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Supreme Court rules for coach whose prayers on football field raised questions about church-state separation

By HatetheSwamp
June 27, 2022 7:28 am
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The court stressed that Coach Joe Kennedy’s prayers began as private and personal expression and were not official acts of promoting religion at school.

Writing for the majority, Justice Neil M. Gorsuch said, “Both the Free Exercise and Free Speech Clauses of the 1st Amendment protect expressions like Mr. Kennedy’s. Nor does a proper understanding of the Amendment’s Establishment Clause require the government to single out private religious speech for special disfavor. The Constitution and the best of our traditions counsel mutual respect and tolerance, not censorship and suppression, for religious and nonreligious views alike.”


"...or prohibiting the free Exercise thereof."

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  1. by Curt_Anderson on June 27, 2022 12:12 pm
    How do we know that this football coach isn't praying to a false god? His win/loss record would be a good indicator.

    Anyway, rather an ostentatious display to pray on the fifty yard line in front of football fans. Does this show-off think he needs the stadium lights so his god can see him? I prefer a quiet, unpretentious brand of piety.

    The coach is proselytizing. Players on his team would naturally feel pressure to join in the prayer in hopes of getting more playing time.


  2. by HatetheSwamp on June 27, 2022 12:29 pm

    Curt,

    This is precisely what my dissertation would have been on. It's what I, at least, knew about.

    Admittedly, the guy's practice was peculiar. But, even a Blue MAGA like you have to understand that it's the peculiar, odd, person, or action, that the Bill of Rights is designed to protect.


  3. by Curt_Anderson on June 27, 2022 12:44 pm
    HtS,
    The Bill of Rights, in particular the First Amendment, is a two-way street. It provides freedom of religion with no state-approved religion. It also provides freedom FROM religion.

    I wonder if this coach were an adherent of some not-so-popular religion, shouting "allahu akbar" or performing some strange ritual if the SCOTUS would have ruled the same way. I am guessing they'd be less sympathetic.


  4. by HatetheSwamp on June 27, 2022 12:51 pm

    It also provides freedom FROM religion.

    Really? Where in the Bill of Rights? How?


  5. by Curt_Anderson on June 27, 2022 12:54 pm
    The First Amendment's Establishment Clause prohibits the government from making any law “respecting an establishment of religion.” This clause not only forbids the government from establishing an official religion, but also prohibits government actions that unduly favor one religion over another.



  6. by HatetheSwamp on June 27, 2022 12:55 pm

    I wonder if this coach were an adherent of some not-so-popular religion, shouting "allahu akbar" or performing some strange ritual if the SCOTUS would have ruled the same way. I am guessing they'd be less sympathetic.

    I don't know that this was Christian prayer.

    You should know by now that pb despises institutionalized religion. This guy seems to have been being "religious" on his own, in his own way.

    That strikes as being pretty First Amendment stuff.


  7. by HatetheSwamp on June 27, 2022 1:08 pm

    The First Amendment's Establishment Clause prohibits the government from making any law “respecting an establishment of religion.” This clause not only forbids the government from establishing an official religion, but also prohibits government actions that unduly favor one religion over another.

    True.

    What religion was being established in this case?

    The coach was being religious in a very private way though, admittedly, in a public place. There was no Creed involved.

    What's at stake was "the Religion of Joe." It's hard to argue that any religion is being preferred...unless, it's generic belief in A God, and that's unconstitutional hostility to religion.


  8. by HatetheSwamp on June 27, 2022 1:13 pm

    We celebrate today’s Supreme Court decision to protect our right to religious freedom & speech (Kennedy v. Bremerton School) given to us by God & recognized in the US Constitution. “Separation of church & state” doesn’t mean excising religious & spiritual values from our society. -Sweet Tulsi Gabbard


  9. by Curt_Anderson on June 27, 2022 1:20 pm
    HtS,
    Conservatives more than anybody are hypersensitive to what is mentioned in school. They hate any talk about sex, especially homosexuality, as if it would lead their kids astray.

    Schools, through the teachers and coaches, have an influence of students. Offhand, I can't think of any governmental institution that has more influence over people. In that regard, this coach (paid by the tax-payers) unduly favors a particular brand of religion.


  10. by HatetheSwamp on June 27, 2022 1:28 pm

    As far as I know, in this case, what the coach "mentioned" was never at issue.

    You probably need to be using these arguments with someone other than me. pb has no interest at all in Christianity being foisted into the center of the culture.

    What pb grooves on is people being able be permitted to live in freedom. That's what I think this case is about.


  11. by HatetheSwamp on June 28, 2022 4:24 am

    Saw this from woke history prof Robert Mann:

    "Now that SCOTUS has given me the green light, guess I’ll be starting each class session in the fall with a reading from the Koran."

    It stuns me how much blatant Christophobia there is on the left. This case was not about powering Christianity. It's about keeping religion in the public square.


  12. by Donna on June 28, 2022 7:07 am
    There was no first amendment violation. No religion was being established by the government. If you don't want to take part in prayers the coach led, then don't.


  13. by HatetheSwamp on June 28, 2022 7:48 am

    Preach it!


  14. by Curt_Anderson on June 28, 2022 9:34 am
    Donna, seriously?!

    Do you really think there will be a member of the team willing to walk away from the team to express their individualism? If you're a teenage boy hoping to get more playing time, going against the grain wouldn't seem to be the way to achieve it.


  15. by Donna on June 28, 2022 4:46 pm
    Yes, seriously. I never lie.

    If an aspiring athlete were worried about that, he could always fake it.


  16. by Donna on June 28, 2022 4:54 pm
    My 9th grade Social Studies teacher, Mr. D'Amario, was openly liberal and very outspoken in class discussions. Some of my classmates had to be conservative. The odds were way against all of them being liberal. But I don't remember anyone ever arguing with him.

    These are the kinds of things you learn in life. Sometimes it's better to appear to go along in order to get along.


  17. by oldedude on June 28, 2022 5:55 pm
    "Yes, seriously. I never lie."
    Yeah you do. Case in point. you made up a fictitious news story about a guy conceal carrying in a bank. There are several others.


  18. by Donna on June 28, 2022 6:01 pm
    I have no idea what you're referring to, od. You have a history of confusing me with other posters.


  19. by oldedude on June 28, 2022 6:07 pm
    The incidents mentioned were him going to the 50 yard line BY HIMSELF, and taking a knee to pray to his God. The fact that a Hindi agrees with this is pretty good!

    What was not mentioned, was that later on in the year, students would follow him and also pray at mid field. He did not ask them to go with him. Some CHOSE to go and to pray to their God. This was not mentioned in the lawsuit. They fired him for the first paragraph is the issue.

    And "conservatives" do get annoyed when they are not allowed to know what their children are learning. Like my mother said, "if they're hiding something, it's wrong." And Curt, are you saying that parents shouldn't have a say about what their children learn? You ought to try being a conservative in college. You're expected to fall in to line with the rest of the sheep. When you don't, you'll fail. or be kicked out of the school.


  20. by Curt_Anderson on June 28, 2022 6:21 pm
    OD,
    School curriculums should be decided by the school boards, who are elected by the voters. As the Heritage Foundation says, "America is a republic and not a pure democracy." Meaning we elect our representatives to make decisions on our behalf. We don't need parents to micromanage all aspects of governmental activity including classroom curriculums.

    You make a good point about conservatives in college and the pressure they face to go along to get along. I think that's also true in high school including on football teams and to the players who may not be religiously inclined like their coach. Donna's solution is that they should fake their piety. I prefer that people have integrity.


  21. by Donna on June 28, 2022 6:23 pm
    Yes, but you can't control someone else's integrity. You can only control your own response.


  22. by Curt_Anderson on June 28, 2022 7:05 pm
    Donna,
    As a parent who tried to impart integrity to my kids, I hope you are wrong.

    Integrity was stressed in my son's police career. As an applicant, they didn't blackball him for his illegal pot smoking as a minor. They wanted him to honestly report all of his peccadilloes. (He wouldn't have been hired if he committed any serious crimes) In fact, one of his fellow recruits was fired (or maybe not hired) for lying on his application about some relatively minor infraction.


  23. by oldedude on June 28, 2022 7:20 pm
    "School curriculums should be decided by the school boards, who are elected by the voters. As the Heritage Foundation says, "America is a republic and not a pure democracy." Meaning we elect our representatives to make decisions on our behalf. We don't need parents to micromanage all aspects of governmental activity including classroom curriculums."

    I think I have a perfect right to know what my child is being taught in school. Let's reverse it. Your child starts learning and being preached about how good white supremacy is? Or be told by a teacher that gays should be burned at the stake? The strangest thing happened. It is now forbidden in most schools to say the pledge of allegiance in school.

    As a post script, yes, you can actually get a clearance if you smoked weed. If you deny it, you're screwed because you lied. Case in point.

    'Employees at professional services company Ernst & Young (EY) cheated on their ethics exams — leading to a $100 million fine, the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) announced Tuesday.

    EY — known as one of the “big four” accounting firms — admitted that a “significant number” of audit professionals cheated on the ethics portion of their certified public accountant (CPA) exams and continuing education courses, according to a press release from the agency. The company also withheld evidence of the misconduct from officials."
    dailywire.com


  24. by Donna on June 28, 2022 7:21 pm
    That was being smart, because they could check if you told the truth. I would have told the truth in that situation too. In a situation with a coach leading a prayer, though, I can see where a player who isn't religious might find it easier just to fake it rather than make a statement.


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