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Unvaccinated healthcare workers threaten not to infect patients.

By Curt Anderson
July 29, 2021 1:17 pm
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WaPo: Biden’s planned vaccine rule meets resistance from large groups of federal workers
"In order for everyone to feel safe and welcome in their workplaces, vaccinations must be negotiated between employers and workers, not coerced," said the union’s president, Randi Weingarten, typically a prominent liberal ally. "We believe strongly that everyone should get vaccinated unless they have a medical or religious exception, and that this should be a mandatory subject of negotiation for employers to keep their employees safe and build trust. But healthcare professionals are concerned that mandating vaccines outside contract negotiation will only result in more people leaving the bedside at a time when staffing levels are already low from the trauma of the past year."

So the unvaccinated healthcare "professionals" might leave patients' bedsides? Good! Even if they weren't contagious who wants to be attended by a nurse or doctor who doesn't believe in vaccinations or the communicability of viruses?

So far the administration and state and local government have done everything they can to get the country vaccinated. They made the vaccines widely available and free. They advertised vaccine efficacy and safety. They offered incentives including scholarships and lotteries. The private sector offered free beer and admission to concerts and more. Celebrities and others have cajoled people to get the vaccine. Now the time has come for government and private employers to make vaccination or regular Covid testing a condition of employment.

The unvaccinated are highly protective of their own supposed rights at the expense of the rights of others. The unvaccinated are unconcerned about the rights of children under twelve, the rights of the immunocompromised and the rights of the small percent of vaccinated people who are subject to breakthrough cases not to be infected with a deadly virus.





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  1. by Curt Anderson on August 5, 2021 9:45 pm
    I am totally unsurprised that this and probably other unions are rethinking their kneejerk opposition to vaccination or Covid testing requirements (not a mandate, btw). --CA



    (Politico)The head of the American Federation of Teachers signaled on Thursday the powerful union is rethinking its opposition to Covid-19 vaccine mandates for educators.

    “We’re considering all alternatives, including looking at vaccine mandates,” Randi Weingarten told POLITICO in an interview, a little more than a week after the union president said vaccinations should be negotiated between employers and workers but “not coerced.”
    politico.com


  2. by islander on August 6, 2021 6:21 am

    "Maine's two largest hospital systems announced they would require staff to get the COVID-19 vaccine"

    This makes perfect sense and apparently they do have the right to fire employees who refuse to be vaccinated.
    newscentermaine.com


  3. by HatetheSwamp on August 6, 2021 6:48 am

    You do know that none of the vaccines have received FDA approval, ain't?


  4. by islander on August 6, 2021 7:07 am

    You do know that none of the vaccines have received FDA approval, ain't?

    And…As far as your understanding of this goes, that means what to you?

    But to answer your question, of course the more informed among know that. We also fully understand what it means in this case and why it’ll be about a month before the FDA gives its official approval. We also know that in fact it is the unvaccinated that are being hospitalized and dying.


  5. by HatetheSwamp on August 6, 2021 7:29 am

    isle,

    It means that I have a level compassion for people who are hesitant about getting the vaccine.

    I'm sure see those class action law suit commercials for people who have been harmed, even killed, by drugs which received full FDA approval.

    And, I know that, if you're less than 60 years old, the chance you'll die from COVID is minute, particularly with advances in treatment.


  6. by islander on August 6, 2021 8:00 am

    It means that I have a level compassion for people who are hesitant about getting the vaccine.

    The fact that full approval by the FDA is a little under a month away means, at least to you, that you have a level of compassion for people who refuse to be vaccinated? C’mon pb give me a break!

    My level of compassion is infinitely higher for the families and loved ones of the 600,000 + who have died and who will die from Covid-19 than it is for those who refused to be vaccinated because it hasn’t yet been fully approved by the FDA. And I have virtually no compassion for those who refuse to be vaccinated because of their anti-government position.


  7. by HatetheSwamp on August 6, 2021 8:04 am

    My level of compassion is infinitely higher for the families and loved ones of the 600,000 + who have died and who will die from Covid-19 than it is for those who refused to be vaccinated because it hasn’t yet been fully approved by the FDA. And I have virtually no compassion for those who refuse to be vaccinated because of their anti-government position.

    Thanks for caring about my family and me.

    One thing I think that I have learned from this is that people who respect the freedom of others are less judgmental than those who don't.


  8. by islander on August 6, 2021 8:49 am

    ”One thing I think that I have learned from this is that people who respect the freedom of others are less judgmental than those who don't.”

    That’s what you “learned” ! You’re such a phony pb, and oh so sanctimonious !! LoL

    D’ya know another “freedom of others” I have little respect for? People who think they should be free to drive even if they are drunk, claiming that if they crash into a tree they are willing to take that risk and accept the consequences so it’s none of our business!


  9. by Donna on August 6, 2021 9:36 am
    It's a mistake to only focus on COVID deaths. Many people who survive COVID infections have chronic problems that severely impact their quality of life (aka longhaulers).


  10. by HatetheSwamp on August 6, 2021 11:01 am

    D’ya know another “freedom of others” I have little respect for? People who think they should be free to drive even if they are drunk, claiming that if they crash into a tree they are willing to take that risk and accept the consequences so it’s none of our business!

    Well, you and I do agree about something, then.


  11. by HatetheSwamp on August 6, 2021 11:06 am

    It's a mistake to only focus on COVID deaths. Many people who survive COVID infections have chronic problems that severely impact their quality of life (aka longhaulers). Donna

    There's no doubt that those issues compound the problem. My guess is that, as treatments become more effective, treatments for those chronic problems will become more effective.

    This is all the more reason to take care for yourself in avoiding the virus.


  12. by islander on August 6, 2021 11:52 am

    ”Well, you and I do agree about something, then.”

    You still don’t get it, or, what I think is more likely, you refuse to acknowledge it.

    Why are you willing to limit the drunken guy’s right to drive on a public highway? My bet is it’s because he is endangering the safety of others, not just his own…Same as an unvaccinated healthcare worker who is likely to come in contact with immunocompromised patients and others, thus endangering their safety.

    A person can get drunk as a skunk if he or she wants to…As long as the person stays at home and doesn’t drive on a public highway or endanger others. A person can also refuse to get vaccinated as long as the person doesn’t put him or her self in a position where that person could spread the virus to others. That’s why a hospital has every right to require its employees to be vaccinated.


  13. by HatetheSwamp on August 6, 2021 2:12 pm

    Thing is, isle, at this point, a person who didn't get a flu shot is essentially as dangerous to others as a person who didn't get the HERETOFORE UNAPPROVED COVID VACCINE.

    This is going nowhere.


  14. by islander on August 6, 2021 2:45 pm
    ”Thing is, isle, at this point, a person who didn't get a flu shot is essentially as dangerous to others as a person who didn't get the HERETOFORE UNAPPROVED COVID VACCINE.”

    You are among the dangerously uninformed, pb, and whether you know it or not, you are spreading misinformation.

    The Covid-19 vaccine is approved. “On December 11, 2020, the FDA issued an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) for the use of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine. On December 18, 2020, the FDA issued an EUA for the use of the Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine. And on February 27, 2021 the FDA issued an EUA for the use of the Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine.”

    The “flu” that you are talking about is nowhere near as virulent as Covid-19 which is why the average death rate is so much less.
    “Flu: The World Health Organization estimates that 290,000 to 650,000 people die of flu-related causes every year worldwide.

    "The COVID-19 situation is changing rapidly. Since this disease is caused by a new virus, the vast majority of people do not yet have immunity to it. Doctors and scientists are working to estimate the mortality rate of COVID-19, but at present, it is thought to be substantially higher (possibly 10 times or more) than that of most strains of the flu."

    *This information comes from the Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases map developed by the Johns Hopkins Center for Systems Science and Engineering.”

    fda.gov
    hopkinsmedicine.org


  15. by Donna on August 6, 2021 3:44 pm
    I've heard some people equate Emergency Use Authorization with Experimental Authorization which is disinfo. A drug has to pass more criteria to be authorized for emergency use than it does to be authorized for experimental use.


  16. by HatetheSwamp on August 7, 2021 4:54 am

    "The COVID-19 situation is changing rapidly. Since this disease is caused by a new virus, the vast majority of people do not yet have immunity to it. Doctors and scientists are working to estimate the mortality rate of COVID-19, but at present, it is thought to be substantially higher (possibly 10 times or more) than that of most strains of the flu."

    I think that you, like many people who are woke, are suffering from hysteria over COVID.

    Physicians and scientists are new to this disease and, still, the COVID death rates in the US hover, day to day, at about a half of one per cent.

    I'm not minimizing the threat of COVID. YOU, and so many others, can't stop screaming to the rest of the world that the sky is falling.

    Gimme a break, isle. Take responsibility for yourself. Keep your vaccine up to date. (I've assumed, from the beginning, that we'll be taking yearly COVID shots, just like the flu shot. And, take it to the bank, I'll get mine.) Wear a mask when you're in confined places in public. Get tested if you have reason to think that you might have COVID.

    And, then, isle, live life.

    And, for cryin out loud, allow the rest of us to have our life, too.

    Already, among people who live wisely and cautiously with COVID, COVID is no more serious a threat than the flu. That is just, very seriously, the plain truth.


  17. by islander on August 7, 2021 6:46 am

    pb/hst, I have no idea what your idea of living wisely and cautiously could be, but to those among us who are more informed than you with regard to this virus, it means getting vaccinated and wearing a mask indoors in public places or places where we are likely to come in close contact with unvaccinated people. This is what we need to get across to those who refuse to live wisely.

    Those people who are NOT living wisely are the anti-vaxxers and those who refuse to wear a mask. They are not only a danger to themselves but are a danger to others including many of those who are living wisely, so we will continue to work to get the truth out there. This is not as you say “hysteria over Covid”. And we are beginning to get that message out there (vaccination numbers are rising again) despite your and others like you who are trying to minimize the danger this virus poses.

    And your repeated assertion that this extremely virulent virus is no more of a threat than the ordinary influenza is not only an ignorant and false assertion but a dangerous one as well since there are many people who want to and will believe you (confirmation bias) and will continue to refuse to be vaccinated and/or wear a mask.

    As far as your assertion that Covid-19 is “no more serious a threat than the flu”…

    The CDC estimates that an average of 36,000 people (in our country) died of the flu each year over the past decade. Do your own math, multiply 10 (yrs)x 36,000 and compare your answer with the number who have died from Covid-19 so far… 617,000…


  18. by Donna on August 7, 2021 8:04 am
    Also, there is no longhauler syndrome with the flu. People who downplay the dangers of COVID-19 never take longhauler syndrome into account.


  19. by Donna on August 7, 2021 8:28 am
    Lakeland Florida Clinic for COVID-19 Long Haulers has 6 Month Wait List for New Patients (link below)


    wfla.com


  20. by HatetheSwamp on August 8, 2021 4:06 am

    Lakeland Florida Clinic for COVID-19 Long Haulers has 6 Month Wait List for New Patients.

    Donna (and isle),

    Please don't misunderstand. My mom DIED from COVID. A friend of ours contracted it amost exactly a year ago and still suffers some symptoms. I know it's bad. I always do everything I can to avoid it.

    But, the truth is that a large number of the people who catch COVID show no symptoms EVER, and, if you're younger than 60, the chance that you'll die from it is almost zero.

    And, and here's the thing. This is the USA. Believing that a citizen's rights are inalienable...granted by God...as we always have, is risky. Even dangerous. But, that belief is at the core of what makes this nation unique.

    Especially you, isle, are revealing yourself not to want to live in the way of the USA.

    Individual freedom is crucial to who we are. Presuming that, at your whim, the freedom of others can be restricted is anti American.

    I love how joyfully you anoint yourself to be "informed," isle. But, in the ways of America, you ain't.


  21. by islander on August 8, 2021 5:13 am

    ”But, the truth is that a large number of the people who catch COVID show no symptoms EVER, and, if you're younger than 60, the chance that you'll die from it is almost zero”

    What you are not acknowledging is that using percentages in the way you are is why you are able to dismiss with a wave of the hand the fact that this disease has killed 617,000 Americans. The number 1% for instance doesn’t sound like much when talking about 1% of a small number. If you are talking about 10 people and 1% will probably die tomorrow how many will die? The population of our country is about three hundred and thirty million. One percent of our population is 3,300,000. That’s three MILLION three hundred thousand people. Now 1% takes on a whole new meaning.

    Your “almost zero” dismisses the deaths of over 126,000 thousand people “under the age of 65”. Do you know what the average yearly deaths from motor vehicles is? It’s about 38,000 and car manufactures are required by law to meet certain safety standards and you are required to wear a seatbelt.

    The CDC guidelines and private company mandates for vaccines and masks have nothing to do with our government taking away your freedom. That’s a straw man argument.


  22. by HatetheSwamp on August 8, 2021 6:50 am

    isle,

    As of August 2021, with advances in therapeutics, the threat of COVID is no longer what it was.

    How many times do I have to acknowledge to you that COVID is still serious. How often do I need to repeat that, to this day, I take every precaution I can to avoid COVID. How often do I have to repeat my belief in Trump's vaccines!!!!!

    Yet, it's becoming obvious to me that, in your heart, you are a fascist who lives for the interference of Big Brother in the lives of citizens and who has no regard for the freedom of others.

    We agree about COVID. We disagree about freedom.


  23. by Curt Anderson on August 8, 2021 8:54 am
    There is ONE therapeutic that has FDA approval and has shown any sort of efficacy. The World Health Organization recommended against using remdesivir. Based on a global randomized trial, they concluded that remdesivir had little to no effect on hospitalized patients with Covid-19.

    A five-day course of remdesivir costs as much as $3,120. Covid patients have lengthy hospital stays. Which brings us to the question, should we the vaccinated be footing the the bill for the unvaccinated whether as taxpayers or through higher insurance rates?


  24. by HatetheSwamp on August 8, 2021 9:34 am
    Now, c'mon Curt, gimme a break. There are therapeutic practices that have been developed that have been effective.

    Far fewer than 1% of people who test positive for COVID-19 die in the US these days.

    The stark truth is that ours is a representative republic which grants outrageous freedoms to all of its citizens...

    ...for better and for worse.


  25. by Curt Anderson on August 8, 2021 11:13 am
    Ok, HtS, give me the names of ANY therapeutics that have been FDA and proven effective in relieving COVID symptoms. Maybe ask your well-read, urbane and thoughtful friend who has concerns about COVID vaccines.


  26. by islander on August 8, 2021 12:18 pm

    "The stark truth is that ours is a representative republic which grants outrageous freedoms to all of its citizens..."

    HtS, Can you complete your thought please?

    That the CDC has the freedom to issue guidelines and private companies have the right to enforce mandates for vaccines and masks is not something I think most of us consider “outrageous freedoms” granted to them by our representative republic .





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