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The Hill: Trump may not make it to the primaries

By HatetheSwamp
November 22, 2022 6:03 am
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pb has pretty finely tuned radar to pick up on TDS. Clearly, not everyone who opposes Trump has TDS. pb thinks Trump is despicable and he's regularly accused by po and isle of being a Trump worshiper. If you think of TDS in the way cancer is understood, i.e., Stage 1 through Stage 4, isle, here, is terminal.

When my wife had real cancer, as it turns out, she was as far into Stage 3 as you can be that she had to undergo tests to determine if she was Stage 4, i.e., terminal. That's how I think of po's TDS. Very serious but not outright insane. With Curt?, I think of Curt's Trump derangement in terms of his much larger issue of Good German-ism. It's almost as if he has a different issue. Donna?, probably is Stage 2, definitely in need of treatment but not over the edge.

This article in THE HILL? It's definitely anti-Trump but is it pb's rational opposition or, to some degree deranged? One symptom of TDS is an apparent need to psychoanalyze him from 40,000 feet. The article definitely does that. Please skim the article. Just for fun. pb studied the author on Twitter. He strikes pb as an "anyone but Trump" GOP who prefers DeSantis, at least for now. But, ABT GOPs can have TDS, too.

So, anyway, pb pegs this as maybe Stage 2 TDS.

If Trump is staring at defeat by next December, my guess is he will find a way to get out ó perhaps to fight ďunfairĒ prosecutions, maybe to deal with some fake health scare, or ó less likely ó deferring to his wife and family. Perhaps itís a combination. Thereís no way Trump will go begging for votes in Iowa and New Hampshire only to be rebuffed. He may be a bit delusional, but he can read the polls.

Much like 016, the SwampGOPs are horrified that Trump will be the nominee, but he was in 016.


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Comments on "The Hill: Trump may not make it to the primaries":

  1. by Donna on November 22, 2022 7:08 am

    You're more obsessed with Trump than anyone I know.


  2. by HatetheSwamp on November 22, 2022 7:36 am

    Obsessed?

    Perhaps. I abhor Trump. I think he's despicable. But, we know I'm not deranged due to the fact that your hunny and isle are still accusing me of worshiping him.

    Obsessed, not deranged.

    Trump is one of those figures who inspires either intense devotion or deranged hate.

    pb's one of the few still capable of reason as far as Trump's concerned. And, OrangeMan is the only declared candidate for President in 024...as can be seen by this article, he'sa topic of interest. pb didnít make the article up.


  3. by islander on November 22, 2022 8:31 am
    Hate,

    Why do you hate Trump so much? Or when you say you despise Trump do you mean you don't hate him like you do us, you only abhor him?

    I believe he must suffer a great deal from his deep seated psychological and emotional issues and I doubt that he can experience happiness except as a kind of fleeting perverse pleasure. But I don't hate/despise him. I think to hate someone, there has to be some kind of emotional attachment between the hater and the hated person. For example, I don't hate Jeffery Dahmer...Do you?

    Oh! And I never said you worship Trump, I said that you are a Trump (two time) voter and enabler...Trump voters like you enabled him to be elevated to the highest office in the land. *

    * I know you probably will, as you have before, claim that you had no choice and we Democrats are to blame since we didn't nominate someone you liked. But you, like everyone else, always had "a choice", for which we, and you, bear full responsible.

    😀 Smiley said to ask you if you despise or hate Biden as well.



  4. by HatetheSwamp on November 22, 2022 9:07 am

    A little defensive, there, ain't isle. And, you pulled out Smiley...which you only do when you're busted!

    You've asked me several times why I hate Trump so much. To this point, I've always answered. Clearly, at your advanced age, you don't remember so well. You've also asked me if I hate "that feckless dementia-ridden" Former Truck Driver. Now Smiley is asking, too. I always give the same answer, from greatest depth of my emotion. No, I don't hate Biden. You can't imagine how much he resembles my dad as dad was disappearing into the fog of dementia. I pity Joe and I think that Jill should be charged with elder abuse for exposing him to international derision in his frailty.


  5. by islander on November 22, 2022 9:35 am

    😀 = isle

    pb = Hate


  6. by islander on November 23, 2022 6:43 am

    n Hateís own words, ĒTrump is one of those figures who inspires either intense devotion or deranged hate.Ē

    We liberal swamp members neither hate Trump, nor are we devoted to him...You left out the third position which is this ...

    We do think Trump was unfit to be president and like I said, ĒI believe he must suffer a great deal from his deep seated psychological and emotional issues and I doubt that he can experience happiness except as a kind of fleeting perverse pleasure. But I don't hate/despise him. I think to hate someone, there has to be some kind of emotional attachment between the hater and the hated person. For example, I don't hate Jeffery Dahmer...Do you?Ē

    So far you still havenít told me ďwhyĒ you hate Trump or 

what inspired your hatred of him?


  7. by HatetheSwamp on November 23, 2022 7:15 am

    isle,

    You don't get a fourth do-over. But, I will jog your failing memory. On a previous occasion, I introduced my reasons saying that I despise Trump for the same reasons you do. You didn't object...

    ...AND, you didn't pretend that you don't hate Trump. Bahahahahahahahahahaha, ahhhhhhhhhhh!


  8. by islander on November 23, 2022 8:17 am

    Since I donít hate, nor have I ever said I despise/hate Trump, itís foolish of you to say you hate him for the same reasons I do. Iím not all afraid to tell anyone why I donít hate him (like Iíve done twice already just in this thread).

    If I hated him, unlike you, Iíd be more than willing and happy to tell anybody who asked why I hate him.

    😀 Smiley said he thinks that if you have to come right out and say why you hate Trump, it would make you feel even more embarrassed by the fact that you voted for him ďtwiceĒ, and thatís why you wonít tell us !

    I think Smiley might be onto something !!! 🤣


  9. by Donna on November 23, 2022 8:22 am

    Jimmy Fallon Says DeSantis Is Already Polling So Well for President That ĎHeís Only 5 Points Away From Trump Calling It Riggedí

    yahoo.com


  10. by HatetheSwamp on November 23, 2022 9:00 am

    For entertainment purposes, I'm hoping that Trump starts to lose the nomination. That could be a laugh a minute.


  11. by oldedude on November 23, 2022 10:36 pm
    I'm going to jump in. Trump isn't in my mind for any reason other he's a player in the political system. So I see his name on stuff. I wish him gone out of the system (not to be confused with dead). He is given the free right to run for President. I can't stop him. I don't obsess over him. The left is keeping him up. Please stop all the bullsht over him. It keeps him alive.


  12. by Curt_Anderson on November 23, 2022 10:58 pm
    Trump seems to going for the pity vote. I have never heard a political candidate besides Trump whine "I'm a victim". I cannot imagine that will work in Iowa, New Hampshire and beyond.



  13. by HatetheSwamp on November 24, 2022 4:48 am

    At this point, I think that the Dems are convinced that they need Trump. What they're for is so insane. But, when they can keep the conversation about Trump, they can continue their swindle.

    For the GOPs, I think that the issue is what happens with the MAGAs and the antiSwamp. pb's an ideal example of an antiSwamp person who's not MAGA. Trump succeeded in creating his own universe of followers, distinct from the people who are fed up with DC elitism and corruption.

    pb's been saying that the antiSwamp created Trump, not the reverse. Still, Trump brought new voters to the polls and, if the GOP field starts out with, say, eight or more candidates, Trump will probably win the early primaries...and may win the nomination like he did in 016.

    If Trump doesn't win the nomination, the question will be what the MAGAs do. Will they take their ball and go home or will they realize that four more years of this Dem insanity may be more than America can survive? Some of the MAGAs are as Good German with Trump as Curt is with the progressive Swampcult. And, they're loyal to one of the most over the top narcissists in the history of American politics.


  14. by islander on November 24, 2022 7:13 am

    😀 Smiley said that if he were a Republican he'd be wishing nobody would talk about Trump anymore and he can see why.


  15. by Donna on November 24, 2022 7:50 am

    If Trump isn't nominated, he'll run as a third party candidate out of spite. He'll call the party "America First". And they'll both lose.

    If Trump wins the GOP nom, he'll lose.

    So it's a win-win for Biden. Or Gretchen Whitmer.







  16. by HatetheSwamp on November 24, 2022 8:21 am

    isle. Tell Smiley that, except for MAGAs, as much as politicians can, Trump is already persona non grata but, thing is, that's how it was in 016 and we know how that turned out.


  17. by HatetheSwamp on November 24, 2022 8:23 am

    Gretchen Whitmer, Donna? She's the ace up your sleeve?


  18. by islander on November 24, 2022 8:23 am

    I'd like to start hearing and seeing more of Gretchen Whitmer. I think she'd make an excellent candidate for the Democrats in 2024. I'm happy with what Biden has done so far after stepping in and saving our country from 4 more years of Trump and I'll always be grateful to him for that, but I think we need some fresh young blood in the white House and Gretchen looks like a very, very, good choice !! 👍


  19. by HatetheSwamp on November 24, 2022 8:45 am

    She was over the top Big, uh, Sister with COVID-19 and she was caught in her own French Laundry type scandal for her mandate hypocrisy. That won't hurt with Dems but, if people still care about Covid in 024, it won't help with indies.


  20. by Curt_Anderson on November 24, 2022 9:01 am
    Donna, I think you may be on to something. Itís very possible that Trump would run under a third-party banneró-maybe the MAGA party. Another scenario, which I think is the near certainty is if Trump loses the GOP nomination he wonít be a graceful loser. Heíll spend the rest of the year complaining that the Republican nomination is rigged.

    I give no credence to HtSís theory that Trump is a creation of ďthe swampĒ. Trump is the Republican partyís Frankensteinís monster.


  21. by HatetheSwamp on November 24, 2022 11:11 am

    Curt,

    There's been a significant antiSwamp faction in the GOP since at least 010. Nearly everyone who voted for Trump in 016 in the GOP primary came from there. They were waiting for someone with Trump's shtick to come along. Certainly, he brought some white blue-collar voters into the party, but, for the most part, the antiSwampers were there to lift OrangeMan on their shoulders.


  22. by Donna on November 24, 2022 11:17 am

    And I'm very thankful for their efforts!


  23. by HatetheSwamp on November 24, 2022 11:39 am

    They spared us from Hillary. That's good enuff for me.


  24. by Curt_Anderson on November 24, 2022 12:20 pm
    Yass, yass, HtS, who knows what sort of horrors Hillary had in store for America had she won? Probably not even 400 miles of border wall. Probably no Space Force. Maybe no outside the box presidential ideas for COVID cures like hydroxychloroquine or injections of disinfectant. Think of all the presidential tweets we would have missed.


  25. by Donna on November 27, 2022 12:15 pm

    'Been to this party too many times': Rick Wilson predicts GOP will nominate Donald Trump in 2024

    Long-time GOP strategist, author, and Lincoln Project cofounder Rick Wilson believes that the growing presumption that the GOP will nominate somebody in 2024 other than former President Donald Trump Ė such as newly reelected Florida Governor Ron DeSantis Ė is perilously misguided.

    The party, Wilson warned in a telephone interview with The Guardian published on Sunday, has been through this before.

    ďThe greatest danger in American politics is not recognizing that there are great dangers. The same people in 2015 and 2016 were confidently asserting Donald Trump could never, ever under any circumstances win the Republican nomination, and there were never any circumstances where Donald Trump could beat Hillary Clinton, and then he could never have almost a million people die because of his mishandling of Covid and on and on and on and on.

    I know that the Republicans who right now are acting very bold and the donors who are acting very frisky Ė as Trump starts winning primaries, they will bend the knee, they will break, they will fall, they will all come back into line.


    Wilson explained that Trump still "controls a quarter, at the minimum, of the Republican base." Wilson reasoned that if Trump manages to win early state primary contests, his momentum will snowball and render hopefuls like DeSantis irrelevant:

    Even if itís 15% and he goes into Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina, and he wins primaries because he has 15% going in, thatís the ballgame. Itís over. Itís done. Everybody else, itís all over bar the crying.

    Right now theyíre all talking so much sh*t: ĎIím not going to get with Trump. Iím going to be with the hot new number, DeSantis.í When DeSantis gets his ass handed to him, when he gets his clock cleaned in a debate or forum or just by Trump grinding away at him, eating him alive mentally for weeks on end, and suddenly Donald Trumpís numbers start posting up again, all the conservative thinkers who are right now like, ĎWe will never vote for Trump again, we have integrity!í will find themselves some excuse. ĎWell, you know, we donít like Trumpís tweets, but otherwise itís pure communism!'

    Itís all bullsh*t, itís all a f*cking game, and that game is going to play out in a way that does not result in the outcome that the donor class thinks theyíre going to get.

    Ron DeSantis won an election in Florida against a three-time loser, a campaign that was run by the best Republican Party in the country, and I mean that because Iím a guy who helped over many years elect many people in the great state of Florida. The quality of our operation here made it look easy.

    Has Ron DeSantis been to the rodeo? Has he been out there in the fight? Has he actually faced up against a full campaign of the brutality and the cruelty that Donald Trump will level against him? He has not. Itís like heís walked onto the field onto third base and thought he hit a grand slam home run. Itís easy for Republicans to win in Florida. Itís how itís supposed to be: we built it that way. In a Republican primary against Trump, even Trump in a weakened state still has an innate feral sense of cruelty and cunning that Ron DeSantis does not have. How does Trump know that? He watched the debate.

    It was nine seconds of the gears moving in his head and you could see the agony on his face, like ĎI donít know what to say.í Trump never has a doubt. He may be an assh*le but he never has a doubt. Ron is over-intellectualizing it and Iím telling you: this guy has a glass jaw.

    All of a sudden, all that donor money is going to go, ĎOh, f*ck,í and then theyíre going to call Ronís people and go, ĎHey, listen, we love Ron but weíre worried. Weíre gonna have to sit this one out for a little while. Letís see what it looks like in a month.í

    And then a month will pass and all of a sudden Donald Trump is the nominee. Thatís how itís going to go and I donít say this out of any joy; I say this because Iíve just been to this f*cking party too many times now.

    Youíre telling me youíre going to send Ron DeSantis to New Hampshire where he has to go and sit in a diner with the Merrimack county GOP chairman and that 79-year-old codger is going to want to talk to Ron DeSantis about the gold standard or whatever and Ron DeSantis is going to sit there and get bored and restless and leave or be angry? Iím sorry. Sell me another fantasy of Ron DeSantis the perfect candidate.

    ***

    Whatever. Unless something unforeseen happens that turns the American political landscape on its head, the Democratic candidate will win in 2024.


    alternet.org


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