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Show of support for abortion rights expected at US rallies

By HatetheSwamp
May 14, 2022 8:04 am
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More than 380 events were set from Maine to Hawaii, with the largest gatherings expected in Los Angeles, Chicago, New York and other big cities, organizers said.

Big rallies for big cities in blue states where abortion is legal and nothing is going to change.

Y'know. I was watching video of the demonstrations at the Justices' homes...

...and, I was thinking.

I'm guessing that less than half of those irate people are registered voters. Pro lifers, otoh, are highly organized politically and got their people registered decades ago. This is where, I suspect, the angry ones will be at a disadvantage.

The prolife gang's already prepped for November. You choicers?, probably not so much.


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Comments on "Show of support for abortion rights expected at US rallies":

  1. by Donna on May 15, 2022 12:03 am
    "Big rallies for big cities in blue states where abortion is legal and nothing is going to change."

    They aren't just thinking about themselves.


  2. by HatetheSwamp on May 15, 2022 7:56 am

    "For the women of this country, this will be a summer of rage. We will be ungovernable until this government starts working for us, until the attacks on our bodies let up, until the right to an abortion is codified into law," Women's March President Rachel Carmona said.

    Having lived in purple states nearly all my life, I know this: It's the side that wins hearts that will win the battle to write the legislation that regulates abortion.

    Your nasty women ain't winnin no one over.


    theweek.com


  3. by Curt_Anderson on May 15, 2022 9:52 am
    Voters who are in the 18-29 year-old demographic turn out to vote at rates about 25% below seniors and about 12% below the national average. Just by virtue of their showing up for rallies, pro-choice advocates will sign-up many new voters.

    As I've said before, people vote more out of anger than contentment. Nothing makes people angrier than to have a right taken away.


    electproject.org


  4. by HatetheSwamp on May 15, 2022 11:08 am

    Prolifers have been a committed and organized voting block for decades, hence all those suppressive trigger laws in so many states, especially in red and purple states.

    Here in Purple Pennsylvania, the prolife voting block is rallied through the Roman Catholic Church and Evangelical denominations. Prolife voters are easily stoked and focused. They're given detailed voting guides, which endorse candidates even for local offices where abortion will never be an issue. They're amazing!

    All prolife voters need is a little extra motivation. The November election is only six months away and the voting army is raring to vote, only awaiting instruction on whom to vote for.

    In this purple principality, it's looking like the 022 will be an electoral bloodbath. Later on?, who knows.

    But, we've learned the lesson on appealing gently to the political middle.

    This effin SUMMER OF RAGE? Made to order. Bahahahahahahahahahaha.


  5. by Curt_Anderson on May 15, 2022 11:15 am
    "Prolifers have been a committed and organized voting block for decades..."


    That's your side's problem. Anti-choice voters ALREADY vote at high rates. It will be difficult to increase their voting rates to match the expected increase of pro-choice voters.


  6. by HatetheSwamp on May 15, 2022 12:18 pm

    I doubt that pro-choicers vote in the high numbers you imagine.

    What we both know is that pro-lifers have managed to pass all those trigger laws that have you pi$$ing uncontrollably.

    And, it's not only a matter of numbers. The pro-life vote here is organized in ways that would blow your mind. Those voter guides are detailed and, probably, your side's biggest disadvantage is that you people don't go to church. You can't know how much practical advantage there is in Father Jerry giving anti-abortion announcements at every mass and Pastor Paul doing the same at all the Baptist and Assembly of God worship services...every freakin Sunday.

    You do live on the sunny side of the street, Curt, I know that. But, I don't think that you have any idea what how well suited the other side is for the reality that abortion may soon be regulated through legislatures.

    We've always known that, if the Court overturns Roe, abortion would not be outlawed...from the effin Court.

    We've been preparing. We're prepared. Amazingly, your side seems never to have thought that this day would come.

    I think, in time, you'll catch up in organizing and motivating voters. But, it will take yeeeeeeeeeears! Maybe. MAYBE by 026.


  7. by Donna on May 15, 2022 1:04 pm
    Yes, but if Roe is overturned, abortion will be extremely curtailed or outlawed altogether in states where women would likely be forced to give birth against their will and the advice of their doctors, which IMO is an unconcionable abuse of the state and infringement of personal autonony.


    You know what, though? I hope the conservative SC justices overturn Roe, because like Curt said, Americans don't like it when big brother takes their rights away from them. It could be a big game changer in coming elections.


  8. by HatetheSwamp on May 15, 2022 1:11 pm

    ...abortion will be extremely curtailed or outlawed altogether in states where women would likely be forced to give birth against their will...

    I think you meant that babies will be permitted to pass through the birth canal intact without being chopped into pieces or having their brains sucked out of their heads. I know. A typo.


    Many Americans voted for years solely on the conviction that they didn't like unborn people having no right to be born. Those people are still voting.


  9. by Donna on May 15, 2022 2:06 pm
    You talk a lot about context, but you're conveniently omitting the context surrounding third-trimester abortions and replacing it with a sensationalized and misleading emotional appeal.

    Here's a portion of a conversation between Chris Wallace and Pete Buttigieg about third trimester abortions.

    CHRIS WALLACE: Do you believe, at any point in pregnancy, that there should be any limit on a woman's right to an abortion?

    PETE BUTTIGIEG: I think the dialogue has gotten so caught up on when you draw the line that we've gotten away from the fundamental question of who gets to draw the line, and I trust women to draw the line.

    CW: You would be okay with a woman well into the third trimester to obtain an abortion?

    PB: These hypotheticals are set up to provoke a strong emotional reaction.

    CW: These aren't hypotheticals there are 6,000 women a year who get an abortion in the third trimester.

    PB: That's right, representing less than one percent of cases a year.

    CW: So, let's put ourselves in the shoes of a woman in that situation. If it's that late in your pregnancy, that means almost by definition you've been expecting to carry it to term. We're talking about women who have perhaps chosen the name, women who have purchased the crib, families that then get the most devastating medical news of their lifetime, something about the health or the life of the mother that forces them to make an impossible, unthinkable choice. That decision is not going to be made any better, medically or morally, because the government is dictating how that decision should be made.



    newsweek.com


  10. by Donna on May 15, 2022 2:07 pm
    Oops. I wish there was an edit function. That last comment in Bold type was made by Pete Buttigieg, not Chris Wallace.


  11. by HatetheSwamp on May 15, 2022 2:14 pm

    Two points.

    1. pb has always said here that he supports abortion to save the life of the mother. Very few people, very very few, oppose that provision.
    2. Like isle, you, apparently, have no idea how loathsome the possibility of abortion on demand up to the moment of birth is to many, many people. If your side continues to insist on it, you'll lose on the level of democracy.


  12. by Donna on May 15, 2022 3:41 pm
    I appreciate your first point, but as for your second point, fuck you and your sanctimony. You act like you're the only one on this forum with a heart.


  13. by HatetheSwamp on May 15, 2022 4:15 pm

    Donna,

    As you know, I monitor conservative media closely.

    In the days leading up to the Senate vote on the WHPA, and the days that have followed, people on the right said the same thing over and over again, "Do you know that this law actually would permit abortion up to the moment of birth!!!!!?"

    Whether you like it or not, people find that provision of the law loathsome!

    I'm not being sanctimonious. I'm reporting what I observed.

    In truth, I find that provision loathsome. I'm heartened to know that many share my sentiment.

    And, as I say, nearly EVERYONE agrees that abortion should be legal in order to protect the health of the mother...

    ...but most people strongly oppose the availability of abortion on demand up to the moment of birth.

    If you want to lose this at the level of democracy, i.e., majority rule, push for free access to abortion up to the moment of birth.

    Because, many people find that idea loathsome.

    But if you want to protect the life of the mother, well, almost all of us want that.


  14. by Donna on May 15, 2022 4:55 pm
    Good grief, Bill, only a psychopath would like the idea of killing a child close to when the they would have been born. But there are times, even though it's extremely rare when a mother has to choose between her own life and the life of the child she's been carrying, and there are those of us who believe that that decision should be made by the mother herself. That doesn't make us horrible people.


  15. by Donna on May 15, 2022 11:05 pm
    Bill: I misunderstood your position. Sorry for the F you.

    The truth is, I find late-term abortion loathesome too. I can't imagine having to make the choice between endangering my own life and having my doctor crush the skull of a healthy baby I carried to full term.



  16. by HatetheSwamp on May 16, 2022 4:42 am

    Donna!!!!! But there are times, even though it's extremely rare when a mother has to choose between her own life and the life of the child she's been carrying, and there are those of us who believe that that decision should be made by the mother herself.

    What the hey!!!!!?

    pb believes that abortion should be permitted to protect the life of the mother! He's repeated that many times.

    Either you're daft, or you're being disingenuous.


  17. by Donna on May 16, 2022 1:37 pm
    Good grief, Bill, I apologized!


  18. by HatetheSwamp on May 17, 2022 4:43 am

    Sorry. I hadn't seen all your posts when I wrote that. I am heartened to see that you see reason on that point. That you can gives me hope.


  19. by Donna on May 17, 2022 7:00 am
    Thank you, but that's alright, Bill. We all make mistakes.


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