rest assured, Joe and the Dems will be blamed for Ukraine. And, rightly so.

  12. by islander on January 25, 2022 2:19 pm

    Hate,

    You seem to have a distorted understanding of what being involved means in the way our government works. It doesn’t mean that if you don’t get your way or you don’t get enough votes you weren’t involved in the process and the outcome. Both parties were involved in determining the outcome of the BBB and both parties were involved in the voting rights bill that was blocked by the senate. Both parties voted on these bills. They were involved.



    Here’s an example from Heather’s post of Republicans and Democrats being involved in what is taking place in the Ukraine.
    ”Relations Committee Bob Menendez (D-NJ), along with 38 colleagues, has introduced legislation to impose sanctions on the Russian banking sector, senior military and government officials, and Russia’s extractive industries, as well as cut Russia out of the SWIFT global transaction system, if Putin escalates hostilities. It authorizes another $500 million in assistance to Ukraine if Russia reinvades, and it seeks to counter disinformation coming from the Kremlin. Republican lawmakers are in talks with their Democratic counterparts over the bill.”

    

So once again, Hate, give me a specific example of something Heather said that was false, what you call “drivel”. 


  13. by HatetheSwamp on January 25, 2022 2:28 pm

    isle,

    You are, truly, The UNDERSTAND Man.

    I don't understand. I never do...anything. You, do.

    I followed the Afghanistan thing. GOPs were kicking and screaming, yelling, moaning and groaning and "that feckless dementia-ridden piece of crap" did what he
    wanted to do.

    GOPs are impotent. Powerless.

    Until the Flatulent Fool leads his party into electoral disaster in the fall.

  14. by islander on January 25, 2022 4:39 pm

    Hate wrote:

    ”You are, truly, The UNDERSTAND Man.

    I don't understand. I never do...anything. You, do.”    



    While I think there’s probably a great deal of truth to what you said, I think you are capable of understanding more than you do now if you can only rid yourself of your overwhelming hatred and begin to broaden your choice of reading material. If you can do that I believe your responses might even become a little less puerile.

    Here is another site that can help you in this regard.


    

    theconversation.com

  15. by HatetheSwamp on January 26, 2022 6:12 am

    I didn't see your article suggesting that, in 022, it's important that the GOPs get on board.

    Heather is a hater. She's deranged. She can only see a world in which the GOP is the root of all evil.

    It's impossible, however, to make that case with Ukraine here and now.

  16. by islander on January 26, 2022 12:50 pm

    Hate wrote,

    “I didn't see your article suggesting that, in 022, it's important that the GOPs get on board."

    I don’t know where you got that from, your thoughts seem fractured and and incomplete. Are you now implying that you have never even read the article by Heather Cox Richardson? The one we have been discussing here? If not, then what article of mine are you referring to and/or what are you are even talking about?


    You also say, "Heather is a hater. She's deranged. She can only see a world in which the GOP is the root of all evil.
"

    Like I said, if you can only rid yourself of your overwhelming hatred and begin to broaden your choice of reading material I believe your responses might even become a little less puerile.

    PS In case you don't know what puerile means: From Merriam Webster >>>

    puerile can describe the acts or utterances of an actual child, but it more often refers (usually with marked disapproval) to occurrences of childishness where adult maturity would be expected or preferred.

  17. by Indy! on January 26, 2022 1:56 pm
    You knew this was coming the day Biden (kinda, sorta) pulled us out of Afghanistan. We need forever wars and they were shutting one done - we need something to replace it. Voila! Start a war with Russia. I read an article yesterday that said the situation as it stands is exactly as it was in 2014 - virtually nothing has changed except the USA needs wars because Reagan's supply side economics we've been living with for 40+ years now killed all our manufacturing.

  18. by islander on January 26, 2022 2:47 pm

    Indy,

    I guess we just have to wait and see if economic sanctions can work. I don't really think Russia wants to get into an actual armed conflict with us any more than we (at least most of us) want to. But, like you say, it would be profitable for "business". Lots of money could be made.


  19. by Curt_Anderson on January 26, 2022 2:53 pm
    2014 wasn't so good for Ukraine. Russia invaded Ukraine, seizing control of the Crimean Peninsula in 2014. Should we take Neville Chamberlain's approach with Hitler and Czechoslovakia? That didn't work out so well for the world.

  20. by HatetheSwamp on January 26, 2022 3:31 pm

    I don't think that the Flatulent Fool is a latter day Winston Churchill. He's definitely more Nevillesque.

  21. by Curt_Anderson on January 26, 2022 6:00 pm
    HtS,
    This doesn't sound very Chamberlainesque:

    Biden rejected Russian demand to bar Ukraine from NATO and offers no concessions in response to Russia.

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