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By Curt_Anderson
September 23, 2021 8:13 am
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If the Cyber Ninjas don't present convincing evidence that Donald Trump won the State of Arizona, I expect that the Arizona Senate will be suddenly shy about announcing the results.

PHOENIX — Contractors in charge of the audit of 2020 Maricopa County election results will present their findings to the Arizona Senate on Friday.

Lead contractor and Cyber Ninjas CEO Doug Logan, CyFIR founder Ben Cotton and a selection of others will unveil their findings to Senate President Karen Fann and Judiciary Chair Warren Petersen at 1 p.m.



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  1. by HatetheSwamp on September 23, 2021 8:34 am

    Speaking for Pennsylvania, there's no way that the Dems will be busted for what they did. My sense is that they worked it the same way in Georgia. It's obvious that the Dems cheated. It's equally certain that they'll get away with it!


  2. by Ponderer on September 23, 2021 8:47 am

    It was the PERFECT CRIME!

    Since the only way to detect or know they committed fraud is to j7ust baselessly assume they committed fraud, therefore, they must have committed fraud!


    Those loony clowns Arizona hired aren't gonna have shit.


  3. by HatetheSwamp on September 23, 2021 8:59 am

    Speaking only for what I know from Pennsylvania. The Dems separated mail in ballots from their security envelopes...AWAY FROM GOP INSPECTORS!

    Did "that feckless, dementia-ridden piece of crap" have a majority of votes in Pennsylvania? Certainly.

    Did "that feckless, dementia-ridden piece of crap" pull in a major of legitimate votes? Almost certainly not!


  4. by Ponderer on September 23, 2021 9:09 am

    "Speaking only for what I know from Pennsylvania. The Dems separated mail in ballots from their security envelopes...AWAY FROM GOP INSPECTORS!" -Hate

    Uh huh. And you are totally familiar enough with the way that election officials run their vote counts to know that this was absolutely unprecedented and a commitment of fraud. Or you are happy and gullible enough to swallow such malarkey from someone on the internet and regurgitate it.

    Go soak your head, Hate.


  5. by HatetheSwamp on September 23, 2021 9:18 am

    po,

    It was huuuge news here. And I paid close attention to what the Dem crooks in Philadelphia were doing.


  6. by Curt_Anderson on September 23, 2021 9:26 am
    "Speaking only for what I know from Pennsylvania. The Dems separated mail in ballots from their security envelopes...AWAY FROM GOP INSPECTORS!" -HtS.

    In Oregon we call those "secrecy envelopes". It's part of our secret ballot elections. Other people, especially partisans, have no reason to be craining their necks to see what's inside.


  7. by HatetheSwamp on September 23, 2021 9:31 am

    In Pennsylvania, mail-in ballots are supposed to be opened with a member of both major parties as a witness to verify that the signature on the ballot is legitimate. Operatives of the Dem machine in Philadelphia violated that protocol.


  8. by Ponderer on September 23, 2021 9:37 am

    And of course, any and every time any election official ever wanders from protocol, it means they stole the election.

    Your Orange Lord and Savior lost the election, Hate. Fair and square. Just deal with it and move on already.


  9. by HatetheSwamp on September 23, 2021 10:28 am

    Since the days of Tammany Hall, when it's Dems, it's usually nasty.


  10. by Curt_Anderson on September 23, 2021 9:20 pm
    Republican Review of Arizona Vote Fails to Show Stolen Election
    The much criticized review showed much the same results as in November, with 99 more Biden votes and 261 fewer Trump ones.


  11. by HatetheSwamp on September 24, 2021 3:52 am

    Curt,

    It smells as if Veep Joe Biden was using his son Hunter to solicit bribes.


  12. by HatetheSwamp on September 24, 2021 3:59 am

    Sorry. I meant that for the other thread.


  13. by Curt_Anderson on September 24, 2021 10:36 am
    “The audit has uncovered significant and undeniable evidence of fraud!” Trump said in a statement. “Until we know how and why this happened, our elections will never be secure. This is a major criminal event and should be investigated by the Attorney General immediately.”


  14. by Ponderer on September 25, 2021 7:26 am

    The tragically sad thing about all this is that there could be Republican funded "Cyber Ninja" type audits done in every single state, then two more Republican funded audits in each state that all confirm the first ones, all like this one proving that there was absolutely no fraud anywhere with the vote counting in the 2020 election, and the hard core MAGA loons like pb would still not accept that their Fearless Orange Leader lost the election fair and square. They will never concede. Because "Never Concede" is their Orange Messiah's mantra.

    Donald Trump is literally destroying democracy in this country before our very eyes. And the Grand Old Party is facilitating him in doing it with their pathetic, mealy-mouthed acquiescence.

    I can't wait to get out of here. I don't want to be here to see it happen.


  15. by Donna on September 25, 2021 3:32 pm
    Just saw this on Facebook:

    Imagine paying a company called “cyber ninjas” millions of dollars to accidentally prove your candidate lost by even more than you thought


  16. by HatetheSwamp on September 25, 2021 3:37 pm

    You should check out the rally. The Trump gang is properly stoked by the Arizona audit. It seems that the SwampMedia ain't telling the whole story...

    ...and who can possibly doubt that's possible?


  17. by Donna on September 25, 2021 3:42 pm
    I'm beginning to think that all Trumpers are mentally ill.





  18. by HatetheSwamp on September 26, 2021 4:00 am

    Ah, yes. To be different than you makes one defective. Oh, to be you!


  19. by HatetheSwamp on September 26, 2021 4:11 am

    Trump made a decent case that the Arizona count should be decertified.

    As in Pennsylvania, even Trump seemed to be acknowledging that the Dem' shenanigans are so brilliant that an actual truthful vote tally is probably impossible.

    I honestly think that what I've been saying since almost immediately after the election is going to have to be the settled truth, i.e., the best GOPs can do is to prove, beyond doubt, that the Dems cheated and then fix election law to make it difficult for them to cheat in the same way again.


  20. by Donna on September 26, 2021 7:27 am

    Hate, it's not that you think differently than us that makes you defective.

    It's that you are verifiably wrong, have no evidence whatsoever that you are right, and yet keep insisting that you are right that makes you defective.

    And a moron.


  21. by Ponderer on September 26, 2021 7:35 am
    Yeah, that was me. First post of the morning tradition.

    "Trump made a decent case that the Arizona count should be decertified." -Hate


    That is probably the stupidest thing you've ever posted. A case made out of multiply-debunked bullshit that he pulled out of his ass is as far from "decent" as it's possible to get.


    We know now, Hate. The election was not rigged. The Republicans are fools.


  22. by HatetheSwamp on September 26, 2021 7:54 am

    It's that you are verifiably wrong, have no evidence whatsoever that you are right, and yet keep insisting that you are right that makes you defective.

    Good enough.

    Give me an example of an instance in which I have been verifyably wrong and state as a fact something that is wrong...

    ...and am unable or unwilling to face objective fact, and continue to insist that I am correct in the face of objective evidence.


  23. by Donna on September 26, 2021 9:19 am
    I just showed you on the thread about Montana where you got the Montana law wrong.


  24. by HatetheSwamp on September 26, 2021 9:22 am

    No, Donna. That's how I understood it all along. The law steals from businesses the freedom to determine how to operate their own enterprise.


  25. by HatetheSwamp on September 26, 2021 9:24 am

    Sorry. Wrong thread again. The site's working differently for me. And, I'm learning a new phone.


  26. by Ponderer on September 27, 2021 9:02 am

    "Give me an example of an instance in which I have been verifyably wrong and state as a fact something that is wrong..." -Hate


    Do you believe Biden won the 2020 presidential election fair and square?


  27. by HatetheSwamp on September 27, 2021 10:20 am

    po,

    It's my belief that the Dems cheated. So, fair and square?, no.

    As I've been saying, Joe may actually have won without the cheating but we'll never know.


  28. by Ponderer on September 27, 2021 5:36 pm

    "It's my belief that the Dems cheated. So, fair and square?, no."

    Well, you wanted and example. So I gave you one.


    "As I've been saying, Joe may actually have won without the cheating but we'll never know."

    Correction: You'll never know.

    Because you've decided there is no way to sufficiently prove it to you so that you could know.

    Because it serves your purposes to not know.

    Because you've swallowed the Big Lie Bullshit that although this was the most thoroughly re-gone over presidential election in our history, everything that was sufficient to verify and legally affirm the accuracy of every other election was totally insufficient for you and your moronic ilk.


  29. by Curt_Anderson on September 27, 2021 5:59 pm
    HtS,
    Ponderer is absolutely correct.

    Biden's 2020 election win was the mostly thoroughly scrutinized, recounted and audited presidential election in history. That includes the disputed 2020 election.

    If you aren't sure that Biden won the last election fair and square, then you can't be sure that any president won their election fair and square or if any team won the Super Bowl, the World Series or the NBA championship fair and square.


  30. by Ponderer on September 27, 2021 6:48 pm

    That's my point, Curt.

    I mean, why didn't we think of simply refusing to accept Trump's election in '16? You apparently don't need a shred of evidence, proof, or anything. Why didn't we think of simply ignoring all the documented, and verified results and declaring that Clinton actually won the election?




    Because we aren't childish, tantrum-throwing, willfully pig-ignorant, woefully gullible imbeciles is why.


  31. by Curt_Anderson on September 27, 2021 7:25 pm
    Ponderer,
    Or why pay off on any sports losing sports bet? What if I am not convinced that the horse that led by a furlong when crossing the finish line really won "fair and square"? Can the Kentucky Derby be audited?

    For that matter what about contracts? Can we really know if they are legitimate? There's a woman here in my house who "claims" she is my lawfully wedded wife, but how can I really be sure? Our alleged marriage happened over 40 years ago and the ID's and credentials of the so-called official and of the witnesses were never checked.



  32. by HatetheSwamp on September 28, 2021 5:19 am

    "It's my belief that the Dems cheated. So, fair and square?, no."

    Well, you wanted an example. So I gave you one.

    ----------------

    No. No, you didn't.

    I was waiting for this exchange. Call be The Great Kreskin! I knew this was coming.

    What you have given me is a perfect example of the fact that you are convinced that you are the center of the universe.

    I asked for an example related to objective fact and you?...

    ...bahahahahahahahaha...

    ...you come up with a difference related to what you and I BELIEVE!!!!!

    Hoohoohoohoohoohoohoo!!!!!

    Exactly. If you believe something, that belief becomes, by definition, objective fact for the rest of the universe!

    Hehehehehehehehehe!

    So, yeah. Our beliefs about the 020 election differ!

    News flash:

    Because you believe something, it's not, by definition, fact!


  33. by HatetheSwamp on September 28, 2021 5:38 am

    Biden's 2020 election win was the mostly thoroughly scrutinized, recounted and audited presidential election in history. That includes the disputed 2020 election. -Curt

    I watched Trump's rally on Saturday. I heard him summarize the voting irregularities the Arizona audit exposed and all the votes that were counted that are dodgy.

    There's no doubt that there was cheating in the 020 election and that the Dems outdid themselves in executing it.

    You are going to believe what you want to believe, and that's fine.

    I'm the first to acknowledge that subjectivity is truth.


  34. by Curt_Anderson on September 28, 2021 11:06 am
    "I watched Trump's rally on Saturday. I heard him summarize the voting irregularities the Arizona audit exposed and all the votes that were counted that are dodgy." -HtS

    There's your problem: you accept Trump as a credible source.

    Republican-led Maricopa County lambasted the Cyber Ninjas' audit and alleged "voting irregularities" with multiple tweets in their official Twitter account. See the county's Twitter link below for their point-by-point refutation of Cyber Ninja's conclusions.

    "Cyber Ninjas still don't understand this is legal under federal election law," the county posted on its official Twitter account. "To label it a 'critical' concern is either intentionally misleading or staggeringly ignorant."."

    Maricopa County
    @maricopacounty
    Sep 24
    Replying to
    @maricopacounty
    EXPLANATION:
    1) Military and overseas voters can cast a “federal only ballot” despite living outside the U.S. The address tied to their ballot would be their prior address in AZ.
    Maricopa County
    @maricopacounty
    Sep 24
    2) People are allowed to move from one house to another (or even one state to another) in October and November of an election year (yes, shocking!). If the driver’s license address matches the voter registration address, they are still allowed to vote.
    Maricopa County
    @maricopacounty
    Sep 24
    3) For the November General Election Maricopa County had 20,933 one-time temporary address requests. In addition, snowbirds and college students tend to have forwarding addresses when they are out of the county.

    4) Mail-in ballots are not forwarded to another address.
    Maricopa County
    @maricopacounty
    Sep 24
    CLAIM: 10,342 potential voters that voted in multiple counties

    BOTTOM LINE: There are more than 7 million people in Arizona and, yes, some of them share names & birth years. To identify this as a critical issue is laughable.
    Maricopa County
    @maricopacounty
    Sep 24
    EXPLANATION: 10,000+ votes in multiple counties is unlikely.

    More likely: different people, same name. Example: if you search for Maria Garcia born in 1980, you’ll get 7 active voters in Maricopa County and 12 statewide. And that’s just one name.
    Maricopa County
    @maricopacounty
    Sep 24
    If Cyber Ninjas understood data analysis, they would have performed standard processes to rule out situations that lead to faulty conclusions.
    Maricopa County
    @maricopacounty
    Sep 24
    CLAIM: 9,041 more ballots returned by voters than received

    BOTTOM LINE: This suggests a lack of understanding about how EV 33 files work. It’s not unusual for more ballots to be returned by voters than received.

    Et cetera, et cetera...


    twitter.com


  35. by Donna on September 28, 2021 11:26 am
    And I'm sure that all of that goes ditto for states like GA, WI, and PA. Probably all of the alleged "cheating" in PA that Hate alludes to is rooted in similar or identical fallacies and misunderstandings.


  36. by HatetheSwamp on September 28, 2021 11:50 am

    There's your problem: you accept Trump as a credible source.

    I do accept him as A source. Your problem is your Trumpaphobic, irrational ignorance of what Trump says. Grain of salt, there, Curt, grain of salt. After all, I've never known you to question Joe's demented rants.

    What Trump did was read off numbers from the auditor's report. As much as the SwampMedia is always chomping at the bit to trash Trump, I'll note that they're not questioning the numbers he cited.


  37. by Ponderer on September 28, 2021 6:17 pm

    "No. No, you didn't." -Hate

    Yes. Yes I did.

    I know the bullshit semantics game you're playing. And I'm not interested in playing a long, pointless, protracted round with you.

    If you want to go around saying that you believe things have happened, but that they aren't actually factual occurrences, while not having a shred of credible... credible(FOR THE LOVE OF GOD LOOK THAT WORD UP ALREADY!!!)evidence or proof on any such thing having happened, and look like the total moronic imbecile that you apparently want us to believe you are, that's totally up to you. Knock yourself out.



    "I watched Trump's rally on Saturday. I heard him summarize the voting irregularities the Arizona audit exposed and all the votes that were counted that are dodgy." -Hate

    "I do accept him as A source." -Hate

    If you weren't the abject cult member of his that you are, you would have learned over the last few years, along with the rest of the planet, what an inexhaustible, boundlessly shameless, pathological liar he is, and that there is nothing he could ever say, in pretty much any setting, that any sane individual should or ever would consider that man to even "A" source. For anything. Literally Anything.

    Long story short: You are an immense idiot for thinking anything he ever says has anything worth considering to it, in any fraction of a percentage where it regards reality.

    Jesus God what a hopeless cult member you are, Hate. You can't even keep from watching his rallies! Since you don't trust any actual journalistic sources at all, you are still driven to hang on his every word... his every incomplete sentence... his every sociopathic, narcissistic, batshit-crazy rambling... to get "informed" on what is going on.

    He seems to be your ONLY source, Hate.

    Or is it merely a coincidence that you just happen to believe everything he happens to have said or ended up saying? Or are other media sources that you are loathe to admit to having frequented been telling you the same bullshit you ravenously want to hear?

    Who else is telling you this cockamamie malarkey?


  38. by Ponderer on September 28, 2021 6:19 pm



    I dislike this forum set up, Curt.


  39. by Curt_Anderson on September 28, 2021 6:36 pm
    Ponderer,
    Duly noted. Again.


  40. by Curt_Anderson on September 28, 2021 7:12 pm
    "What Trump did was read off numbers from the auditor's report." -HtS

    He read off numbers from a report by discredited and incompetent "auditors".

    I rely on Trump as a reverse source. That is if he claims something I assume to be not true until proven otherwise. I have never been disappointed by doubting his credibility.





  41. by HatetheSwamp on October 1, 2021 11:16 am

    He read off numbers from a report by discredited and incompetent "auditors".

    It seems to me that the defenders of this doubted election result are between a rock and a hard place because the figures arrived at by auditors you deem to be incompetent are out there. No one is suggesting that Trump miscited them. You can't cast aspersions on them except to insult the people who arrived at them...not a very compelling argument.

    At this point, all of the intangibles that drive voter turnout in an off year election are heavily with the antiSwamp.


  42. by Donna on October 1, 2021 12:03 pm
    And ironically they're supporting the politician least likely to do anything about the swamp. Most Trumpers don't seem to have a clue about what the swamp is.

    I'm anti-swamp too. One of the hallmarks of a progressivism is to be anti-swamp. And if you've been following my posts as of late, you should notice that I've been posting a lot on the swamp.



  43. by HatetheSwamp on October 1, 2021 12:45 pm

    Donna,

    As exchanges with Curt in the past have made plain, definitions of the Swamp are as various as the people who have thoughts about the Swamp.

    The Swamp is what is evil in the eye of the beholder. And, no doubt. The people who show up at Trump rallies define it differently than you.


  44. by Donna on October 1, 2021 6:28 pm
    You have yet to define it.


  45. by HatetheSwamp on October 2, 2021 3:52 am

    WHAT!!!!?

    I've given my definition many times. And, refined it.


  46. by Curt_Anderson on October 2, 2021 9:08 am
    "I've given my definition many times. And, refined it." --HtS

    What you have done many times is to claim you've previously defined "The Swamp". You have never actually defined the term, at least not in any consistent way.

    We can infer from your posts that "the Swamp" is any entity or persons with money, power, authority or influence that Trump himself has complained about.


  47. by islander on October 3, 2021 8:00 am

    "The Swamp is what is evil in the eye of the beholder." ---Hate

    So Hate, when you use the term "the Swamp" here on this board it basically has no objective meaning, but "or you" the Swamp means anything you think is evil.

    I think Trump used it to mean his political opponents.

    In real life though, there is nothing evil about a swamp, in fact, they are quite valuable to life and the ecosystem.

    "A swamp is a forested wetland. Swamps are considered to be transition zones because both land and water play a role in creating this environment." *

    *Wikipedia


  48. by HatetheSwamp on October 3, 2021 8:33 am

    Clearly, I was splaining how both Donna and I, who agree about pret'near nothing, can both be vehement that we HatetheSwamp.




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