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September 24, 2021 8:56 am
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Sometimes it seems as though nothing is being done to bring Trump and his cohorts to justice. The question, “Why hasn’t he been indicted yet” is one I’m sure most of us have asked ourselves or at least felt that way at times.

When you get to the top tier of criminals, the ones with plenty of money, lawyers, and power, like those at the top of organized crime families, you’ll find that these types of people are extremely skilled at covering their tracks and insulating themselves. We can know they are guilty, but proving it in court can be difficult and time consuming which is why, for example, they finally had to prosecute and convict Al Capone for failing to file tax returns.

Teri Kanefield offers some clear insights into this when she describes what we are up against when it comes to prosecute Trump for his crimes.


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  1. by Curt_Anderson on September 24, 2021 1:35 pm
    Islander,
    Trump's habit of speaking obliquely like a mob boss gives him plausible deniability. Also the greatest fault of our justice system is that it gives a distinct advantage to the rich and an equal disadvantage to the poor.

    Trump is making a dubious argument that executive privilege should shield Mark Meadows, Steve Bannon, et al from testifying before Congress. It's a lame legal argument, but he probably will be able to slow the wheels of justice.

    For another example, Tara Reade perjured herself in numerous court cases. Many of the people she testified against were convicted and imprisoned. If any of those people who are sitting in prison now, had the financial wherewithal to hire lawyers, they would rightfully be demanding the conviction thrown out or demanding a new trial and would probably be already released from confinement.

    The Monterey County District Attorney's Office will not file perjury charges against Tara Reade, the woman who in 2019 accused now President-Elect Joe Biden of sexual assault while a member of his Senate staff in the 1990s—an accusation he has repeatedly denied—despite finding she repeatedly lied about her credentials while under oath and testifying as an expert witness in domestic violence cases in Monterey County Superior Court.

    A press release issued Thursday, Nov. 19, by District Attorney Jeannine Pacioni states that her office will not file perjury charges "because of the difficulty in proving the materiality of her false testimony.

    "Materiality requires proving beyond a reasonable doubt in a new trial that Ms. Reade's false testimony in other trials probably would have influenced the outcomes in those trials," the statement reads. "This inquiry depends on the facts and strength of the old cases, which would require again presenting these cases in a new perjury trial."

    montereycountyweekly.com


  2. by Ponderer on September 24, 2021 4:17 pm

    It seems to me that they know that there will be a sizable portion of the country that won't accept a guilty verdict against their Orange Lord and Master, even if the evidence is a signed confession and video from five cameras of him actually doing it. They know they have to have as rock solid a case as possible and that takes time.

    If they are subpoenaing Meadows and Bannon for their testimonies, they probably already have enough evidence against them to prove they're lying if they contradict what all the evidence is showing against Trump. And if they tell the truth, it will be a direct, confirming connection to Trump.


  3. by islander on September 25, 2021 4:24 am

    We are truly living in dangerous times for our democracy. Heather's post today is extremely important and I urge ALL of you to read her letter contained in the link.

    "On Monday, we learned that after last year’s election, John Eastman, a well-connected lawyer advising former president Donald Trump, outlined a six-point plan to overturn the outcome of the election and install Trump as America’s leader. They planned to cut the voters’ actual choice, Democrat Joe Biden, out of power: as Trump advisor Steve Bannon put it, they planned to “kill the Biden presidency in the crib.” This appears to have been the plan that Trump and his loyalists tried to execute on January 6.

    That is, we now have written proof of an attempt to destroy our democracy and replace it with an autocracy.

    This was not some crazy plot of some obscure dude in a shack in the mountains; this was a plan of the president of the United States of America, and it came perilously close to succeeding. The president of the United States tried to overturn the results of an election—the centerpiece of our democracy—and install himself into power illegitimately."
    heathercoxrichardson.substack.com


  4. by HatetheSwamp on September 25, 2021 4:51 am

    isle,

    This is silly.

    Ain't TDS cute, though!!!!!?

    I'll rank you some distance behind po on this. I've often said that po'd be the first person here to join a lynch mob. Seemingly, you'd be next.

    We have a justice system here. It applies to Trump, too. Heck!, that Russia hoax thing that Hillary started hasn't even gotten to her yet!

    As the Eagles sang, "Don't let the sound of your own wheels drive you crazy."


  5. by islander on September 25, 2021 6:07 am

    Hate---

    If you don't have anything intelligent to add to this thread take a hike.

    We don't need your inane trolling posts cluttering it up.


  6. by islander on September 25, 2021 6:46 am

    "Trump's habit of speaking obliquely like a mob boss gives him plausible deniability. Also the greatest fault of our justice system is that it gives a distinct advantage to the rich and an equal disadvantage to the poor." ---Curt

    Exactly! If you look at Teri Kanefield’s post she makes it perfectly clear, with examples, of how Trump (just like mob bosses) can, for instance, tell an underling to lie yet still be able to say “I never told him to lie”.

    "Michael Cohen, Donald Trump’s longtime personal lawyer, testified under oath before Congress about how Trump signals the lies people are supposed to tell.

    “Mr. Trump did not directly tell me to lie to Congress,” Cohen said. “That’s not how he operates.”

    So, how does he operate? Michael Cohen offered a few examples. In one example, during the campaign, while Cohen was negotiating with Russia on Trump’s behalf (to build Trump Tower Moscow), Trump often asked Cohen how the negotiations were going. Other times Trump looked Cohen in the eye and said, “there’s no business in Russia.” Afterward, Trump went out and told the American people that he had no business in Russia. Cohen thus understood that “there’s no business in Russia” was the lie he was supposed to tell.

    Andrew McCabe tells a similar story. After Trump fired Comey, Trump summoned McCabe to a meeting. Trump offered a “gleeful” description of what happened with the firing of Comey. McCabe knew it wasn’t true. He also knew Trump expected him to “adopt” this falsehood.

    McCabe refused. He said, “No sir. That’s not true . . . ” He knew that he’d “given him the wrong answer.” McCabe knew he would lose his job because of his unwillingness to tell the lie that Trump wanted him to tell. Trump not only made sure McCabe was fired, he also made sure McCabe—after 21 years of service—would not receive his earned benefits.”




  7. by HatetheSwamp on September 25, 2021 8:24 am

    Michael Cohen, Donald Trump’s longtime personal lawyer, testified under oath before Congress about how Trump signals the lies people are supposed to tell.

    isle,

    Tell me that you think that Trump is the first President, or the best, even, at playing that game.

    If you can, please then explain to me what the definition of effin "is," is.

    Indy was absolutely correct. Past Presidents are never pursued for this sort of thing.


  8. by Curt_Anderson on September 25, 2021 9:22 am
    Islander, et al,
    Have you noticed that Trumpites only defense of Trump's worst behavior is that "other presidents" or "other business people" have done the same thing?

    People like HtS and Indy have cynical views of politics and believe that all politicians are crooks and cheats so they are perfectly content with a guy like Trump in the White House. They have the same cynical attitude about democracy which is why they so readily believe the obvious lie that the election was rigged.

    We don't elect or expect presidents to be saints but Trump is a special case. He exhibits the worst behavior of past presidents and ramps it up to new levels. Trump combines the bigotry and xenophobia of Andrew Jackson with the paranoia and delusions of Nixon then emulates all the worst faults of every past president.

    HtS's assertion notwithstanding, Clinton did not talk like a mob boss in the way Trump does. Nor did any past president come close in quantity or content to Trump's lies.


  9. by Donna on September 25, 2021 9:45 am
    Hate remains King of Unequitable Comparisons.


  10. by Donna on September 25, 2021 9:51 am
    To my knowledge, Trump is the only former president who (allegedly) attempted to overturn the results of an election and have himself reinstated, and then after failing to acconpmish that, remained the head of his party and the presumptive nominee for his party in the next election.


  11. by Curt_Anderson on September 25, 2021 10:13 am
    Donna,
    Trump is the only President not to respect our tradition of the peaceful transfer of power from one administration to the next. He is the only living president not to attend his successor's inauguration.

    Grover Cleveland who was elected to two non-successive terms respected the will of electorate when Benjamin Harrison became the 23rd president. Cleveland was not the presumptive nominee for his second term.


  12. by HatetheSwamp on September 25, 2021 10:34 am

    People like HtS and Indy have cynical views of politics and believe that all politicians are crooks and cheats...

    Not all politicians. No.

    Neither of the Bushes were crooks. Certainly, James Earl Carter wasn't. Of course, all of that group were also incompetent.


  13. by HatetheSwamp on September 25, 2021 10:36 am

    Yeah, yeah. Trump Trump Trump Trump.

    I despise Trump. I think he's despicable.




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