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Trump’s lawyers make inane argument in Maine ballot disqualification.
By Curt_Anderson
January 2, 2024 3:20 pm
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Lawyers for former President Donald J. Trump filed an appeal on Tuesday seeking to overturn the ruling last week by Shenna Bellows, Maine’s secretary of state, to bar him from appearing on the state’s Republican primary ballot.

Ms. Bellows, a Democrat, “was a biased decision maker (I suppose only MAGA secretaries of state can make this decision) who should have recused herself and otherwise failed to provide lawful due process,” lawyers for Mr. Trump wrote in the 11-page appeal filed in Maine Superior Court. They further argued that she had “no legal authority to consider the federal constitutional issues (everybody should consider constitutional issues! ) presented by the challengers.”

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  1. by oldedude on January 2, 2024 7:00 pm
    Since you didn't cite, I'm sure there's a shitload more information that you didn't "bother" to put in if "any" of it is factual at all.


  2. by Curt_Anderson on January 2, 2024 7:54 pm
    Go for it…
    courts.maine.gov


  3. by Curt_Anderson on January 2, 2024 9:56 pm
    Incredible! Trump and his lawyers won't hesitate to lie no matter how preposterous. Witnesses--much of America--saw Trump take the presidential oath when he was inaugurated.

    In their appeal of Maine's ballot exclusion, Trump's attorneys wrote that Section 3 does not apply to Trump because he has never served as an “officer of the United States” and has never taken an “oath to support the Constitution.” Page 7, d. at link.
    courts.maine.gov


  4. by HatetheSwamp on January 3, 2024 3:03 am

    Splain what's inane. That second part comes straight from pb's Legal Goober #1. I know that you once clerked at the Supreme Court...but, you only clerked.


  5. by Curt_Anderson on January 3, 2024 7:11 am
    Seriously, HtS, you don’t know that officials have the legal authority—-and obligation—-to consider the federal constitutional issues?


  6. by HatetheSwamp on January 3, 2024 7:15 am

    State bureaucrats have no authority to exercise prerogatives reserved, in the Constitution and its Amendments, specifically for the Congress of the United States.


  7. by Curt_Anderson on January 3, 2024 7:32 am
    It not reserved specifically for Congress, in fact historically it has been considered and ruled at the state level.


  8. by Ponderer on January 3, 2024 7:33 am

    Curt, it's natural for any Republican to consider the Constitution as so much confetti if it's in the way of what they want. To hear them tell it, state officials are apparently barred from abiding by or even acknowledging the existence of the Constitution of the United States.



  9. by HatetheSwamp on January 3, 2024 8:17 am

    Curt,

    You say so...

    ...still...

    The 14th Amendment says what it says... and, with this Court... keehee, ha!


  10. by HatetheSwamp on January 3, 2024 8:30 am

    Curt, it's natural for any Republican to consider the Constitution as so much confetti if it's in the way of what they want. To hear them tell it, state officials are apparently barred from abiding by or even acknowledging the existence of the Constitution of the United States.

    Apparently, po, you don't understand why Americans ratified the 14th Amendment.

    And, you?, suddenly an advocate for States Rights? Can you even begin to imagine how hilarious that is to people who seek truth!!!!!?

    Baha haha ha ha, ahhhhhhhhhhh!!!!! Keehee, hoo.


  11. by oldedude on January 3, 2024 8:47 am
    "Curt, it's natural for any Republican to consider the Constitution as so much confetti if it's in the way of what they want. To hear them tell it, state officials are apparently barred from abiding by or even acknowledging the existence of the Constitution of the United States."🤣
    Actually, it's state's rights that you incessantly whine about all the time.🙄

    Although it is true they didn't trust the dims when they wrote this. And there was a battle (literally) until the 1960's over this very issue. They were forced to treat blacks like human beings, which pissed the dims off. The 13th/14th/15th Amendments were called the "carpetbagger laws."



  12. by HatetheSwamp on January 3, 2024 8:54 am

    Ba!!!!!

    Bang on, OD!!!!!

    What goes around comes around. I note, repeatedly, that what it means in the 020s to be a progressive is tragic.

    There's no better proof than this!!!!!

    Suck eggs, po!


  13. by Curt_Anderson on January 3, 2024 9:21 am
    HtS suffers from inattentional blindness. No matter how often words of the US Constitution and the amendments are quoted, he cannot see the unambiguous and obvious wording. Sad.


  14. by HatetheSwamp on January 3, 2024 9:35 am

    What words of the Constitution and its Amendments am I ignoring?


  15. by Curt_Anderson on January 3, 2024 9:42 am
    HtS,
    "or hold any office", "engaged", "given aid or comfort", "But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability", for starters.


  16. by HatetheSwamp on January 3, 2024 9:51 am

    Right, Curt. My Legal Goobers believe that the fact that the exclusion of Prez and Veep at the beginning of Section 3 is telling. That's all beyond me but, as I say, I'm not a former Supreme Court clerk.


  17. by Curt_Anderson on January 3, 2024 10:00 am
    No law degree needed to understand what "to hold any office" means.


  18. by HatetheSwamp on January 3, 2024 10:06 am

    Cept for pb's Legal Goobers.


  19. by Curt_Anderson on January 3, 2024 10:22 am
    HtS,
    Regarding my comment #3, what do the FOX/NewsMax legal pundits say about Trump's contention that he never took an "oath to support the Constitution."?



  20. by HatetheSwamp on January 3, 2024 10:27 am

    I'm not aware that he did. But, I do distrust everything coming from Shenna Bellows.


  21. by Ponderer on January 3, 2024 10:30 am

    Curt, I think that the point that Hate is trying to get across and failing miserably is that his "Legal Goobers" are the precise amount of stupid and wrong that he demands of a source.


    "Regarding my comment #3, what do the FOX/NewsMax legal pundits say about Trump's contention that he never took an "oath to support the Constitution."?" -Curt

    Duh, Curt... He had his fingers crossed!!!



  22. by HatetheSwamp on January 3, 2024 10:39 am

    What I love about this is that sometime, probably soon, either you irrational TrumpHate people, or we, will be proved right.

    For now, center the universe to your heart's content.


  23. by Curt_Anderson on January 3, 2024 10:59 am
    "I'm not aware that he did. But, I do distrust everything coming from Shenna Bellows." --HtS

    That's what I mean when I referred to your inattention blindness. Shenna Bellows didn't say it, Trump's lawyers did. I quoted verbatim Trump's legal complaint/appeal and I cited the exact page and number of where it says it.

    Trump’s lawyers argue the provision isn’t intended to apply to the president, contending that the oath for the top office in the land isn’t to “support” the Constitution but instead to “preserve, protect and defend” it. They also argue that the presidency isn’t explicitly mentioned in the amendment, only any “officer of the United States” — a legal term they contend doesn’t apply to the president.

    Trump made the opposite argument defending against his prosecution for fraud by the Manhattan District Attorney’s office, contending the case should move to federal court because the president is “an officer of the United States.” The prosecutors argued that language only applies to presidential appointees — Trump’s position here.


    It strains credulity to claim a person could preserve, protect and defend the Constitution but not support it.

    I am inclined to go with Ponderer's suggestion that Trump had his fingers crossed during the swearing in ceremony.
    apnews.com


  24. by HatetheSwamp on January 3, 2024 11:08 am

    Right.

    I don't trust it. Your SwampMedia TrumpHate cult has lost believability to many Americans, myself included. Your side lies about Trump with such regularity that it has lost all integrity.

    It's tragic that it's come to this, but y'nes earned it.


  25. by HatetheSwamp on January 3, 2024 2:00 pm

    Gang,

    pb's Legal Goober #2 on Shenna Bellows: "She's wrong."


  26. by Curt_Anderson on January 3, 2024 2:04 pm
    pb's Legal Goober #2 on Shenna Bellows: "She's wrong."
    —HtS


    I saw that earlier. Jonathan Turley merely makes an assertion without any supporting facts or historical precedence.


  27. by Ponderer on January 3, 2024 2:13 pm

    Curt, can you recall anyone on our side ever lying about Trump...? I'm afraid that I am at a loss. I mean my god, why would anyone even need to?

    Well... as we will certainly never be presented with even a single solitary example of our side ever lying about Trump, I would have to surmise that not only is the accusation not true, but also that it was intentionally made with the goal of besmirching our good names.








  28. by Curt_Anderson on January 3, 2024 2:44 pm
    Ponderer,
    There is never a reason to lie about Trump. His real foibles, crimes and stupidity don’t require exaggeration or mendacity.


  29. by HatetheSwamp on January 3, 2024 3:45 pm

    For crying out loud, you've been insisting that he led an insurrection for pret'near
    three years. Without a scintillating of evidence.


  30. by Ponderer on January 4, 2024 9:14 am

    Curt, the only people in this forum who lie about Trump are his dutiful supporters and defenders like Hate who lie about the mountains of unassailable proof and evidence that they have seen and heard with their own eyes and ears that flat-out condemns him.


  31. by Curt_Anderson on January 4, 2024 9:36 am
    Good point, Ponderer! No need to lie against Donald Trump, but some here lie for Donald Trump.


  32. by oldedude on January 4, 2024 9:51 am
    Well... as we will certainly never be presented with even a single solitary example of our side ever lying about Trump, I would have to surmise that not only is the accusation not true, but also that it was intentionally made with the goal of besmirching our good names.

    So how'bouts....
    1. Russian collusion.😱

    2. The steele Dossier. Both of these lasted almost two years. And some, even here believe it's still true...

    3. The multiple times shifty told us "there are indisputable FACTS he is guilty!" So many, they took him off prime committees.🤪

    4. feds cleared Lafayette Park of protesters in 2020 so then-President Donald Trump could hold a photo op. The Interior Department’s inspector general says police planned to clear the park so a contractor could install a fence, a decision unrelated to Trump’s walk to a nearby historic church burned in a riot.😎

    5. the “Muslim ban” that wasn’t.🤣

    6. Trump built "cages" at the border for children. They vanished when it was revealed the Obama-Biden administration built the cages and the heart-wrenching photos were from 2014.🖕

    7. The subject is ballot integrity, which the left demonizes as improper voter suppression. Joe Biden made the astonishing claim that demands for photo identification are the new Jim Crow.🙄

    I think this is a decent start.


  33. by HatetheSwamp on January 4, 2024 9:54 am

    Good work, OD. Let's let them eat their crow for now.

    Yet, I think that they're convinced that the depth of their TrumpHate justifies any and all lies.


  34. by Curt_Anderson on January 4, 2024 10:34 am
    I will write more later when I return from an errand, but for starters:

    1. Russian collusion.

    Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections


    No, ‘Russiagate’ Wasn’t the Hoax That Team Trump Claims It Was



  35. by Ponderer on January 4, 2024 10:51 am

    I think Curt's got a hold of this one.

    But yeah, there are tons of spin issues with every single one of those.


  36. by HatetheSwamp on January 4, 2024 10:52 am

    OD,

    The progressive Swampcult has never uttered a discouraging word about Donald Satan 2.0, baha. Boohoo hoohoohoohoohoohoohoo, hoo.


  37. by oldedude on January 4, 2024 11:22 am
    Using curt's citation...

    Both Barr and Durham were fairly explicit about the fact that they saw the Trump‐​Russia investigation, which culminated in the Mueller report, as inappropriate, based on “the thinnest of suspicions,” and politically motivated. Thus, the Durham inquiry had an unmistakable subtext of seeking to vindicate the Trumpian narrative of a “Russia hoax” and a “witch hunt” of which Trump and some of his associates were innocent targets. Inasmuch as it set out to do that, the Durham probe—which is apparently all over except for a final report that will presumably be produced in the next few months—is a bust.
    So what Mueller was saying that it wasn't the earth shattering thing trumpster was hoping, AND DOJ did not collect evidence legally.😱

    Trump was right: 'Russian collusion' was a hoax. Good luck regaining public's trust.
    The FBI does not dispute the special counsel's findings, but says it has already taken action and added safeguards in its investigations.

    After four years, we finally have the full 316-page report from Justice Department special counsel John Durham, and it’s a damning indictment of some of our country’s leading institutions.

    Durham said the FBI should have never launched an investigation into alleged Russian collusion with Donald Trump’s 2016 campaign, given the slim evidence.

    That is a huge win for Trump, who has for years called out his unfair treatment by the FBI – and a media all too willing to find blame in the former president’s actions.

    The investigation into the "collusion" clouded Trump’s entire presidency, and Democrats harnessed the tale to paint Trump as an illegitimate president.



    Hillary Clinton personally approved plan to share Trump-Russia allegation with the press in 2016, campaign manager says
    The testimony came in the criminal trial of Clinton campaign lawyer Michael Sussmann, who is being prosecuted by the Trump-era special counsel John Durham. Durham is investigating potential misconduct tied to the FBI’s Trump-Russia probe. The trial has shed light on the dark arts of political opposition research – and how campaigns dig up dirt and plant stories in the press.

    Federal investigators ultimately concluded there weren’t any improper Trump-Alfa cyber links.

    In addition to going to the FBI, Sussmann provided the technical internet data to a reporter from The New York Times, who was working on a story that the FBI spiked after learning about it from Sussmann. A staffer from Fusion GPS, an opposition research firm hired by the Clinton campaign, testified that she met with a Slate reporter to discuss the Trump-Alfa allegations.

    The special counsel team has previously said that the Clinton campaign’s media blitz around the Slate story “is the very culmination of Mr. Sussmann’s work and strategy,” to allegedly gin up news coverage about the Trump-Alfa allegations and then get the FBI to start an investigation.

    To paraphrase. "Russiagate" is an unproved association of trumpster to Alpha Bank, Headquartered in Russia.

    Italics
    cato.org
    usatoday.com
    cnn.com


  38. by Curt_Anderson on January 4, 2024 12:37 pm
    I'm back...

    1. Russian collusion.

    Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections


    No, ‘Russiagate’ Wasn’t the Hoax That Team Trump Claims It Was


    2. The steele Dossier.
    Did the F.B.I. open the investigation because of the dossier? No.
    Trump and his allies have insinuated that the F.B.I. based the Russia investigation on the dossier. But when counterintelligence agents launched the effort on July 30, 2016, they did not yet know about the dossier.

    Did investigators rely on the dossier for their findings?
    No.

    The Mueller report does not present claims from the dossier as evidence, and many of the issues focused on by investigators did not come up in the dossier.
    The dossier makes no mention, for example, of a July 2016 meeting at Trump Tower between Russians and senior campaign officials including Donald Trump Jr., who eagerly accepted the request for a meeting after being told they were bringing dirt on Mrs. Clinton.

    Steele dossier began as Republican project
    The document was written by Steele, a British MI6 agent, at the behest of Fusion GPS, which had been hired initially by conservative Republicans seeking the skinny on Trump.

    3. The multiple times shifty told us "there are indisputable FACTS he is guilty!"
    That's an opinion I share, but let's wait for the courts decide on his guilt or innocence.

    4. feds cleared Lafayette Park of protesters in 2020 so then-President Donald Trump could hold a photo op.

    Fact check: five false or misleading claims Trump and his allies make about the response to the protests

    Trump and others said no tear gas was used, though police acknowledged dispersing protesters using a chemical riot control agent that the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says is sometimes referred to as tear gas.
    Trump also claimed that he spent time in a bunker under the White House during the daytime to do an “inspection.” Numerous news outlets, including CNN, The New York Times and Fox News, reported that he was taken to the bunker for security reasons on Friday night.

    5. the “Muslim ban” that wasn’t.

    Executive Order 13769, titled Protecting the Nation from Foreign Terrorist Entry into the United States, labeled the "Muslim ban" by Donald Trump and his supporters

    [I am] calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on. ---Donald Trump

    6. Trump built "cages" at the border for children.
    It’s true that Obama built the cages at the border. But Trump’s ‘zero tolerance’ immigration policy had no precedent.
    Joe Biden responded by stating, correctly, that the Obama administration did not systematically separate parents from their children at the border, a practice that generated such backlash that the first lady and Trump’s daughter Ivanka joined the groundswell of people who pressured him to end it.
    “Let’s talk about what we’re talking about,” Biden said. “What happened? Parents were ripped — their kids were ripped from their arms and separated and now they cannot find over 500 sets of those parents and those kids are alone. Nowhere to go. Nowhere to go. It’s criminal. It’s criminal.”

    7. The subject is ballot integrity, which the left demonizes as improper voter suppression.
    ID Laws as Voter Suppression
    Not only are voter photo ID laws ineffective as means of combating voter fraud, but their main impact is that they promote voter suppression.
    The negative impact of strict voter ID laws is not limited to Black Americans; other marginalized populations also face disproportionate barriers to voting because of these laws. Native American communities, low-income, elderly, and rural voters are disproportionately affected by voter photo ID laws. This is partially because photo IDs aren’t as common as many people assume: 18% of all citizens over the age of 65, 16% of Latino voters, 25% of Black voters, and 15% of low-income Americans lack acceptable photo ID.


  39. by HatetheSwamp on January 4, 2024 12:48 pm

    You're a hoot, Curt. I only wish you were trying to be funny.


  40. by Ponderer on January 4, 2024 12:52 pm

    Thanks, Curt.

    They don't seem to get that we're not saying that we haven't said tremendously horrible things about Trump. We're saying that we haven't lied about Trump. And we haven't.


  41. by oldedude on January 4, 2024 2:15 pm
    Trump and his allies have insinuated that the F.B.I. based the Russia investigation on the dossier. But when counterintelligence agents launched the effort on July 30, 2016, they did not yet know about the dossier.
    "Insinuated" is a pretty vague word. It's an "opinion," and generally a passive-aggressive way of spreading rumors. Why did the DOJ/IN folks initiate the "investigation?" We do know the whole issue was to stop trumpster from holding a political office initiated by the dims. The dims continued this course throughout the entirety of trumpsters four years. That's where shifty comes in. He was briefed on the dossier and was convinced it was real. Until it wasn't. Trumpster has never been charged with anything in the dossier, although the dims said they had Ironclad "evidence" referencing the dossier. To say no one used it, is a fantasy.

    Trump and others said no tear gas was used, though police acknowledged dispersing protesters using a chemical riot control agent that the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says is sometimes referred to as tear gas.
    I guess this borders completely on naive and unprepared, and trusting someone not giving you the whole story. Period. Where was the gas dispersed? What time? was it close to where trumpster was? Have you ever seen the area around the whitehouse? It could be a block away and no one would know it was being done.

    Trump also claimed that he spent time in a bunker under the White House during the daytime to do an “inspection.” Numerous news outlets, including CNN, The New York Times and Fox News, reported that he was taken to the bunker for security reasons on Friday night.
    This is an "and so?" Maybe he was told he needed to go down. He looks at the other folks around him and says "Okay, we'll call it an "inspection." WTF cares? This is really pulling at strawmen.

    5. the “Muslim ban” that wasn’t.
    SCOTUS looked at the EO. THEY said it wasn't racially motivated. Done. State Department (yes, they know more than we do about WTF is going on in the world), made that point. Done.


    6. Trump built "cages" at the border for children.
    They were Obama's/Biden's cages. Trump was told that the "adults" were just bringing the children as baggage. He attempted to correct that by separating the children from those without any DNA matching at all. Only the most stupid of people actually believe (especially now) the twelve kids coming in with one or two military age males are actually their parents. Again, you're welcoming the rape trees, willfully and with knowledge that it happens. And yes, you and pedojoe are two pees in a pod.

    Not only are voter photo ID laws ineffective as means of combating voter fraud, but their main impact is that they promote voter suppression.
    The negative impact of strict voter ID laws is not limited to Black Americans; other marginalized populations also face disproportionate barriers to voting because of these laws. Native American communities, low-income, elderly, and rural voters are disproportionately affected by voter photo ID laws. This is partially because photo IDs aren’t as common as many people assume: 18% of all citizens over the age of 65, 16% of Latino voters, 25% of Black voters, and 15% of low-income Americans lack acceptable photo ID.


    Like I've said before. This is bullshit. If you don't have an ID, you can't open a bank account. You can't get a job. You can't collect social security, medicare, medicaid, or welfare. You also can't have a credit card, file taxes, or engage with the government on almost any level. So if you're homeless, maybe. While you're in prison? maybe. If you have Alzheimer's? Maybe? If you're a drug dealer, sex slave, or sex slave owner, you won't. In most states, you can get a free ID. And most of your references are from about 2013-12016. I know CO and FL get people in for ID's free. Also, are you including illegals to vote? That's a pretty good percentage. In FY 2023, Border Patrol agents at the Southwest border apprehended just over 1.496 million illegal migrants whom it processed under the INA (in lieu of expulsion under Title 42). Just 177,630 of them — 11.9 percent of the total — were processed for expedited removal.

    What you also didn't mention is the voter laws in GA the sheep whined about were more liberal than what they were proposing. And they had shorter lines and a better availability of IDs.

    So. A question. Most "civilized" countries have a "National ID Card." This card doesn't replace a Driver's license, but it's your healthcare card, voter card, taxID number, and so many other things wrapped up in a card. It does not replace a Passport (in some cases) The US has the ability to use a card (for North America, and a passport for the rest of the world. We could use that as a "National ID Card." What do you think about that?
    cis.org
    travel.state.gov


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