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By Donna
September 25, 2021 1:27 pm
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"The outbreak began due to an unvaccinated Certified Nursing Assistant who worked in the center, Cascadia Healthcare, the company that operates the center, told KPAX.

An additional 16 staff members also tested positive for the virus, according to Cascadia Healthcare Director of Corporate Affairs Steve LaForte.

Approximately 88 percent of the center's residents are vaccinated against COVID-19. However, only 54 percent of the center's staff is also vaccinated.

Earlier this year, the state's Republican-led legislature passed a bill banning employers from requiring vaccination for their workers. The law, signed by Republican Governor Greg Gianforte, considers such requirements a form of "discrimination" in violation of the state's human rights laws.

Montana is the only U.S. state to have passed such a law."

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"Discrimination" isn't always a bad thing. When "human rights" laws cause mass death, you might want to re-think those laws.


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  1. by HatetheSwamp on September 25, 2021 3:20 pm
    I guess po is wrong. Natural immunity is just as effective as vax immunity.

    Having made that legitimate point, I think that the Montana law is ridiculous.


  2. by Donna on September 25, 2021 3:50 pm
    "I guess po is wrong. Natural immunity is just as effective as vax immunity."

    From where did you glean that fallacy?


  3. by Donna on September 25, 2021 3:53 pm
    I'm surprised that you think Montana's law is ridiculous. That would go against everything you've been saying about supposed government overreach.


  4. by Curt_Anderson on September 25, 2021 4:09 pm
    Oregon is just opposite. Healthcare workers must be vaccinated by mid-October. The local hospitals said they'd try to accommodate those with legitimate (religious, etc.) exemptions, but wouldn't promise them a job.

    Oregon Governor Kate Brown announced that executive branch employees of the State of Oregon will need to be vaccinated. This includes employees in public safety, correctional, and health care settings who are also employed by the state.

    Governor Brown also announced healthcare workers and all teachers, educators, support staff, and volunteers in K-12 schools would need to be fully vaccinated.


  5. by HatetheSwamp on September 25, 2021 5:04 pm

    Donna,

    In the Montana law, the government is interfering with a private business' ability to operate freely. The law restricts freedom.


  6. by Curt_Anderson on September 25, 2021 10:59 pm
    There was an Amtrak crash in Montana with some 150 injured and at least a few fatalities today. I bet it'll be struggle to find space in the hospitals for all the injured.


  7. by HatetheSwamp on September 26, 2021 4:35 am

    Well, there'll be nine nursery home beds...


  8. by islander on September 26, 2021 4:56 am

    "If you've had COVID-19 before, does your natural immunity work better than a vaccine?

    The data is clear: Natural immunity is not better. The COVID-19 vaccines create more effective and longer-lasting immunity than natural immunity from infection.

    More than a third of COVID-19 infections result in zero protective antibodies

    Natural immunity fades faster than vaccine immunity
    Natural immunity alone is less than half as effective than natural immunity plus vaccination"

    The second link goes into more detail as to the how and why the vaccine works better.
    nebraskamed.com
    theconversation.com


  9. by HatetheSwamp on September 26, 2021 5:59 am

    Thanks, isle. From your first article:

    "Studies are ongoing to evaluate the full duration of protective immunity, including the Johnson & Johnson vaccine....

    What about that Israeli study suggesting natural immunity is stronger? Infectious diseases expert James Lawler, MD, MPH, FIDSA, carefully evaluates the study design of the retrospective Maccabi Health System study in his Aug. 31 briefing. In the briefing, he identifies two concerning sources of error that were not corrected for: survivorship bias and selection bias."

    And, this is the point. Is natural immunity stronger or not? Clearly, the jury is still out? You cite your authority. Others who disagree with you can cite theirs.

    This is how you prove to me that science serves the same role in your life as the Quran serves in the life of Jihadist. You pick the passage that serves the conclusion you've already reached. People who are much better informed about Covid than you or I continue to disagree.

    As a post-science person, it's easy for me to understand that much more remains unknown about Covid than is known.

    The best educated "scientists" continue to disagree and debate.

    I'm certain that the healthiest way to live right now is to take every scientific OPINION as just that. An opinion.


  10. by islander on September 26, 2021 6:40 am

    Post your source (link) so that I can evaluate it and compare and it to other sources, weigh it and evaluate it---


  11. by HatetheSwamp on September 26, 2021 6:50 am

    isle,

    I simply quoted from your first article. I don't think I closed my quote. Sorry about that, Chief.


  12. by islander on September 26, 2021 7:51 am
    ” This is how you prove to me that science serves the same role in your life as the Quran serves in the life of Jihadist” [or the Bible in your case]

    No, it doesn’t prove that at all, it proves the opposite. it’s simply that you don’t understand why.

    You still seem unable to grasp how or why the way we look at scientific findings differ from the way you look at your religious beliefs.

    I gave you two sources, one of which explains how and why the immunity from the vaccine is superior to natural immunity. You’ve given no source to compare.

    Here is another.



    hub.jhu.edu


  13. by HatetheSwamp on September 26, 2021 8:16 am

    You still seem unable to grasp how or why the way we look at scientific findings differ from the way you look at your religious beliefs.

    We? Who is we?

    Tell me. Have the people who did the Israel research recanted and now agree with the guy you agree with?

    If they have, I wish you would have included that information because I might have agreed with you. That's a big deal.

    If not, you're doing what people hooked up with religion do. You're simply choosing one interpretation of the data and deciding to BELIEVE it and not to BELIEVE an alternate interpretation of the data.

    From what I can tell, people far better informed on COVID than either of us still disagree about the efficacy of natural immunity compared to vax immunity. Please correct me if you know I'm wrong.

    As I understand it, the opinion you quoted is not regarded among scientists to be settled in the way, say, Newton's law are accepted.

    You constantly chide me for my inability to grasp the scientific method. Trust me. I know a little bit about epistemology. I know a little about the difference between belief and knowledge.


  14. by Donna on September 26, 2021 9:15 am
    Hate, you have the Montana law exactly backwards. The law bans employers from requiring vaccinations for their workers.


  15. by islander on September 26, 2021 1:54 pm

    ” Tell me. Have the people who did the Israel research recanted and now agree with the guy you agree with?”

    You never posted the site that explained their view and/or how they arrived at it. It’s not “my guy” that I agree with. The evidence I presented to you is from more than one scientist and experts from many well-known and respected medical institutions.

    When you quoted from my previous post you unwittingly explained part of the problem with the Israel study which, by the way hasn’t been peer reviewed.

    From my previous link; “Real-world studies also indicate natural immunity's short life. For example, 65% of people with a lower baseline antibody from infection to begin with completely lost their COVID-19 antibodies by 60 days.

    You then quoted this part as if it helped your argument.

    What about that Israeli study suggesting natural immunity is stronger? Infectious diseases expert James Lawler, MD, MPH, FIDSA, carefully evaluates the study design of the retrospective Maccabi Health System study in his Aug. 31 briefing. In the briefing, he identifies two concerning sources of error that were not corrected for: survivorship bias and selection bias.”

    And yes I chide you for your inability, or maybe it’s simply your unwillingness to acknowledge how "what we learn using the scientific method" differs from religious dogma.

    I’ve explained it to you many times but from what you post here you still don’t get it, so I’ll explain it again. The knowledge we gain using the scientific method is based on evidence but is not absolute or pure knowledge. That kind of knowledge is virtually unobtainable. All scientific “knowledge” is tentative and subject to change with new observations and/or evidence. Religious “dogma” is the divinely revealed truth coming directly from God. That’s why a religious person believes such knowledge is the pure and absolute truth.

    I’d be happy to discuss epistemology and the differences between belief and knowledge. Simply start a new thread for that subject.




  16. by HatetheSwamp on September 27, 2021 5:13 am

    I’ve explained it to you many times but from what you post here you still don’t get it, so I’ll explain it again. The knowledge we gain using the scientific method is based on evidence but is not absolute or pure knowledge. That kind of knowledge is virtually unobtainable. All scientific “knowledge” is tentative and subject to change with new observations and/or evidence.

    Fine. I get that and I absolutely agree.

    My problem in reading your posts...and Curt's, too...is that, when you get to the bottom line, you seem to regard the knowledge derived from the application of the scientific method as if it is, indeed,"absolute or pure knowledge."

    I understand that some, perhaps many, researchers see flaws in the Israel study.

    What seems reasonable is to conclude, though, is that there's reason to question its conclusions. After all, as you say, "absolute or pure knowledge" is "virtually obtainable" through the scientific method.

    The truth of this moment is that much study has to be done regarding the efficacy of natural immunity...which is all I'm saying.

    Religious “dogma” is the divinely revealed truth coming directly from God. That’s why a religious person believes such knowledge is the pure and absolute truth.

    "Dogma" is a very Roman Catholic word. I think that that's your background. Even then, it seems to me that you are abusing it.


  17. by islander on September 28, 2021 5:10 am

    Hate wrote: My problem in reading your posts...and Curt's, too...is that, when you get to the bottom line, you seem to regard the knowledge derived from the application of the scientific method as if it is, indeed, "absolute or pure knowledge."

    You certainly do have a problem when it comes to reading our posts. Like I said before, it might have something to do with the way your brain is wired, in which case we shouldn’t expect you to comprehend what we are saying since you might have form of dyslexia. Although I suspect it could be something less flattering.

    For example, you claim; “After all, as you say, "absolute or pure knowledge" is "virtually obtainable" through the scientific method” …when in fact, I said the exact opposite.


  18. by HatetheSwamp on September 28, 2021 8:50 am

    The knowledge we gain using the scientific method is based on evidence but is not absolute or pure knowledge. That kind of knowledge is virtually unobtainable. All scientific “knowledge” is tentative and subject to change with new observations and/or evidence. -isle


  19. by islander on September 28, 2021 9:08 am

    Much better. I'd prefer you quote what I say rather than post your mischaraterizations of what I say and think....




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