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September 4, 2021 7:30 am
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Former Pence adviser: Stephen Miller pushed 'anti-refugee' mentality

(CNN)Stephen Miller seemed floored by the idea, raised during a fall Cabinet meeting in 2018, of  keeping open the doors for Afghan allies and other Middle East refugees to enter the US. 

"What do you guys want?" Miller, then a top adviser to President Donald Trump, asked incredulously, according to one person in the room. "A bunch of Iraqs and 'Stans across the country?"

His words stunned many in the meeting, but they were no accident. Under Miller's guidance, several sources told CNN, the Trump administration was purposefully slow-walking the entry of all refugees -- including allies who aided American soldiers in Afghanistan.


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  1. by HatetheSwamp on September 4, 2021 2:50 pm

    Interesting that CNN admitted that the rest of the Trump officials were stunned. The Swampcult progressive CW would have it that every Trump supporter, along with Orange himself, are flaming xenophobes.


  2. by Donna on September 4, 2021 3:41 pm

    "Interesting that CNN admitted that the rest of the Trump officials were stunned."

    So all of his officials involved in this were either sociopathic, racist ass holes making it impossible to bring our Afghan allies to safety... or they were little more than powerless witnesses to what was being done, incapable of doing anything about it.

    You'd love to try to make a case that it was just a tiny little fraction of his cabinet who were bigoted white supremacists. But it was the tiny little fraction who had Trump's ear and made the policies with him.


  3. by HatetheSwamp on September 4, 2021 3:56 pm

    I strongly doubt that any were bigoted white supremacists.


  4. by Donna on September 4, 2021 4:16 pm
    Why do you doubt that?


  5. by Curt_Anderson on September 4, 2021 4:30 pm
    Donna,
    I suspect that not everybody in Trump's cabinet and staff was a xenophobe like Stephen Miller. He probably was the worst. In fact he'd be the worst in group. His uncle and former rabbi are appalled by him.

    Some of the others might have been approaching his level of bigotry. Probably many or most of them were afraid or too morally bankrupt to object.

    “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”


  6. by HatetheSwamp on September 5, 2021 3:56 am

    As I see it, people who hate Trump are predisposed to think the worst possible things of everyone who supports Trump and, especially, everyone who is associated with Trump.

    As I've noted many times, I know many people who truly love Trump and believe in him, as mystifying as that may be to both of us. I know many of those people personally. With very few exceptions, they are honest citizens. Genuinely good people. If they'd be your neighbor, and politics never came up, you'd be pleased to borrow a cup of sugar from them. When your back hurts, they'd offer to mow your lawn...if you had one.

    Based on previous exchanges, you don't have many personal friends who are Trumpers, if any.

    Your opinions about Trump's people, as far as I can tell, honestly, are not rooted in knowledge, only presumption. Prejudice.


  7. by islander on September 6, 2021 1:02 pm

    ”As I see it, people who hate Trump are predisposed to think the worst possible things of everyone who supports Trump and, especially, everyone who is associated with Trump.” ---Hate

    Well, Hate, as I see it, your hatred for those you call “the swamp” has blinded you and inhibited your ability to think rationally. This helps explain your need to constantly project your own irrational thinking and hatred toward those of us who oppose Trump trying to make it seem as if we are experiencing your own unbridled hatred toward “the swamp”.

    Rather than thinking the “worst possible” things about everyone who supports Trump, For "most" of us I think it’s more like being depressed, dumbfounded and disillusioned that so many of our friends and relatives supported, and some still support Trump. In fact, at times it can be quite painful.



  8. by HatetheSwamp on September 6, 2021 1:31 pm

    Right isle. No doubt. I'm pond scum.

    However, I do know many devoted Trump followers. Overwhelmingly, they are good people. Conscientious students. Faithful spouses. Devoted parents and grandparents. Hardworking employees. Nice neighbors. Helpful community volunteers.


  9. by islander on September 6, 2021 1:55 pm

    Hate, I don't doubt that you could say the same thing about these people. And they felt that they were good people too.


  10. by Curt_Anderson on September 6, 2021 2:43 pm
    Here is the image that islander wanted to share.

    https://s.abcnews.com/images/US/GTY-blm-civil-rights-03-jef-161228_1x1_1600.jpg


  11. by islander on September 6, 2021 4:22 pm

    Thanks Curt!


  12. by Curt_Anderson on September 6, 2021 6:52 pm
    Islander,
    You are welcome. ABC News made it hard to find the address for that image. Generally, if you don't see a .jpg, .gif or .png, it's iffy that it will appear as image. Meaning it's probably a link to the entire page. In that case, paste the supposed image address INSTEAD or possibly ALSO into the citations section.

    Btw, did you get a load of those harassing students? Cripes, they looked old or maybe just ugly in the bigotry.


  13. by islander on September 7, 2021 4:54 am

    Curt,

    Thanks again, it'll take me a bit of time to learn all the new tricks (I'm an old dog) as far as getting around and using the site!

    I agree that some of those "students" look old enough to be parents of the other students and the look of hatred on their faces is chilling.


  14. by HatetheSwamp on September 7, 2021 5:23 am

    ...people who hate Trump are predisposed to think the worst possible things of everyone who supports Trump and, especially, everyone who is associated with Trump.

    Wow, isle. Performance Art?

    You just proved my point.


  15. by Donna on September 7, 2021 7:34 am
    Apparently there are no bigots. I've never heard anyone ever admit to being a bigot.


  16. by HatetheSwamp on September 7, 2021 7:50 am

    Well, Donna, the KKKers are pretty Proud Boys, eh?

    I'm not saying that all Trumpsters are angels. I'm merely noting that all are not devils, as isle's seemingly saying.


  17. by Curt_Anderson on September 7, 2021 8:29 am
    It's telling that Miller nor anybody else bas issued a denial of the "Iraqs and stans" comment. A non-bigoted person would be outraged to have such a statement attributed to them.

    When somebody falsely attributes a statement to somebody on these pages it's met with fierce denial.

    If Trump were still the president and Stephen Miller still had his ear I sincerely doubt that they would have let as many Afghans out as the Biden Administration has. Those with dual Afghanistan US citizenship would have been facing hurdles too.


  18. by HatetheSwamp on September 7, 2021 9:00 am

    If Trump were still the president and Stephen Miller still had his ear I sincerely doubt that they would have let as many Afghans out as the Biden Administration has. Those with dual Afghanistan US citizenship would have been facing hurdles too.

    The word I've gotten is that very few of our interpreters have been permitted to leave and that many we removed had little or no vetting.

    My guess is that the Trump gang would have been more just and effient.


  19. by islander on September 7, 2021 9:03 am
    This is why I don’t see Hate’s posts as anything other than rants with little regard for the truth of what he is saying.

    ”I'm merely noting that all are not devils, as isle's seemingly saying.” ---Hate

    As Hate Knows, I never said or implied that all Trump supporters are “devils”. Hate doesn’t seem to know what the picture of all those people displaying their hatred for the young black student trying to go to school is demonstrating.

    If you Google images of the lynching of blacks that took place in our country, and look at the crowds of people who came to watch, you’ll see men, women, children and families. Virtually all of them would fit Hate’s description of the good Trump supporters. Most of the people in the photos go to church, read the bible, are upstanding members of the community, help each other, and are hard working people.

    So, when we say it is depressing and painful to see these people supporting the lynching of blacks are we saying they are devils? Are they “good people”? Where the Christians, the ordinary people who supported or participated in the burning of heretics good people or devils?

    The complexity of these questions seems to be beyond Hate’s comprehension.

    Hopefully this photo will show up, it too demonstrates what I'm trying to get across to Hate.

    pbs.twimg.com


  20. by Donna on September 7, 2021 9:18 am
    One of the signs held by one of those good, upstanding bigots:

    "RACE MIXING IS COMMUNISM"

    From the Merriam-Webster Right-wing Edition:

    communism noun

    com·​mu·​nism | \ ˈkäm-yə-ˌni-zəm, -yü- \

    Definition of communism

    1 :
    a label we place on anything we hate.


  21. by HatetheSwamp on September 7, 2021 9:25 am

    If you Google images of the lynching of blacks that took place in our country, and look at the crowds of people who came to watch, you’ll see men, women, children and families.

    Here's a newsflash for you, isle. Google it, if you need to. Not one of those people voted for Trump.

    Sheeeeeeeesh!

    You just can't help proving that you think the worst of Trump supporters.


  22. by Curt_Anderson on September 7, 2021 9:40 am
    "Here's a newsflash for you, isle. Google it, if you need to. Not one of those people voted for Trump." --HtS

    Really? You know that?

    Those young bigots would be in their 70s and 80s today. I think it's highly probable that those elderly residents of Arkansas, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia and states in that region mostly voted for Trump.


  23. by HatetheSwamp on September 7, 2021 9:47 am

    We'll that's less of a certain sort of bigotry than isle practices.

    From my firsthand knowledge, most Trump supporters are very good and nice people. And, you don't know any personally.


  24. by Donna on September 7, 2021 9:57 am
    I grew up with a lot of good, nice people, but most of them were also racist.


  25. by HatetheSwamp on September 7, 2021 10:01 am

    Don't tell that, according to your reasoning, to be nice is to be racist. I know that that's absurd. But, I can't imagine what point you were making.

    Knowing me as you do, I'm happy to think you don't imagine me as a nice racist.


  26. by Curt_Anderson on September 7, 2021 10:08 am
    "From my firsthand knowledge, most Trump supporters are very good and nice people. And, you don't know any personally." --HtS

    Yes, "there were good people on both sides".

    I didn't say I don't know any Trump supporters personally. I said none of them are my friends.


  27. by Donna on September 7, 2021 10:09 am
    I think the point I was making is obvious. You can have all the appearances of a good, nice person, but not be good or nice about things that can't be immediately seen.


  28. by HatetheSwamp on September 7, 2021 10:28 am

    It's your saying "a lot." Apparently, as a child, you were veritably surrounded by evil.


  29. by HatetheSwamp on September 7, 2021 10:38 am

    Yes, "there were good people on both sides".

    That's not what I pick up here.

    Back in 016, I had a lot going on and hadn't been on the forum, probably, for close to a year by election day.

    I came back to splain that I'd actually changed my mind two days before the election and voted for Trump, essentially, puking as I did it.

    What stunned me about the mood here was not Trump hate, which I entirely understand. I myself despise Trump. I think that he's despicable.

    What absolutely floored me was your hate, Curt, and others, too, for Trump voters.

    That hate still lives here.


  30. by islander on September 7, 2021 11:36 am
    ” Those young bigots would be in their 70s and 80s today. I think it's highly probable that those elderly residents of Arkansas, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia and states in that region mostly voted for Trump.” ---Curt

    You’re correct Curt. I lived in the south for over 25 years (VA and NC). Hate simply exists in a state of denial. He seems to have a unique ability to block out anything that flies in the face of what he wants to believe (or says he believes).

    ” On early Sunday morning, President Trump retweeted a video of a white man yelling “white power” to protesters in a Florida seniors community called The Villages. Beyond its shocking reflection of the President’s current state of mind, the now-deleted Tweet also reflects a frightening observation of America in the summer of 2020:”

    I lived in FL for a while not too far from “The Villages” so I have first hand knowledge of what we are talking about.

    forbes.com


  31. by Donna on September 8, 2021 1:00 am
    Hts: Almost all Whites in our parents' generation were racist. For example, when Jackie Robinson joined the Dodgers, none of the players shook his hand. Before Jackie, Blacks weren't even allowed to play in the major leagues. That was the norm. Going back further in our nations's history, the racism was even worse.

    But you know all of this.



  32. by HatetheSwamp on September 9, 2021 5:18 am

    You’re correct Curt. I lived in the south for over 25 years (VA and NC). Hate simply exists in a state of denial. He seems to have a unique ability to block out anything that flies in the face of what he wants to believe (or says he believes). -isle

    Typical progressive woke sanctimony.

    Shame on you, isle! Both of your hate states, VA and NC, voted to elect Barack Obama President! How virulently hateful! Sheeeeeeeesh!

    You woke progressives seem to be so consumed by a need to think that everyone but you is evil.

    They ain't!


  33. by HatetheSwamp on September 9, 2021 6:18 am

    Donna,

    Perhaps it'd be useful for you to craft a more careful definition of your accusation, "racist."

    I think yours is exaggerated and self-serving...and inaccurate.

    To be KKK is racist.

    So, how many lynchings did your parents' friends initiate or attend? How about your mom and dad? Were they actually racist? How are you defining the term? How reasonably are you defining it. Again, how self servingly are you defining it?

    I remember, as a child, being raised on the border of Amish country in Pennsylvania,...there are no black Amish, in fact, so far as I know, all Amish are from Swiss or German ancestors...there were no blacks in my small town...

    I remember what my dad taught me about racial differences. In those days, many of our neighbors used the n word, and not neccesarily disparagingly. For many, the word was merely a synonym for black. For others, the word denoted prejudice, even rage.

    Dad explained to me that the n word was as dirty a swear word as the f word. He caught me saying a time or two and there was hell to pay when I said it. I got over it at an early age.

    Still, my guess is that dad had had virtually no interaction with anyone who was not white. For dad, Italians were a racial minority. Yet, in what he believed, dad was Martin Luther King, Jr..

    I remember, many years later, Evie and I were traveling with mom and dad. As we were walking from place to place, there was a group of African Americans between us and where we were going. Dad, who was about 70 at the time, obviously became extremely unsettled. Evie and I had worked with, even lived among, many of people of color by then. To see, say, a dozen or so people of a different skin color together meant nothing to us. We were startled, even amused, by dad's response, but thinking about it later, considering dad's life experience, it was understandable.

    Based on what you're posting, my guess is that you'd classify my dad among your parents' friends...a racist.

    He wasn't...by a looooooong shot.

    You need to find more nuance, more compassion, less judgment, in your thinking.


  34. by Donna on September 9, 2021 7:04 am
    So you believe that you have to be a member if the KKK in order to be considered racist?


  35. by Ponderer on September 9, 2021 7:10 am
    Conservative Republicans like pb are driven to control the language. They strive to make things out to mean what they want them to mean and not what everyone else knows them to mean.

    He wants to twist the meaning of the word racist around to such a degree that you won't be able to apply it to anyone who it actually applies to.


  36. by islander on September 9, 2021 7:16 am

    "Shame on you, isle! Both of your hate states, VA and NC, voted to elect Barack Obama President! How virulently hateful! Sheeeeeeeesh!"

    Hate, You really need to study up and pay closer attention to what's going on so that you don't keep making yourself look so foolish. We're talking about Trump and his followers, not Obama.

    Check out the linka for the election results in the counties in which "I actually lived" Bedford Cty, VA and Carteret Cty, NC. Then you'll have a better picture of what this is all about.

    Bedford Cty, VA
    President and Vice President - BEDFORD COUNTY
    Candidate Votes Percent
    Joseph R. Biden
    Democratic 12,176 25.02%
    Donald J. Trump
    Republican 35,600 73.15%

    Cartert CTY, NC

    US PRESIDENT (VOTE FOR 1)
    Precincts Reported: 26 of 26
    View Contest Details
    NAME ON BALLOT PARTY BALLOT COUNT PERCENT
    Donald J. Trump REP 30,028 70.33%
    Joseph R. Biden DEM 12,093 28.32%

    results.elections.virginia.gov
    results.elections.virginia.gov
    er.ncsbe.gov


  37. by Donna on September 9, 2021 7:35 am
    Hts: I'm curious why you posted all of that about your dad, as if I had accused him of being racist. Actually I'm curious why you're defending yourself too, as I've never accused you of being racist either.






  38. by HatetheSwamp on September 9, 2021 7:42 am

    isle,

    You are implying that Virginia and North Carolina these days would make George Wallace's Alabama seem like a haven of inclusion.

    I merely pointed out that that good people of those states are not the swine you suggested they are.

    Since you know so much, you should have KNOWN better.

    Why are you progressives so much into hyper condensed!!!!


  39. by HatetheSwamp on September 9, 2021 7:51 am

    Hts: I'm curious why you posted all of that about your dad, as if I had accused him of being racist. Actually I'm curious why you're defending yourself too, as I've never accused you of being racist either.

    Nice try, Donna. I was clear from beginning to end.

    I posted that to challenge you to define your condemnation "racist" because I think the way you use it is unjustified, thoughtless and lacking in understanding, compassion and nuance.

    I used my dad as an example of a member of the generation you condemned as a point of reference. My belief is:

    1. He was fairly typical.
    2. He was not a racist.
    3. You are condemning people of his generation who were very much like him of being precisely just that...RACISTS.

    So, I've splained again.

    Define your condemnation, racist.


  40. by Donna on September 9, 2021 8:16 am
    I said that racism was the norm, not that that label applied to ALLA Whites. If what you posted about your dad was the complete truth and you aren't leaving out anything, then there would be no reason to think that he was racist.

    So you don't think that the Dodgers who refused to shake Jackie Robinson's hand (IOW all of them) were racist?


  41. by HatetheSwamp on September 9, 2021 8:21 am

    So, how are you defining your condemnation, "racist?"



  42. by Donna on September 9, 2021 8:37 am
    So in your opinion it's up for debate whether or not someone is racist if they refuse to shake someone else's hand because of their race.

    I now suspect that there may be some things peryanent to this discussion that you left out about your dad.


  43. by Donna on September 9, 2021 8:46 am
    Actually my wife just refreshed my memory about what you wrote about your dad. I had forgotten some parts. He sounds a lot like my dad, who was one of the nicest people you'd ever want to meet... but, and I feel bad for saying this because I loved him so much, but he was racist.


  44. by Ponderer on September 9, 2021 8:47 am

    "I remember, many years later, Evie and I were traveling with mom and dad. As we were walking from place to place, there was a group of African Americans between us and where we were going. Dad, who was about 70 at the time, obviously became extremely unsettled. Evie and I had worked with, even lived among, many of people of color by then. To see, say, a dozen or so people of a different skin color together meant nothing to us. We were startled, even amused, by dad's response, but thinking about it later, considering dad's life experience, it was understandable." -pb

    I'm really sorry to be the one to inform you of this, pb, but that was a "racist" reaction to those black people from your dad.

    Having a negative reaction to a stranger based solely on their race... is exhibiting racism. And that's what he was doing.

    And the exact same scenario related by Obama about his mother's (or was it his grandmother's) reaction to passing a black person on the streets elicited cries of racism towards her from your party's most vociferous for that back then. Everything's different now?

    Racism does not require malice or hatred to be racist.


  45. by Donna on September 9, 2021 8:56 am
    That last sentence is what hts isn't getting.


  46. by HatetheSwamp on September 9, 2021 9:03 am

    Having a negative reaction to a stranger based solely on their race... is exhibiting racism. And that's what he was doing.

    Practicing omniscience again, there, po?
    Is that what happened?

    Certainly, as I said, dad was unsettled? How do you know what "solely" generated my dad's response?

    There were many possible reasons dad may have responded as he did. That it was effin "SOLELY" due to the people's race is something that we can't know...well, apparently, you think YOU can! My guess is that their race was probably at least part of what was going on, but effin "SOLELY?????

    It may be useful for you to splain to us, how you make these world record leaps and know the things you know!!!!!

    My point is, I believe, an important one. Throwing around condemnations as heinous as racism as easily as you progressives do, is, itself, heinous.

    You shouldn't do that. It's bad.


  47. by HatetheSwamp on September 9, 2021 9:09 am

    That last sentence is what hts isn't getting.

    OY!

    How could I possibly know that!!!!!

    How could I know what you mean by your condemnation "racist" without you telling me what you intend to say?

    I've been burning up this thread asking you to tell me what YOU mean when YOU condemn people with it?

    What's YOUR definition of the term?


  48. by Donna on September 9, 2021 9:48 am
    You don't need to dissect the definition of racism to know racism when you see it.

    You're in denial of your dad's racism and racism in general. You need to come to grips with that reality as I have with my own dad and family members who are long gone.

    In their defense, though, they were taught to be racist. I probably would have been racist too if I had been raised when they were. As Curt said, racism was the norm then.

    In my dad's case, I did see some if his racism kind of dissipate over the years, so I celebrate that. My mom has come a long way too.


  49. by Ponderer on September 9, 2021 10:25 am

    "Certainly, as I said, dad was unsettled? How do you know what "solely" generated my dad's response?" -pb

    Well, you said that the people's color meant nothing to you and Evie. You mentioned absolutely nothing else about those people, other than their color, that could or might have have caused anyone, including your dad, any concern about simply walking past them.

    Yet you seized upon those people's color as the thing that was likely causing your dad to become "extremely unsettled".

    So I was just going off of what you presented as how it went down.

    You were "startled, even amused" by his response. As if there wasn't anything else about those people, other than their color, that someone might have become "extremely unsettled" by.



    So you tell me what else he might have found so alarming about those black people, if it wasn't merely their color.............


  50. by HatetheSwamp on September 10, 2021 4:08 am

    No doubt, race was a factor. But, you are so quick to take the money and run.


  51. by Donna on September 10, 2021 9:29 am
    What other factors were there?


  52. by HatetheSwamp on September 10, 2021 1:28 pm

    It was a fairly large group of strangers congregating together. Also, I recall most of them being male and young, say 16 to 30. Dad had been leery about young people since my brother and I were teens.

    He'd probably have been concerned even if the people were white rednecks but they weren't. They were all black.


  53. by Ponderer on September 10, 2021 3:44 pm

    Uh huh.



  54. by Donna on September 10, 2021 9:25 pm
    LOL! You expect us to buy that?


  55. by Donna on September 11, 2021 8:24 am

    He desperately hopes we will.




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RCP: Joe's polls plummeting. Now 9.5% underwater. Once was +19!!!!!
Politics by HatetheSwamp     October 11, 2021 4:31 pm (Rating: 0.0)
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F Joe Biden chant at Luke Bryan concert (with accompaniment)
Entertainment by HatetheSwamp     October 11, 2021 3:23 pm (Rating: 0.0)
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The surprisingly long history of immunizations
History by Curt_Anderson     October 10, 2021 8:25 pm (Rating: 0.0)
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Elmer, et al: #1 reason "natural immunity" does not reliably halt the spread of Covid
Medical by Curt_Anderson     October 6, 2021 9:01 am (Rating: 0.0)
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Spineless
Politics by Donna     October 11, 2021 8:39 am (Rating: 0.0)
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Why is this allowed in a supposed democracy?
Politics by Donna     October 11, 2021 8:46 am (Rating: 0.0)
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Fox (Re) Mainstreams Donald Trump
Politics by HatetheSwamp     October 10, 2021 6:40 am (Rating: 0.0)
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More COVID deaths in our retirement community and the first in Independent Living
Health by HatetheSwamp     October 9, 2021 1:08 pm (Rating: 0.0)
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