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Truth-by-repetition: No matter how outrageous, repeated lies become the truth

By islander
December 9, 2022 5:57 am
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Very interesting and timely article describing the big lie and how it works. There is no category for psychology so I choose health meaning ‘mental’ health.

”Research has shown that repeating a claim increases that claim’s perceived truth value.
However, for a long time, it was assumed that this so-called truth-by-repetition (TBR) effect only applied to claims whose truth value was unambiguous.
A new study confirms what politicians and advertisers knew all along: that TBR works on virtually any kind of claim, even highly implausible ones.”.

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by oldedude on December 9, 2022 12:14 pm
Welcome to your own methods of indoctrination. That's exactly what you support.

by Curt_Anderson on December 9, 2022 12:41 pm
There is a sort of crime-by-repetition corollary that Trump has perfected. Trump has been been found liable and/or guilty in criminal and civil courts countless times. Nobody has been involved in more lawsuits than Trump. Nobody is the subject of more criminal investigations than Trump. Somehow the repetition makes him seem more innocent in the eyes of those who voted for him. To Trumpers the rare, occasional and indirect accusations against Hillary or Joe Biden are indications of crimes of the century. To them Biden is the crooked businessman, not Trump who was found guilty of tax fraud this week. To them Hillary's emails were a the worst breach of national security ever, the mishandled classified documents at Mar-a-Lago is no big deal.

by islander on December 9, 2022 2:07 pm

If Trump keeps repeating his false claims of massive voter fraud, rigged elections, etc, there will, as we have seen here, be people who WILL believe they are true.

by HatetheSwamp on December 9, 2022 2:34 pm

isle,

If you don't like the verb "rigged" based on what's already been released BY TWITTER itself, what verb would you choose?

by Curt_Anderson on December 9, 2022 2:54 pm
rigged
adjective
ˈrigd
1: manipulated or controlled by deceptive or dishonest means

HtS, what specifically was released by Twitter that indicates that anything about the 2020 election meets the definition of "rigged"?

Historical note: Since John Adams' election there have been highly partisan newspapers. In the two centuries since some of the press have been run false stories about candidates and some of the press buried unflattering but true stories. The media's possible influence---honest or dishonest---on voters has never meant that our elections were rigged.

by Curt_Anderson on December 10, 2022 8:40 am
Can anybody answer the question I asked HtS immediately above? He seems to think Twitter rigged the election. But how?

by HatetheSwamp on December 10, 2022 9:02 am

Curt,

Based on the definition you provided, if you have to ask the question, your imbibing of propaganda. You're not engaging the news.

by oldedude on December 10, 2022 9:37 am
"He seems to think Twitter rigged the election. But how?"
Twitter admitted, showed, and fired their lead company lawyer over burying and suppressing several stories including the Russian HOAX, and the pedojr laptop. These had information that was leaked, and twitter made it Non accessible.

James Baker, Twitter lawyer fired by Elon Musk, played key role in FBI's Trump-Russia collusion probe
Twitter's former Deputy General Counsel James Baker, who was fired Tuesday by new CEO Elon Musk for "suppression" of information, has a long history of facing allegations of anti-Trump, pro-Democratic bias in the public and private sectors.

Substack journalist Matt Taibbi, whose "Twitter Files" released on Friday revealed new details about the company’s suppression of the New York Post’s Hunter Biden laptop story during the 2020 presidential election, shared an article on Sunday about Baker's connections to FBI controversies involving the Trump-Russia probe.

The article, from New York Post opinion writer Jonathan Turley, said Baker was "at the center of the Twitter suppression scandal" and "is fast becoming the Kevin Bacon of the Russian collusion scandals."

Musk responded to Taibbi's tweet of the article by announcing that Baker "was exited from Twitter today" due to concerns over his "possible role in suppression of information important to the public dialogue."

'Twitter files' release fuels misleading Arizona election rigging claims'

Social media influencers and Republican politicians are citing Twitter documents released by Elon Musk to claim Arizona governor-elect Katie Hobbs censored her opponents and interfered in the 2022 US midterm elections. This is misleading; the Democratic secretary of state's office flagged two false tweets to a non-profit months before she announced her candidacy, and Arizona elections are run at the county level.

"Unreal! Katie Hobbs's office contacts Twitter to have posts removed!" says a December 4, 2022 tweet from Christina Bobb, a far-right TV host now serving as an attorney for Donald Trump who was instrumental to the former president's attempts to reverse the results of the 2020 election.

"So, the democrat candidate, who ran the AZ election, censored her political opponents, disrupted Election Day votes, and then threatened counties with prosecution if they didn't declare her the winner."

Musk Admits Twitter ‘Has Interfered In Elections’
Twitter CEO Elon Musk, who only took the reins of the company last month, admitted that the Silicon Valley tech giant has meddled in past elections.

The admission came in response to a user on the platform highlighting Twitter’s mirage of “trust and safety” under prior leadership.

“The obvious reality, as long-time users know,” Musk wrote in reply, “is that Twitter has failed in trust & safety for a very long time and has interfered in elections.”

Musk, who took over the platform with a $44 billion buyout in October on a pledge to restore free speech, also wrote in a post on Monday he would soon release “The Twitter Files.”

“The Twitter Files on free speech suppression soon to be published on Twitter itself,” Musk wrote. “The public deserves to know what really happened.”
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thefederalist.com

by HatetheSwamp on December 10, 2022 9:50 am

Thanks, OD. I get so impatient, especially with Curt. He's as widely informed as the most rabid MAGA ever to turn up at any Trump rally.

I'd never engage a brainwashed MAGA either!

by Curt_Anderson on December 10, 2022 9:58 am
HtS and OD,
Neither of you are being logical. You somehow have concluded that Twitter rigged the election by what they did NOT publish. For that to make any sense, Twitter would need to be the only news source for Americans. But in America, there are many new sources. Only 23% of Americans use Twitter. Less than 2% of Americans consider Twitter an important news source. And probably none of them only get political news from Twitter.

Both of you make the illogical leap that if Twitter users had access on Twitter to the Hunter Biden laptop story, they would have voted for Trump for president. If a person was predisposed to having their opinion of Joe Biden negatively impacted by that story, they could’ve been influenced by Fox News or the New York Post or many other new sites.

pewresearch.org

by HatetheSwamp on December 10, 2022 11:01 am

I'm amused and, again, a tad flabbergasted by your ignorance, Curt. Do you even know that Twitter released a third tranche of internal documents last night. With more to come...

by oldedude on December 10, 2022 11:14 am
Curt- You're not very good at this, are you?
Power is based on information. The one who holds the power was twitter. They withheld information (thusly power) from people that would have used that information to make a decision. By withholding this information per the request of the dims. By NOT telling us facts they knew, they withheld information that would have killed pedojoe's chances to run for dog catcher anywhere on ethical grounds. Let's see, the guy running to lead this country, hired his family illegally (and immorally) to $50BIL contracts, he got his son jobs in a pay to play scam with hostile foreign governments. I'd say that's a pretty huge "favor."

Just like the "information" on Trump hurt him, even though it was a made-up fairy tale. Which proved to be so false, the DOJ/FBI publicly admitted and apologized to the FISA court (et.al) legal and ethical wrongdoing by using it at all in the case. Had that been pushed under the rug, things would have been a whole lot different. Heck, Three out of five people on this site still believe it's true! Image what would have happened if it never happened.

by Curt_Anderson on December 10, 2022 11:22 am
Yes, I know about the third release of internal documents. So what? What in it would change the election results much less rig the election?

Donna is right. You guys, and by that I mean Trumpy conservatives, have weird ideas of what is important. You think the Hunter Biden laptop story is a big deal. You think that the GOP committee will be a big deal. You think that Twitter not covering the laptop story is a big deal.

I predict that what you think will cause tidal wave of anti-Biden sentiment will barely raise a ripple of interest.

by Curt_Anderson on December 10, 2022 11:45 am
"...they withheld information that would have killed pedojoe's chances to run for dog catcher anywhere on ethical grounds." ---OD

Do you seriously believe that? FOX News and NY Post reported the story unquestioningly in October 2020 before the election. It apparently had little impact. Nearly every other news source covered it including CNN, the NY Times, WaPo et cetera but with caveats and caution. Twitter is NOT a major source. It doesn't even make a blip in polls asking people where they get their political news.

It's been two years since the laptop story was reported. Biden wasn't up for re-election but the GOP attempted to make last month's election a referendum on Biden. Joe Biden had the most successful mid-terms of any President since 1934.

Face it, the laptop story is a dud.

pewresearch.org

by HatetheSwamp on December 10, 2022 12:00 pm

That nice sized mountain of FBI whistle-blowers will be subpoenaed. They're gunna sing. I think there may be serious problems for the Swamp. We'll see.

But, I want to know. Musk says that there's more to come. How, other than what you wish, do you know that the knock out punch is yet to be thrown?

I swear. The true believer MAGAs who flock to those rallies look like Einstein compared to you.

by Curt_Anderson on December 10, 2022 12:33 pm
HtS,
So your answer to my question, "what specifically was released by Twitter that indicates that anything about the 2020 election meets the definition of "rigged"?" is "there is more to come".

Be sure to let us know when this knockout punch is landed.

by HatetheSwamp on December 10, 2022 1:04 pm

There was significant collusion...haven't you heard about this?...involving agents of the FBI, the SwampMedia, the Dem party and the SwampMedia. Have you heard that Chuck Grassley from Iowa has been in conversation with fibbie whistle-blowers since shortly after the 020 election? Some of what Twitter has already released gives some little detail already confirming what Grassley has indicated. Do you really not know this?, or do you just not want it to be true?

Oh, and, have you heard? That conspiracy theory stuff about the Biden laptop turned out to be real!!!!!? Bahahahahahahahahahaha!

by Curt_Anderson on December 10, 2022 2:11 pm
The conspiracy theory stuff about the Biden laptop amounts to nothing. It isn't anything real to this conspiracy; it's just these buzzwords "Hunter-Biden's-laptop" that gets conservatives upset. Nobody in the MAGAverse can explain what exactly the scandal is. Lord knows that I've asked you and OD to tell me what the scandal is. Certainly there is no proof of a quid pro quo.

Steve Bannon and Rudy Giuliani had possession of the laptop's hard drive two years. Apparently they found nothing incriminating unless you believe that Bannon and Giuliani are the types who would exercise caution before reporting evidence to law enforcement or even a smoking gun to the media that Hunter Biden and particular Joe Biden did something illegal.

Btw, unlike the House Republicans who boycotted the January Sixth committee, the Democrats will occupy half the seats. They will refute and mock the Republicans. Count on Democrats to expose GOP hypocrisy. If the GOP says that Hunter Biden exploited his family name (not a crime by the way), the Democrats on the committee will list Republican sons and daughters who capitalized on their famous family name, starting with the Trump kids.

by oldedude on December 10, 2022 3:08 pm
Unfortunately, you don't have the ability to look at anything except by your own dogma. That's scary. It leaves you completely open to anything else.

You are operating with a cranial/rectal inversion. Here's what been in the open source so far. Remember, the MSM has been protecting him, so what has gotten out is because of other than MSM. And it's been confirmed.

We know through FOIA, pedosr lined up a $20BIL contract he gave to his brother. That is illegal. He needed to recuse himself from being on the selection of that contract. He also gave a contract to his sister. We know through pedosr's own admission, he threatened the prior president of Ukraine with not delivering money approved by congress if they didn't do his bidding. There's video of him admitting to this, which I've dug up three times to let you see.

We know pedojr is a felon with a gun. So just with that, he's a two striker. One more felony and he goes down for life as a habitual offender. We know the Chinese "gave" him a diamond. We know he funneled money for a Russian on the Treasury watch list and was sanctioned by them. Those were all in open news. Joe first said he knew "nothing about pedojr's "business dealings." Then he got caught and it's known sr knew about his son's business dealings. Then he got caught through phone conversations and texts talking to jr about his business dealings.

If this were Trump, you would be demanding his head. literally. You need to really look at yourself and recognize you're part of the problem.

So that's the starting point. Anything else is unproven as of now.

by Curt_Anderson on December 10, 2022 5:05 pm
OD,
All of your information is unsourced. You provide no links. You expect us to be as gullible as you and HtS. You posted a lot which varies from the impossibly vague to obvious falsehoods. I won't tackle it all, but I will address a few of your claims. Btw, what does Hunter Biden's laptop have to do with any of these claims you made?

1. We know through FOIA, pedosr lined up a $20BIL contract he gave to his brother.
Really? Which brother? Provide a link. I read through numerous articles on FOX News and the NY Post websites complaining about Biden family business deals and they are not reporting anything like that.

2. He also gave a contract to his sister.
Again, a link por favor.

3. We know through pedosr's own admission, he threatened the prior president of Ukraine with not delivering money approved by congress if they didn't do his bidding. There's video of him admitting to this, which I've dug up three times to let you see.
Yes, it's a video which you insist on misinterpreting. See Snopes link below. Viktor Shokin was considered corrupt by much of the western world. The US and rest of the world didn't want to lend Ukraine money for fears it would end up in Shokin's pockets. Biden's mission was in part to get Shokin fired.

Those concerned about Shokin's corruption included congressional Republicans. In a 2016 letter "signed by several Republican senators that urged then-Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko to “press ahead with urgent reforms to the Prosecutor General’s office." Source: CNN

Through 2015 and early 2016, domestic and international pressure (including from the IMF, the EU, and the EBRD) built for Shokin to be removed from office. The Obama administration withheld $1 billion in loan guarantees to pressure the Ukrainian government to remove Shokin from office.

Amid domestic and international pressure, he was removed from office by the Ukrainian Parliament on March 2016, in a move welcomed by the European Union, the United States, the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank.
--Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org
cnn.com
snopes.com

by oldedude on December 10, 2022 7:04 pm
You don't read my links anyway, so why should I waste my time?

by oldedude on December 10, 2022 7:18 pm
1 & 2.The Biden family’s apparent self-enrichment involves five family members: Joe’s son Hunter, son-in-law Howard, brothers James and Frank, and sister Valerie.

Consider the case of HillStone International, a subsidiary of the huge construction management firm Hill International. The president of HillStone International was Kevin Justice, who grew up in Delaware and was a longtime Biden family friend. On Nov. 4, 2010, according to White House visitors’ logs, Justice visited the White House and met with Biden adviser Michele Smith in the Office of the Vice President.

Less than three weeks later, HillStone announced that James Biden would be joining the firm as an executive vice president. James appeared to have little or no background in housing construction, but that did not seem to matter to HillStone. His bio on the company’s website noted his “40 years of experience dealing with principals in business, political, legal and financial circles across the nation and internationally…”

James Biden was joining HillStone just as the firm was starting negotiations to win a massive contract in war-torn Iraq. Six months later, the firm announced a contract to build 100,000 homes. It was part of a $35 billion, 500,000-unit project deal won by TRAC Development, a South Korean company. HillStone also received a $22 million US federal government contract to manage a construction project for the State Department.

David Richter, son of the parent company’s founder, was not shy in explaining HillStone’s success in securing government contracts. It really helps, he told investors at a private meeting, to have “the brother of the vice president as a partner,” according to someone who was there.

The Iraq project was massive, perhaps the single most lucrative project for the firm ever. In 2012, Charlie Gasparino of Fox Business reported that HillStone officials expected the project to “generate $1.5 billion in revenues over the next three years.” That amounted to more than three times the revenue the company produced in 2011.

A group of minority partners, including James Biden, stood to split about $735 million. “There’s plenty of money for everyone if this project goes through,” said one company official.

The deal was all set, but HillStone made a crucial error. In 2013, the firm was forced to back out of the contract because of a series of problems, including a lack of experience by Hill and TRAC Development, its South Korean associate firm. But HillStone continued doing significant contract work in the embattled country, including a six-year contract with the US Army Corps of Engineers.

James Biden remained with Hill International, which accumulated contracts from the federal government for dozens of projects, including projects in the United States, Puerto Rico, Mozambique and elsewhere.

When this subject came up in 2019, Biden declared, “I never talked with my son or my brother or anyone else — even distant family — about their business interests. Period.”

Joe Biden’s younger brother, James, has been an integral part of the family political machine from the earliest days when he served as finance chair of Joe’s 1972 Senate campaign, and the two have remained quite close. After Joe joined the US Senate, he would bring his brother James along on congressional delegation trips to places like Ireland, Rome and Africa.

3. It's illegal to threaten a country with not giving money congress has allocated. Period. Yes he was a sleezeball, and now lives in Russia. It's still illegal. And to actually boast about it is nothing more than stoopid. Dementia was already setting in.

OMFG, it took me all of 30 seconds to bring up the same thing I've brought up multiple times before.
nypost.com

by Curt_Anderson on December 10, 2022 7:23 pm
Sure I do. You tend to link to old opinion pieces and to sites like Christian News Network. I especially click on your links when they supposedly support your dubious claim.

by Curt_Anderson on December 10, 2022 7:35 pm
OD,
I found and read that NY Post article before you linked to it. I alluded to it. Where does it say anything about the "$20BIL contract" you claimed?

The article reported that Joe Biden's campaign hired his sister's political consulting firm. That's hardly unusual or illegal for family members to be involved in a candidate's campaign. For example, Trump runs (and profits) from his own political fund raising business.

by oldedude on December 10, 2022 7:43 pm
Oh. You talk shit for that after using a reference that can't tell the difference in fraud and AML in banking? You're pitiful. The links to China? Here's the start of your quid pro quo.

Notice whom they were dealing with. Not just businessmen, but people that either worked for, or were associated with Chinese Intelligence Service.

For those wondering why Joe Biden is soft on China, consider this never-before-reported revelation: The Biden family has done five deals in China totaling some $31 million arranged by individuals with direct ties to Chinese intelligence — some reaching the very top of China’s spy agency.

Indeed, every known deal that the Biden family enjoyed with Beijing was reached courtesy of individuals with spy ties. And Joe Biden personally benefited from his family’s foreign deals.

What are these deals? And who are the individuals who made them happen for the Bidens?

Here, then, are a few key facts about the Biden family’s $5 million-plus deals with individuals in bed with Chinese intelligence.

DEAL #1: BOHAI HARVEST RST
Payout: estimated $20 million
In 2018, I was the first to report on Hunter Biden’s involvement with a Chinese investment fund called Bohai Harvest RST (BHR). Hunter even introduced his dad to a company executive in December 2013 when father and son flew to Beijing on Air Force Two.

Kaplan pointed to two large publicly traded private equity firms for reference, both of which have a market value of about 10% of the assets under their management. Using that as a rough guide, that would put the value of Hunter Biden’s share closer to $20 million, he said.

Two months ago, Hunter Biden’s lawyer said he sold his equity stake. They have not disclosed how much he made.

But courtesy of the Hunter Biden emails on his abandoned laptop, we now know two of the key individuals who made that deal happen. And at the time, they had close ties to the very top of the Chinese intelligence apparatus.

Kaplan pointed to two large publicly traded private equity firms for reference, both of which have a market value of about 10% of the assets under their management. Using that as a rough guide, that would put the value of Hunter Biden’s share closer to $20 million, he said.

A Chinese tycoon named Che Feng, a k a “The Super Chairman,” played a key role in getting the deal going by introducing Hunter and his partners to large Chinese state-backed investment funds. Hunter saw a big payday. As he wrote in one email to business partner Devon Archer, “I don’t believe in lottery tickets anymore, but I do believe in the super chairman … I think the sky’s the limit.”

Who exactly is Che Feng?

At one time, he was business partners with the then-vice minister for state security in China, which is China’s KGB.

Che Feng was business partners at one point with the vice minister for state security in China. This man was reportedly the director of the ministry’s No. 8 Bureau, which targeted foreigners with its intelligence apparatus — including reporters, diplomats and businessmen. It was also reported that he oversaw intelligence operations for North America.

Another key figure in putting this investment deal together was Zhao Xuejun (a k a Henry Zhao) of Harvest Fund Management. Zhao is a Communist Party official. (“The mission of our Party is to bring happiness to people, and to revive the nation for people,” he has said.)

But more troubling — Zhao was at that time business partners with Jia Liqing, the daughter of the former minister of state security, Jia Chunwang.

In short, he was in charge of espionage, domestic and overseas intelligence work for China. Jia was famous during his tenure for developing China’s “deep water fish” (Chendi yü) strategy of developing thousands of special agents on foreign soil.

Zhao was also a key figure for Biden prospects in China. His fund participated in BHR, where Hunter Biden received a board seat. The business that he co-founded with Jia Liqing, Harvest Global Investments, also figures in Deal #2.
There are FIVE deals, all equally disgusting if you care to read them.

nypost.com

by Curt_Anderson on December 10, 2022 8:02 pm
OD,
Please don't try to bamboozle me with voluminous BS.

"DEAL #1: BOHAI HARVEST RST
Payout: estimated $20 million"

It is not the "We know through FOIA, pedosr lined up a $20BIL contract he gave to his brother" you alleged. I am still waiting for the FOIA report about the $20BIL contract.

Factcheck.org and Politifact.com looked into BHR. It's convoluted but there is no evidence of anything illegal happening.

Hunter Biden is not the first child of a prominent politician to be accused of having ties to a company doing business with a foreign country. Indeed, similar questions have been raised about Trump’s own family members.

The president [Trump] is free to question whether Hunter Biden capitalized on his father’s name to insert himself into a deal that involves investments by the Chinese government. But he goes beyond that to make unsubstantiated claims that Hunter Biden made “millions and millions” from China while his father was vice president and that he hitched a ride on Air Force Two to secure a $1.5 billion investment deal. ---Factcheck.org

factcheck.org
politifact.com

by Curt_Anderson on December 10, 2022 8:21 pm
Fact-checking claims about Hunter Biden, Joe Biden, and China
• The granular details of many of the allegations about Hunter Biden’s dealings in China are supported by documentation, but larger conclusions resurrected at the end of the 2020 campaign are unsubstantiated.

• Foreign policy experts say these allegations do not add up to a picture of Joe Biden being corrupt or pursuing policies contrary to the national interest. There is no evidence that Hunter Biden came close to breaking the law, much less any evidence that his father has done so.

• Critics say that the Trump family’s financial entanglements are at least as problematic, if not more so, than the Bidens’.

Both the Biden and Trump examples involved a child of a powerful U.S. official getting special treatment or business opportunities from the Chinese government, but there are some differences. On one hand, Ivanka Trump’s trademark approval involved an expedited regulatory review, as opposed to an ongoing investment opportunity. On the other hand, unlike Biden, she was a White House official at the time, in addition to being the president’s daughter. And the president himself maintains extensive business interests around the world.---Politifact

politifact.com

by oldedude on December 11, 2022 1:27 am
Ivanka Trump’s trademark approval involved an expedited regulatory review, as opposed to an ongoing investment opportunity. On the other hand, unlike Biden, she was a White House official at the time, in addition to being the president’s daughter. And the president himself maintains extensive business interests around the world.
So why in the six plus years of "investigations" wasn't Trump ever charged with this? That makes no sense it was an illegal act. If she applied for the expedited regulatory review and received it, they went through legal channels just like every other business that requested one. I know your religion doesn't allow you to believe Trump did anything legal, but this is getting tiresome.

The illegal act was that pedojoe, as the contract manager, gave the contract to his family. THAT is the illegal act according to 5 U.S.C. § 2302(b) and 5 U.S.C. § 3110, I've referenced this several times before.

PROHIBITED PERSONAL PRACTICES- NEPOTISM

Any employee who has authority to take, direct others to take, recommend, or approve any personnel action, shall not, with respect to such authority—
appoint, employ, promote, advance, or advocate for appointment, employment, promotion, or advancement, in or to a civilian position any individual who is a relative [father, mother, son, daughter, brother, sister, uncle, aunt, first cousin, nephew, niece, husband, wife, father-in-law, mother-in-law, son-in-law, daughter-in-law, brother-in-law, sister-in-law, stepfather, stepmother, stepson, stepdaughter, stepbrother, stepsister, half-brother, or half-sister] of such employee if such position is in the agency in which such employee is serving as a public official [an officer (including the President and a Member of Congress), a member of the uniformed service, an employee and any other individual, in whom is vested the authority by law, rule, or regulation, or to whom the authority has been delegated, to appoint, employ, promote, or advance individuals, or to recommend individuals for appointment, employment, promotion, or advancement in connection with employment in an agency] or over which such employee exercises jurisdiction or control as such an official.
mspb.gov

by HatetheSwamp on December 11, 2022 3:15 am

Hunter Biden is not the first child of a prominent politician to be accused of having ties to a company doing business with a foreign country. Indeed, similar questions have been raised about Trump’s own family members.

Ahhhhhhhhhhh. The Golden Oldy classic!

Trump Trump Trump Trump
Trump Trump Trump Trump
Trump Trump Trump Trump...TRUMP!

To be sung twice to the tune of ROW, ROW
ROW YOUR BOAT while washing hands:

Trump Trump Trump is bad.
Nasty things Trump did.
Carefully, carefully will we watch.
Nuthin will be hid.

Again, Curt. Every time you equate the Flatulent Fool to the Despicable One, you lose.

Bahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahaha, ahhhhhhhhhhh!

by HatetheSwamp on December 11, 2022 3:42 am

Foreign policy experts say these allegations do not add up to a picture of Joe Biden being corrupt or pursuing policies contrary to the national interest. There is no evidence that Hunter Biden came close to breaking the law, much less any evidence that his father has done so.

• Critics say that the Trump family’s financial entanglements are at least as problematic, if not more so, than the Bidens’.

Memo to Curt: 51 foreign policy experts signed a document indicating that the laptop story was Russian disinformcoming.

Bahahahahahahahahahaha!

No one here is defending Trump. He's despicable. There's now a mountain of evidence that the Biden Crime Family is precisely that. You're achieving nothing rhetorically by your constant comparisons between the Former Trucker and OrangeMan.

*****

Just a side note. By the time the hearings kick off, "that feckless dementia-ridden piece of crap" best better drop the identity politics, fire the black lesbian and hire a press secretary who can actually think because there will be are very tough questions comin.

by islander on December 11, 2022 5:24 am

😀 Smiley breaks out into a full fledged laugh 🤣 every time he sees how much a Trump voter and enabler (Trumper) hates to see Trump's name mentioned by any of the Good Guys.

I tell 😀 to try and exercise a little empathy and compassion for those Trumpers by trying to put himself in their place. Then he'll understand the shame and embarrassment they feel when Trump is brought up in any conversation.

😉 Smiley just winked and said... "Trump Trump Trump Trump"

by oldedude on December 11, 2022 5:47 am
Lead,
I think it's funny that I (for one) do not bring up Trump. I keep on track with the pedojoe crime family, the dims weaponization of the DOJ and IC, and the anti constitutionalism of the left. Every time that happens, all I hear from curt and isle is Trump! Trump! Trump! Although isle's "attempt" at an alter ego is pretty sad.

I just wish they'd stick to the subject.

I don't have any doubt Trump will get his due. I don't think jail time, but politically he just needs to be gone. Although I prefer sooner than later so I don't have to wince during the primaries and we (GOP) can move on without his bullsht. Hopefully the left can stay on task and help the GOP out. The good news is that I see the party moving away from him. Every politician have their die hards, but we're starting to see the crack in Trumps chokehold on the party.

by islander on December 11, 2022 7:10 am

😀 = isle

pb = Hate

by oldedude on December 11, 2022 8:49 am
I find it interesting that as a complete narcissist, that's what you got out of three paragraphs. One line. But I know I shouldn't expect anything more, so I guess there's that.

by Donna on December 11, 2022 10:06 am

I'm loving watching the GOP hanging all of its hopes on Huntergate. Until the GOP addresses the problem that young Americans are rejecting their party, a problem that will only become more pronounced with each passing election, it will continue to devolve into a cult of conspiracy theorists and assorted nutcases.

by oldedude on December 11, 2022 1:14 pm
You mean like TDS? that the dims have clung to TDS like they've said we cling to our guns and bibles?

The GOP have been getting more young people in. Also, the difference is the dims have gotten more young people to vote. Most of that is through the buy off of different things and working through hatred and lies. The GOP is expanding the minority vote also. With the exception of Trump, the Jewish populations are also starting to vote GOP. The Muslim vote is shockingly starting to go GOP because of the dims pet projects of CRT and FoSE. Lead and I had that discussion earlier last month(ish) when school districts were going to start teaching FoSE. This violates al Quran, so both the Christian and Muslim parents were inflamed about it.

For myself, I'm sick of a government that purposefully overspends with "economic" packages that do little about what they "say" they're about. They're also following Alinsky's theory to the letter, as did obomber.

by HatetheSwamp on December 12, 2022 4:09 am

OD,

"I don't have any doubt Trump will get his due. I don't think jail time, but politically he just needs to be gone. Although I prefer sooner than later..."

Me, too.

Sadly, for the TDS crowd, it won't be enuff. He's bringing out the vigilante in them. They'll never be satisfied.

by HatetheSwamp on December 12, 2022 4:27 am

From isle:

😀 Smiley breaks out into a full fledged laugh 🤣 every time he sees how much a Trump voter and enabler (Trumper) hates to see Trump's name mentioned by any of the Good Guys.

I tell 😀 to try and exercise a little empathy and compassion for those Trumpers by trying to put himself in their place. Then he'll understand the shame and embarrassment they feel when Trump is brought up in any conversation.

😉 Smiley just winked and said... "Trump Trump Trump Trump"

*******

Gang, there are no "Trumpers" currently posting on SS. It has always seemed to me that people who think that Trump is despicable...but don't suffer from TDS...are treated especially badly by the deranged. isle and po demonstrate that most vividly.

pb does also UNDERSTAND that isle is most comfortable when he has someone to hate and that he makes up reasons to hate when necessary.

So, here's what pb wants: pb put isle getting a full-fledged MAGA, from Kris Kringle, for Xmas, on pb's Xmas list. Sadly, pb didn’t do well on the naughty/nice scale in 022. Curt, do you have it within your power as cyber guru extraordinaire, to find a way to recruit one? It'd certainly make isle happy but, I think, po'd be more faithful to SS were there a real MAGA here. Any chance?

by HatetheSwamp on December 12, 2022 4:37 am

Donna: "I'm loving watching the GOP hanging all of its hopes on Huntergate. Until the GOP addresses the problem that young Americans are rejecting their party, a problem that will only become more pronounced with each passing election, it will continue to devolve into a cult of conspiracy theorists and assorted nutcases."

Where are YOU watching that? From Joy? Rachel? Some ACLU blog? You're wrong. But, no doubt, honestly wrong in the way an ostrich is wrong. Try some real world once.

I'm working on a post to prove that the GOP won the 022 election big time, in spite of the weak candidates promoted by Trump. More on that later.

But, Donna, think. From the time we were young voters, young voters have been rejecting the GOP. And, sometime between ages 30-40 they mature.

by oldedude on December 12, 2022 5:56 am
Yeah,
Once they leave the frat house life and get in to the "real" world of actually having to show up, then actually working, is such a pain to learn. It's really funny when they finally get it through their head that nobody owes them anything (which some never get, but that's another story.

by islander on December 12, 2022 6:08 am

Hate wrote: "Gang, there are no "Trumpers" currently posting on SS."

Of course there are, you are one of them...see post #38.

A Trump voter and enabler is someone who voted for Trump enabling Trump to be elevated to the highest office in the land...And then voted for Trump again the second time he ran!!!

by Donna on December 12, 2022 6:42 am

I happy to hear that you guys believe your party is attracting young voters. The truth though is that most young people are very "woke", much more woke than me. But go on - hang onto the hope that they'll come around when they hit middle age - LOL!

by HatetheSwamp on December 12, 2022 6:43 am

OD,

Yeah. The moment their first grader comes home from school and says " My teacher says that I might not really be a girl, or boy," or "My teacher says that I'm a racist" they, immediately, see politics in a different light.

by HatetheSwamp on December 12, 2022 6:46 am

Donna,

We're not saying that the GOP is attracting young voters. You can have em from age 18-29. We'll take over from age 30-95. Bahahahahahahahahahaha.

by Donna on December 12, 2022 11:33 am

I'd call a meeting with my child's teacher if they put either of those ideas in my child's head. I don't think any child would intepret remarks like those as "politics", though.

by oldedude on December 12, 2022 11:59 am
I think you're honest about that. So it's quizzical to me that you would deny that it's happening. I know they were in a few districts in FL. I showed you that it was already in Denver and a couple of districts in MI. You still maintain that it was a law before there is a problem. I also don't think that's correct.

I believe it is pure politics. That's a part of Alinsky's things you have to do to destroy the society and government you're in. All they're doing is to create chaos and extend victimhood. This is to directly take all rights out of the hands of parents and place those rights with the government. When they do that, they're closer to taking the government and country. And like I said earlier, they have those minds for generations. Just like the NAZIs did (and it's still alive).

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