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Musk suspends journalists from Twitter, claims ‘assassination’ danger

By Curt_Anderson
December 15, 2022 9:36 pm
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Free speech advocate...HA!

(WaPo)Company executives alleged that the more than half a dozen reporters endangered Twitter’s owner by sharing his location. But a review of their tweets shows no evidence of it.

Twitter suspended the accounts of more than half a dozen journalists from CNN, the New York Times, The Washington Post and other outlets Thursday evening, as company owner Elon Musk accused the reporters of posting “basically assassination coordinates” for him and his family.

Yet none of the tweets from suspended reporters that The Post has reviewed revealed the location of Musk or his family.

Rep. Lori Trahan (D-Mass) wrote on Twitter Thursday night that her staff had met that same day with Twitter officials. "They told us that they’re not going to retaliate against independent journalists or researchers who publish criticisms of the platform. Less than 12 hours later, multiple technology reporters have been suspended."

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by Donna on December 15, 2022 11:26 pm

Seriously, what's going on with Elon? He gets nuttier every day. Maybe he has a brain tumor or some kind of degenerative brain disease.

by HatetheSwamp on December 16, 2022 5:09 am

Bahahahahahahahahahaha, there, Donna. How nutty was Jack Dempsey when Twitter squelched the Biden Crime Family laptop story? Give us some context.

by Donna on December 16, 2022 7:38 am

Tesla's stock price has been plummeting too. He seems to be experiencing a mental collapse.

by Curt_Anderson on December 16, 2022 9:17 am
Not publishing, a potentially scandalous story, which could adversely affect an election that the website, Twitter, could not confirm and verify is not crazy. The Wall Street journal among other news sites made the same decision. Even some of the New York post top reporters didn’t want to touch that story.

Arbitrarily banning journalists over a paranoid and unfounded fear is crazy. Twitter needs high profile journalists more than high profile journalists need Twitter. CNN who’s had at least one of the reporters kicked off of Twitter are in the process of “reevaluating their relationship with Twitter”.

by HatetheSwamp on December 16, 2022 10:19 am

Just curious, Curt. What makes you think it was arbitrary?

by Curt_Anderson on December 16, 2022 11:39 am
How is it not arbitrary, HtS?

ar·bi·trar·y
/ˈärbəˌtrerē/
adjective
* based on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system.
* (of power or a ruling body) unrestrained and autocratic in the use of authority.

by HatetheSwamp on December 16, 2022 11:51 am

Yeah. But, other than the whining you're getting from the progressive SwampMedia, why do you suppose it's based on his personal whim?

pb swears! Conservatives are thinking of Musk as the Messiah. You lot are sure he's the antichrist. Sheeeeeeeeeeeesh!

by Curt_Anderson on December 16, 2022 12:04 pm
HtS,
You are being obtuse. The banned journalists didn't violate any existing Twitter rules. Musk just decided to kick them off as if by royal edict. Of course Musk can run his site as capriciously and arbitrarily as he wants. It's his toy.

But, Elon, spare us all from your self-puffery of being a free speech champion.

by HatetheSwamp on December 16, 2022 12:11 pm

The banned journalists didn't violate any existing Twitter rules.

My guess is that your source for this assertion comes from the progressive SwampMedia. I was listening to Clay and Buck today. Former CIA agent, Buck, claims that Musk's action was certainly well justified.

Please enlighten me if there's an authoritative first-hand reason for your opinion.

by Curt_Anderson on December 16, 2022 12:40 pm
Is this source acceptable to you?
nypost-com.cdn.ampproject.org

by HatetheSwamp on December 16, 2022 12:48 pm

You're truly shameless, Curt!

Drudge? Now Drudge is authoritative for you!!!!!?

by Curt_Anderson on December 16, 2022 12:56 pm
Yes, Drudge as reported by NY Post. You wanted something “un-swampy” in other words you discount the legitimate news media like WaPo, CNN, NY Times, etc.

by oldedude on December 16, 2022 1:09 pm
"* based on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system.
* (of power or a ruling body) unrestrained and autocratic in the use of authority."
You mean the personal "whim" of being bribed and coerced?

by HatetheSwamp on December 16, 2022 1:17 pm

Well, it's not progressive SwampMedia. pb was hoping that you'd come up with real first-hand information.

FYI, I opened your post while listening to Fox News during the top of the hour news break during the radio program hosted by the Guy you'd never heard of. Fox confirmed that the suspensions were not arbitrary...and not connected to the reporters' criticism of Musk. I have to say that I'm enjoying the coverage of this story by NPR, CNN, CNBC. Business Insider. The venom is laughable.

I just love how you Blue MAGAs scoffed at Twitter’s abuses under the old regime. Musk is saying he acted to protect his family's safety.

Musk ain't the Messiah. He ain't the Antichrist neither.

But, clearly, this wasn't "arbitrary." He didn't place reporters' photos on this wall, put on a blindfold and toss darts. Bahahahahahahahahahaha!

by oldedude on December 16, 2022 1:22 pm
This is something right out of the CCP/GRU/ etc...

"Documents Reveal Secret Twitter Portal US Government Used to Censor COVID-19 Content"

New documents reveal how the United States government used a secret Twitter portal to censor COVID-19 content that contradicted the government’s narrative.

In its ongoing probe into Twitter’s censorship practices, America First Legal has obtained a fourth set of documents (pdf) exposing a secret Twitter portal, which U.S. government officials used to censor dissenting COVID-19 views in violation of the First Amendment. It’s a revelation Elon Musk described as “extremely concerning.”

The documents expose how the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) coordinated with companies such as Mafindo to censor what the Biden administration deemed as “disinformation.” Mafindo—an Indonesia-based fact-checking company that is partnered with Facebook—is funded by Google, which is also known to have censored searches for keywords like coronavirus, and COVID-19 as well as blocking information regarding adverse reactions and deaths caused by COVID-19 vaccines.

Removed Content
Posts that Facebook would delete—which the CDC or any other public health authority deemed as “false and likely to contribute to imminent violence of physical harm”—included:

Claims that COVID-19 is no more dangerous than the common flu or cold.
Claims that COVID-19 cannot be transmitted in certain climates, weather conditions, or locations.
Claims that for the average person, something can guarantee prevention from getting COVID-19 or can guarantee recovery from COVID-19 before such a cure or prevention has been approved.
Claims that COVID-19 tests cause cancer.
Claims about the availability or existence of COVID-19 vaccines.
Claims about the safety or serious side effects of COVID-19 vaccines.
Claims about the efficacy of COVID-19 vaccines.
Claims about how the COVID-19 vaccine was developed or its ingredients.
Claims involving conspiracy theories about COVID-19 vaccines or vaccine programs.
Content deemed to have been “debunked” included among other things, “vaccines cause the disease against which they meant to protect, or cause the person to be more likely to get the disease,” that “natural immunity is safer than vaccine acquired immunity,” and “vaccines are not effective to prevent the disease against what they purport to protect.”

Repeat offenders would face restrictions “including (but not limited to) reduced distribution, removal from recommendations” or removal from the site.

These punishments were conducted despite evidence that the vaccines do not prevent transmission, that vaccines cause adverse effects and even death, and that more vaccinated people are now dying than unvaccinated. Even the CDC admitted in June that vaccinated people could contract the disease again.
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ftp.aflegal.org

by Curt_Anderson on December 16, 2022 1:36 pm
OD, in response to your "whims" comment...

Bari Weiss
@bariweiss
The old regime at Twitter governed by its own whims and biases and it sure looks like the new regime has the same problem. I oppose it in both cases. And I think those journalists who were reporting on a story of public importance should be reinstated.
8:25 AM · Dec 16, 2022

HtS,
"Musk claimed the journalists allegedly violated the platform’s new policy not to share real-time location information when they posted "assassination coordinates." ---FOX News Notice the words "claimed" and "allegedly". That means even FOX has its doubts about Musk.

twitter.com
foxnews.com

by Curt_Anderson on December 16, 2022 3:00 pm

"Yeah. But, other than the whining you're getting from the progressive SwampMedia, why do you suppose it's based on his personal whim?" ---HTS

Well, there is this guy...

twitter.com

by HatetheSwamp on December 16, 2022 3:12 pm

So far as I know, Musk hasn't BANNED anyone like the fascists who banned OrangeMan.

by Curt_Anderson on December 16, 2022 3:23 pm
Do you mean besides the guy who Musk said last week in his tweet above that he would not ban but banned anyway?

Are you sure? Do you know for a fact that Trump was the only person who had their Twitter account suspended for violating Twitter's rules against inciting and glorifying violence? Trump was banned on January 9th, 2021 after several warnings.

“After close review of recent Tweets from the @realDonaldTrump account and the context around them we have permanently suspended the account due to the risk of further incitement of violence,” Twitter said.

“In the context of horrific events this week, we made it clear on Wednesday that additional violations of the Twitter Rules would potentially result in this very course of action.”

by HatetheSwamp on December 16, 2022 4:22 pm

I doubt I suggested that Trump was the only tweeter banned. The fascists banned a few noted physicians and scientists over Big Brother Covid orthodoxy.

by oldedude on December 16, 2022 5:48 pm
"Notice the words "claimed" and "allegedly". That means even FOX has its doubts about Musk."

That's news speak required by lawyers. Until someone is proven of a crime, you can't say they did it. The work arounds are "claimed" and "allegedly." You didn't know that? Even in mass shootings and the guy (person, but generally is a male except in terrorist homicides, then could be either) is caught red-handed, they're the "alleged" shooter/murderer. John Wayne Gacy was the "alleged" murderer until found guilty in court.

by Donna on December 17, 2022 7:16 am

"...more vaccinated people are dying than unvaccinated"

Interesting explanations as to why at the link below.

kff.org

by HatetheSwamp on December 17, 2022 7:29 am

The fact is that "that feckless dementia-ridden piece of crap" lied to us about the vaccine as a panacea. I participated in the vaccine scam until I found out that my aneurysm may have been caused by it. I have put all of my faith and trust in Big Brother. The Covid thing gives me more reason than ever to be glad.

by Donna on December 17, 2022 7:31 am

Btw, if you haven't received the new bivalent COVID booster, I urge my fellow geezers here to get it because the old COVID vaccines are ineffective against the omicron variant, and almost all COVID deaths are among the geezer demographic.

From the kp article (link in my previous post here):

"...only 14% of adults overall and 31% of older adults (65 years and older) have received the latest bivalent boosters. The CDC data show that about 95% of adults who died from COVID-19 in 2022 in these jurisdictions were over age 50, and about 8 in 10 were age 65 or older, underscoring the need for older adults to stay up-to-date on recommended booster shots."

by HatetheSwamp on December 17, 2022 7:38 am

We're going to be snowbirding after Christmas. I will probably get my booster then. Evie probably won't get boosted. She's had strong reactions.

by Curt_Anderson on December 17, 2022 10:42 am
“ That's news speak required by lawyers. Until someone is proven of a crime, you can't say they did it. ”. —OD

Banning people from his website is not a crime. Musk not being accused of a crime. The weasel words being used are not because the lawyers required them. It’s because of the reporter, and the editor had some doubts, and could not confirm the claim musk made.

If you made some unsubstantiated claim about your generous philanthropic nature, people might say OD allegedly dropped a $1000 bill into the Salvation Army bucket.

————————————
We have some friends who are in their 70s, he’s a doctor, they are heading to Mexico for a vacation. He made sure they both got their bivalent shots and are completely up-to-date on all of their vaccinations. He said it takes nine days for the COVID vaccines to kick in so they got their shots a while ago because he knew that he’d be in contact with a lot of people in airports etc.

HtS, it’s up to you two, but I’d rather have a reaction to the vaccination even an adverse reaction, than have Covid at our age. Especially with pre-existing conditions.

by HatetheSwamp on December 17, 2022 10:56 am

I understand. But, her body, her choice.

by oldedude on December 17, 2022 11:28 am
"Banning people from his website is not a crime. Musk not being accused of a crime. The weasel words being used are not because the lawyers required them. It’s because of the reporter, and the editor had some doubts, and could not confirm the claim musk made."

I adamantly disagree and know this is THE standard of the "politically correct" method of accusing someone. You may hate or despise him, that doesn't change the answer. Your hatred is becoming extremely evident.

I understand. But, her body, her choice.
Lead, you know that can ONLY be used for the abortion issue. The left has voided all other uses of that thought and phrase.

by Curt_Anderson on December 17, 2022 12:57 pm
"I adamantly disagree and know this [using words like "alleged"] is THE standard of the "politically correct" method of accusing someone." ---OD

Actually, I think we agree. FOX used the words "claimed" and "allegedly". They are essentially accusing him of making stuff up without explicitly calling him a liar.

by islander on December 17, 2022 2:00 pm

Getting back to the opening post, like the WAPO said:

It’s not complicated: Elon can do whatever he wants with Twitter, just as Twitter could do what it wanted pre-Elon.

Then, Twitter wanted to build a space aimed at inclusivity and avoided disinformation. Musk wants to build something different.

by oldedude on December 17, 2022 6:46 pm
I think you're in error.
"Musk has also said he wants to make Twitter’s algorithm open source and make it more transparent to users when, for example, a tweet has been emphasized or demoted in their feed."

by islander on December 18, 2022 5:31 am

Teri Kanefield does a good job of explaining the tension between free speech and the ability to spread lies:

"In banning journalists while declaring himself a “free speech absolutist,” Musk was demonstrating that “free speech absolutism” is just another name for a Russian propaganda technique known as “noise.”

The notion that all voices, including “dissenting” voices, must be heard makes sense if the dissenters agree on the basic facts (like “up is up” and “Biden won the 2020 election”). In an intact public sphere (which is required for a working democracy) people agree on the facts but disagree on the best way forward. But if the “dissenting voices” amount to conspiracy theories and lies, the “all voices deserve equal consideration” policy becomes a way to elevate and legitimize lies and conspiracy theories. This elevates and legitimizes lies. It also crowds the airways, jams the signals, and confuses people with noise.

Insisting that lies share a platform with truth under the guise of “all voices must be heard” is thus a technique for spreading and giving credence to disinformation, which creates confusion and undermines factuality, which in turn destroys democracy.

The propagandist has a neat tool. He accuses people who want to de-platform lies of being opposed to “free speech.” This confuses people and is thus effective."

by HatetheSwamp on December 18, 2022 6:42 am

...demonstrating that “free speech absolutism”...

Only an anti-liberty fascist would even invent the idea that there could be such a thing as “free speech absolutism.”

It's okay for you to want to limit speech. I believe in free speech. Go for it.

But, isle, you can't be proud to believe what you believe, can you?

"Hallmark of living in an autocracy is when questioning the “official” narrative results in being smeared/censored. This has an extremely chilling effect on our democracy & exposes hypocrisy of Washington estab's supposed mission to “defeat autocracy/spread democracy” around world." -(future President) Tulsi Gabbard

She might very well be writing about you, isle. You believe in white bread, where mummy's cut off the crusts, free speech. Not healthy!

by islander on December 18, 2022 7:04 am

What do 'you' think free speech absolutism means?

by HatetheSwamp on December 18, 2022 8:19 am

It's the noun "absolutism" employed with a negative connotation that's disturbing. Turning the noun "speech" into an adjective to describe a type of absolutism is lamentable and fascist.

To do that smacks, as Tulsi noted, of autocracy and you progressives loved your autocracy until Musk put a little chink in it, didn't you?

"Hallmark of living in an autocracy is when questioning the “official” narrative results in being smeared/censored. This has an extremely chilling effect on our democracy." Preach it, sister!

by oldedude on December 18, 2022 8:57 am
It would make sense and safety if Musk was correct, and he was doxed by these journalists. I have never liked the practice, and feels it puts a literal target on the backs of those victims.

But the issue is now moot.

Musk reinstates majority of suspended journalist accounts

Elon Musk reinstated on Saturday the Twitter accounts of most of the journalists he previously suspended after he had alleged they were “doxxing” his location information by reporting on the removal of an account that tracked his private jet.

Musk tweeted “the people have spoken” late on Friday, following the completion of an unscientific poll he’d posted on his account the day before, where he asked users to vote on whether the suspensions should be lifted immediately or extended for a week. The poll closed on Friday night with 59 percent voting for reinstatement and 41 percent favoring a longer suspension.

by islander on December 18, 2022 9:07 am

Free speech absolutism denotes the belief that the constitution guarantees a person the unlimited freedom to say anything, anytime, anywhere with no censorship or restrictions. However, whether you believe in free speech absolutism or not, it does not apply to Twitter which is a privately owned social platform.

”"Hallmark of living in an autocracy is when questioning the “official” narrative results in being smeared/censored.

Since no one here believes we shouldn’t question or be allowed to question the “official” narrative, your remark is a non sequitur, probably to be used as a straw man in your argument.

by oldedude on December 19, 2022 9:14 pm
I would argue that twitter was the little biatch of the bureau. I know that's a "normal" for you, but in US politics, it's the federal government overreach to use a private company for their own propaganda.

I know that because it agrees with you, you'll support it. But it's illegal. jussayin.....

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