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ESCAPE 666 - BIBLE PROPHECY REVEALED

Posted by BeSetFree 
Anonymous User
Re: ESCAPE 666 - BIBLE PROPHECY REVEALED
December 11, 2007 06:21AM
Depends what State you live in.
Anonymous User
Re: ESCAPE 666 - BIBLE PROPHECY REVEALED
December 11, 2007 12:38PM
Is that "Georgie Boy" thing you trying to be a smart arse, FF? Okay, the reason it's not working is that you don't really sound smart. Work on your grammar a bit, make your sentences a bit more coherent, maybe find some ideas most people haven't abandoned by the time they've turned fifteen, and it might work a bit better. Maybe you could even try spelling your name right, Fascinated Foreigner!


facinatedforeigner Wrote:
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> Religion should have been obselete centuries ago,
> it's only madmen, cowards and the insecure that
> keep it alive and kicking

FASCINATED FOREIGNER'S OFFICIAL LIST OF MADMEN, COWARDS, AND THE INSECURE:
















You're not using your brain, are you FF? Quick! Cover it up!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/11/2007 12:39PM by Georgeous.
Re: ESCAPE 666 - BIBLE PROPHECY REVEALED
December 11, 2007 03:37PM
I have absolutely no problem with religion itself, as i said on the other thread (quoting Buddy Landry):

"my objections are to THEORIES of religion and explanations of the world in religious terms, not to religion. What religion attempts to capture cannot be captured, what theologians try to say cannot be said: what religion is really about transcends such stuff.

If you have the good fortune to meet genuinely holy people of several different religions you will have the best chance to glimpse what religion is. Pay no attention to people out to convert you to this or that, real saints will draw you to them without all the hoopla. You can see it in how they move, and in their eyes, and in their lives.”
Anonymous User
Re: ESCAPE 666 - BIBLE PROPHECY REVEALED
December 11, 2007 04:17PM
islander Wrote:
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> I have absolutely no problem with religion itself,
> as i said on the other thread (quoting Buddy
> Landry):
>
> "my objections are to THEORIES of religion and
> explanations of the world in religious terms, not
> to religion. What religion attempts to capture
> cannot be captured, what theologians try to say
> cannot be said: what religion is really about
> transcends such stuff.
>
> If you have the good fortune to meet genuinely
> holy people of several different religions you
> will have the best chance to glimpse what religion
> is. Pay no attention to people out to convert you
> to this or that, real saints will draw you to them
> without all the hoopla. You can see it in how they
> move, and in their eyes, and in their lives.”

I've heard you quote that before, and it strikes me as a strange thing to hear from you. Weren't you just trying to convince me of another Genesis interpretation in the other thread?

I can see Buddy's point, but I don't think he's right. A Saints attracting power isn't their theology, but they obviously do speak and teach theology. The Pope has written, "the Christian message [is] not only 'informative' but 'performative'," meaning that even though theology can't inform about God, it can perform in bringing a person towards God. It's very unlike other -ologies in that way.
Sam
Re: ESCAPE 666 - BIBLE PROPHECY REVEALED
December 11, 2007 06:29PM
Religion is not necessary for good people to do good things. Sainthood is bestowed upon people by people and it has much more to do with how they've chosen to dedicate their lives to other PEOPLE, rather than their dedication to gods. Spreading a message about how great it is to do the "right" thing without invoking hellish punishments for those who choose a different path would certainly draw a wider participatory audience than what we have now which is the religious message of: do it or else. Wouldn't "do it because..." work better? Without the competitive godstuff mucking it all up, we're all just people who, IMO, want to do the best we can for ourselves and for others. Religiosity stands in the way of human progress on all levels, especially spiritually.
Re: ESCAPE 666 - BIBLE PROPHECY REVEALED
December 12, 2007 01:18AM
I've heard you quote that before, and it strikes me as a strange thing to hear from you. Weren't you just trying to convince me of another Genesis interpretation in the other thread?”---Georgeous

What I was doing on the other thread was trying to compare interpretations yours/mine to see which more closely conformed to reality. It wasn’t a representation of my feelings about religion.

Theological explanations and interpretations evolve over time, even the so called “unchanging teachings of the Catholic Church” evolve (change), however they don’t call them changes…they simply say they have a better or more complete understanding.

For instance, their theological opinion on the doctrine of Original Sin is not the same as it was in Augustine’s time:

"Theology refers to this state of affairs by the certainly misleading and imprecise term ‘original sin’. What does this mean? Nothing seems to us today to be stranger or, indeed, more absurd than to insist upon original sin, since, according to our way of thinking, guilt can only be something very personal, and since God does not run a concentration camp, in which one’s relative are imprisoned because he is a liberating God of love, who calls each one by name. "---Pope Benedict XVI (A Catholic Understanding of the Story of Creation and the Fall ---William B. Erdmans Publishing Co., 1995)


The Pope has written, "the Christian message [is] not only 'informative' but 'performative'," meaning that even though theology can't inform about God, it can perform in bringing a person towards God.”---Georgeous

As stated that’s too vague a statement for me. It’s one of those claims that sound impressive until you start to think about it. I don’t think it can be demonstrated to be true or false. How do we know if there is a God and/or if the information we have been taught about Him is true or false ("theology can't inform about God"winking smiley, and if we say something about God, what does it mean? What do theologians try to inform us of, if not that? If we don’t know any of that…how can we say theology brings a person toward God?
Re: ESCAPE 666 - BIBLE PROPHECY REVEALED
December 12, 2007 01:21AM
Religion is not necessary for good people to do good things. Sainthood is bestowed upon people by people and it has much more to do with how they've chosen to dedicate their lives to other PEOPLE, rather than their dedication to god”---Sam

Do you remember about a year or so ago, Sam, when I told you that I thought you were a Christian?---Scrunching up, holding my hard hat securely on my head, and waiting for you to bean me once again with a baseball bat!---Well I still think you are!

What did Jesus say was the greatest commandment? ---Yer supposed to love God with your whole heart and soul…and…love yer neighbor as yourself…and here comes the important part…he said one’s the same as the other!

Soooo…even though you are an atheist, if you love your neighbor, you ARE living the most important teaching…and, nah nah na nah nah---you’re loving God the way your supposed to! Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/12/2007 02:25PM by islander.
Anonymous User
Re: ESCAPE 666 - BIBLE PROPHECY REVEALED
December 12, 2007 01:57AM
Georgie boy is that it? A cheap shot at my poor grammer and spelling and a couple of photos as a retort. Wow.

Isn't it ironic that most of those guys you list were shot because of their views by religious maniacs?

BTW buddhism isn't a religion per se.

"The most heinous and the most cruel crimes of which history has record have been committed under the cover of religion or equally noble motives."
Mohandas Gandhi
Anonymous User
Re: ESCAPE 666 - BIBLE PROPHECY REVEALED
December 12, 2007 12:12PM
islander Wrote:
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> As stated that’s too vague a statement for me.
> It’s one of those claims that sound impressive
> until you start to think about it. I don’t think
> it can be demonstrated to be true or false. How do
> we know if there is a God and/or if the
> information we have been taught about Him is true
> or false ("theology can't inform about God"winking smiley, and
> if we say something about God, what does it mean?
> What do theologians try to inform us of, if not
> that? If we don’t know any of that…how can we say
> theology brings a person toward God?

Know a theology's teachings are true by their results? I'm not sure I know what you mean.
Anonymous User
Re: ESCAPE 666 - BIBLE PROPHECY REVEALED
December 12, 2007 12:14PM
facinatedforeigner Wrote:
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> "The most heinous and the most cruel crimes of
> which history has record have been committed under
> the cover of religion or equally noble motives."
> Mohandas Gandhi

You contradict your previous statements by quoting that religion is a noble motive.
Re: ESCAPE 666 - BIBLE PROPHECY REVEALED
December 12, 2007 04:03PM
"Know a theology's teachings are true by their results? I'm not sure I know what you mean."---Georgeous

Lets look at Augustine's theological opinion regarding original sin and baptism: Due to original sin, infants who die unbaptized go to hell.

Since, according to your quote, theology doesn't really inform us about anything [with regard to God], without appealing to some other theological opinions, which, ultimately inform us of nothing...how can it be said, regarding Augustine's theology, that "even though theology can't inform about God, it can perform in bringing a person towards God"?

Just out of curiosity, assuming there is a God, do you really think a baby's eternal fate (or anyones) can be determined by whether or not a certain ritual was performed? I don't know how many people actually believe that today...but no small number did in the past. Do ya really think that a mother's anguish over the eternal suffering of her unbaptized infant draws her, or anyone else, towards God?

Can you see why I don't think the orginall quote really says much of anything?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/12/2007 04:06PM by islander.
Sam
Re: ESCAPE 666 - BIBLE PROPHECY REVEALED
December 12, 2007 04:40PM
Isle, This ones for you. Yeah, it's me and god sending our festivus cheer to one and all...Enjoy! [www.elfyourself.com]

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Re: ESCAPE 666 - BIBLE PROPHECY REVEALED
December 13, 2007 12:07AM
Sam,

GOOD ONES! :-)

"Merry Christmas to you and god!"
Anonymous User
Re: ESCAPE 666 - BIBLE PROPHECY REVEALED
December 13, 2007 12:04PM
islander Wrote:
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> Since, according to your quote, theology doesn't
> really inform us about anything , without
> appealing to some other theological opinions,
> which, ultimately inform us of nothing...how can
> it be said, regarding Augustine's theology, that
> "even though theology can't inform about God, it
> can perform in bringing a person towards God"?

I didn't say theology doesn't teach us anything, but that it can't by informing us ever bring us to know God, because "No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him."


> Just out of curiosity, assuming there is a God, do
> you really think a baby's eternal fate (or
> anyones) can be determined by whether or not a
> certain ritual was performed?

No. You're confusing a "christening" ritual with baptism.
> Religion is not necessary for good people to do good things

Religion is need to improve our lifes. But we need non christian religion but right religion!

That speaks AntiChrist, who was born to be free! Who was born under sign 666 !!!

[my666.boom.ru]
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