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Capitol attack: Cheney says Republicans must choose between Trump and truth

By Curt_Anderson
January 2, 2022 12:14 pm
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“Our party has to choose,” Rep. Liz Cheney (R-WY) told CBS’s Face the Nation. “We can either be loyal to Donald Trump or we can be loyal to the constitution, but we cannot be both.”

On Sunday, Cheney and Bennie Thompson of Mississippi, the committee chairman, again discussed the possibility of a criminal referral for Trump over his failure to attempt to stop the riot or for his obstruction of the investigation.

Speaking to ABC’s This Week, Cheney said there were “potential criminal statutes at issue here, but I think that there’s absolutely no question that it was a dereliction of duty. And I think one of the things the committee needs to look at is … a legislative purpose, is whether we need enhanced penalties for that kind of dereliction of duty.”


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  1. by HatetheSwamp on January 2, 2022 1:25 pm

    Undeniably, as a member of Nancy's tribunal, she knows more than the rest of us. What I know is that she has Stage 4 TDS.

    You can't even ask her to be objective. Trump's doing he can to have her primaried. To think that her opinions are objectively based in reality?, uh uh.


  2. by Curt_Anderson on January 2, 2022 6:02 pm
    You admit that Cheney knows more than the rest of us, yet you think you have a better grasp on the reality of the event. If anybody is deranged about Trump and not objective about him it's you.



  3. by HatetheSwamp on January 3, 2022 4:06 am

    I despise Trump. I think he's despicable.

    But, I know TDS when I see it. Cheney voted for impeachment before the January 6 events were investigated and now has joined a House Committee doing the investigating that should have been done before the impeachment vote.

    I absolutely don't trust her ability to weigh the evidence fairly and objectively.


  4. by HatetheSwamp on January 3, 2022 4:13 am

    I don't see the protest as being AGAINST the GOVERNMENT.

    I am not aware that any of the protestors wanted to overthrow the government and I'm certain that overthrowing the government of the United States was not the motivation for the whole group.

    In fact, it seems clear to me that these people wanted the government to continue. All they wanted was the election to be conducted with integrity.


  5. by islander on January 3, 2022 8:49 am

    ”I absolutely don't trust her ability to weigh the evidence fairly and objectively.” ---Hate speaking to pb again, “it’s amazing isn’t it pb, how much subjectivity is OUR truth” !!!


  6. by HatetheSwamp on January 3, 2022 9:07 am

    It is important to understand that we bring ourselves to every moment of our existence.

    I must say, though, that Liz is correct that the GOP has a choice to make regarding Trump. She's being narrow minded in suggesting that her factions take on the Constitution is correct and others' ain't.


  7. by islander on January 3, 2022 11:21 am

    ”It is important to understand that we bring ourselves to every moment of our existence.”---Hate



    Nah !! Not every moment of our existence. Sometimes it good if we just forget ourselves for a short time and enjoy the moment! Maybe even dance like no one is watching !!!


  8. by HatetheSwamp on January 3, 2022 11:31 am

    Dance like no one is watching? Like King David in the Old Testament? (You're Catholic. You ought to know that one.)


  9. by islander on January 3, 2022 11:53 am

    Yes. Just like King David. And if you’re a Catholic, you don’t have to wear an ephod, you can just dance in your apron if you’d like !



  10. by HatetheSwamp on January 3, 2022 12:15 pm

    Baha


  11. by islander on January 3, 2022 1:18 pm

    Curt,
    I certainly agree with Cheney, as Professor Richardson said;
“His refusal to act, Cheney continues to emphasize, was a “supreme dereliction of duty.” He was the only person who could have stopped the rioters—many of whom have since told courts that they were there because they believed he had called them to be—and he refused to act. Instead, he tweeted that Vice President Mike Pence was a coward, and made at least one phone call to a senator demanding a delay in counting the electoral votes. When he finally did release a video telling the rioters to leave, more than three hours after the attack started, Trump acknowledged that he did, in fact, know that he commanded them.”

    From “Empty Wheel”;

    “All five of the opinions (Dabney Friedrich, Amit Mehta, Tim Kelly, James Boasberg, plus Moss) upholding the application of obstruction to the vote certification have some discussion of what separates “corrupt” efforts to obstruct the vote count from political lobbying or civil disobedience. The discussion entails whether corruption requires an attempt to corrupt someone else, or whether it only involves corruptness in one’s own actions. A number of these opinions take an easy route, stating simply that the defendants in question are alleged to have broken the law in other ways in their efforts to obstruct the vote count, which gets past corruptness in one’s own actions, so a further analysis of whether legal actions might amount to obstruction is unnecessary as applied to those defendants. That’s an intransitive understanding of the corrupt purpose necessary to obstruction.

    All stop short of where James Pearce, the prosecutor guiding this adoption of 1512(c)(2), went in responding to a question from Trump appointee Carl Nichols; Pearce stated that one way an unnamed person just like Trump might act corruptly would be by asking someone else to violate their duty: If that person, “calls Vice President Pence to seek to have him adjudge the certification in a particular way … knowing it is not an available argument [and is] asking the vice president to do something the individual knows is wrongful … one of the definitions of ‘corruptly’ is trying to get someone to violate a legal duty.” That’s a transitive kind of corruption, an attempt to get someone else to violate their oath. Even some of the confessed obstructors listed here (most notably, the first Proud Boy to plead guilty) were knowingly doing that.”

    emptywheel.net


  12. by HatetheSwamp on January 3, 2022 5:13 pm

    The idea of a dereliction of duty is odd, I think. And, the idea that protesters would have their TVs tuned to CNN while they were in the Capitol is strange.


  13. by Curt_Anderson on January 3, 2022 6:00 pm
    HtS,
    Your last post was odd. It's strange that you didn't realize that after three hours of dereliction of duty Trump finally called upon his supporters to "go home". His "very special" mob dispersed within a couple of hours. I guess you don't know that most people carry smartphones, especially when they are storming the Capitol.
    kcrg.com


  14. by HatetheSwamp on January 4, 2022 6:28 am

    It's the dereliction of duty notion that I think is odd.

    It's a military concept.

    Article 92 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) is "Failure to Obey an Order or Regulation" (written or stated). ... The military also considers it a dereliction of duty to perform a job so poorly that innocent non-combatants or one's own troops get injured or killed.

    As I've been saying, I doubt that the people protesting inside the Capitol would have been following the coverage on CNN.



  15. by islander on January 4, 2022 7:22 am

    "It's a military concept." ---Hate

    Trump was the Commander in Chief of our entire military. The question that will have to settled is whether or not a person who committed a military crime can be held accountable for that crime after being removed from the military.


  16. by HatetheSwamp on January 4, 2022 7:43 am

    Bit of a stretch, isle.

    Article 92 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) is "Failure to Obey an Order or Regulation" (written or stated). ... The military also considers it a dereliction of duty to perform a job so poorly that innocent non-combatants or one's own troops get injured or killed.

    What order or regulation did he disobey?

    Still, I think this criticism is entirely impractical. I dunno about you, but the last time I conducted an insurrection my hands were full. I didn't have a second to check CNN for notes or messages from the leader of the coup.


  17. by islander on January 4, 2022 7:52 am

    As Commander in Chief and President, Trump would be duty bound to uphold his oath; "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

    Sounds to me like you
, personally, have no idea what the President could have done to try and stop the insurrection and that's fine but it's not really relevant.


  18. by HatetheSwamp on January 4, 2022 8:05 am

    isle,

    Trump has, in fact, been impeached over January 6. It didn't take.

    And, I don't think the President, or a past President, is subject to a military court martial.



  19. by islander on January 4, 2022 8:37 am

    ”Trump has, in fact, been impeached over January 6. It didn't take. ---Hate

    As Mitch McConnell made clear at the impeachment hearings, Trump should be held accountable for his criminal behavior by the courts and the justice system which is exactly what is happening.



  20. by HatetheSwamp on January 4, 2022 8:56 am

    You?, grooving on Mitch!!!!!?

    Strange effin bedfellows.




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