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I saw 2 UFOs about midnight PST 9/18-9/19

Posted by Hornswoggle 
Sam
Re: I saw 2 UFOs about midnight PST 9/18-9/19
November 11, 2013 03:30AM
I believe there might be some bonafide mind control going on here but I think it's being done by a covert group of very human beings. I think reports of abductions are implanted memories used as fearmongering disinformation. This is done to keep the subject treated with ridicule and keep it waaaay underground. Literally underground even.
Re: I saw 2 UFOs about midnight PST 9/18-9/19
November 11, 2013 03:35AM
For what purpose, Sam?
Sam
Re: I saw 2 UFOs about midnight PST 9/18-9/19
November 11, 2013 03:40AM
Possibly to hide the fact that there really ARE aliens here who are in cahoots with this covert group for a multitude of reasons but more than likely to hide advanced technologies, i.e. free energy to replace oil, nuke, etc. but maybe they want to make as much $$$$$$$$$$ as possible on the resources we have now before it all goes free. The one with all the best toys at the end wins ya know. This elite group will no doubt be in charge of things. Hope I live long enough to see what happens. smiling smiley
Re: I saw 2 UFOs about midnight PST 9/18-9/19
November 11, 2013 03:44AM
I don't understand why you think they would need to abduct people to hide advanced technologies.
Sam
Re: I saw 2 UFOs about midnight PST 9/18-9/19
November 11, 2013 04:57AM
Those in control of the advanced tech don't want others/enemies to know about it so when they are seen it's better for them if people thought of them as alien craft which renders those who sight them mockworthy. Add the false memories of alien abductions and you have the perfect recipe for ridicule=disinformation.
Re: I saw 2 UFOs about midnight PST 9/18-9/19
November 11, 2013 11:57AM
It's very surprising and improbable, that if aliens really are here or have been here as often as some think, that no hard evidence has been found to support that. Believing that earth has been visited by human-like beings from other planetary systems, assuming such planetary systems exist in our galaxy, is very much like believing in the existence of Gods. You can do so but you have to really expand your criteria for what counts as good evidence to do so.
Re: I saw 2 UFOs about midnight PST 9/18-9/19
November 22, 2013 08:22PM
1976 Tehran UFO incident

The 1976 Tehran UFO Incident was a radar and visual sighting of an unidentified flying object (UFO) over Tehran, the capital of Iran, during the early morning hours of 19 September 1976. During the incident, two F-4 Phantom II jet interceptors supposedly lost instrumentation and communications as they approached, only to have them restored upon withdrawal; one of the aircraft also supposedly suffered temporary weapons systems failure, while preparing to open fire.

The incident, recorded in a four-page U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) report distributed to at least the White House, Secretary of State, Joint Chiefs of Staff, National Security Agency (NSA) and Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), remains one of the most well-documented military encounters with anomalous phenomena in history, and various senior Iranian military officers directly involved with the events have gone on public record stating their belief that the object was not of terrestrial origin.

The incident

At approximately 0030 hours local time (2100Z), 19 September 1976, the Imperial Iranian Air Force command post at Tehran received four reports by telephone, from civilians in the Shemiran city district, of unusual activity in the night sky. The callers reported seeing an object similar to a star, but much brighter.[1]

When the command post found no helicopters airborne to account for the reports, they called General Yousefi, assistant deputy commander of operations. General Yousefi at first said the object was only a star, but after conferring with the control tower at Mehrabad International Airport and then looking for himself to see a very bright object larger than a star, he decided to scramble one F-4 Phantom II jet fighter from Shahrokhi Air Force Base in Hamadan, approximately 175 miles (282 km) west of Tehran (for location see map at right).

At 0130 hours (2200Z), the F-4, piloted by Captain Mohammad Reza Azizkhani was launched and proceeded to a point 40 nautical miles (74 km) north of Tehran. It was noted that the object was of such brilliance that it could be seen from 70 miles (110 km) away. When the aircraft approached to approximately 25 nautical miles (46 km) from the object, the jet lost all instrumentation and communications capabilities, prompting Azizkhani to break off the intended intercept and turn back toward Shahrokhi; upon the evasion, both systems resumed functioning.

At 0140 hours, a second F-4 was scrambled, piloted by Lieutenant Parviz Jafari and Lieutenant Jalal Damirian. Jafari would eventually retire as a general and participate on 12 November 2007, at a National Press Club conference demanding a worldwide investigation into UFO phenomena.[2][3][4][5][6] (see also below) Jafari's jet had acquired a radar lock on the object at 27 nautical miles (50 km) range. The radar signature of the UFO resembled that of a Boeing 707 aircraft. Closing on the object at 150 nautical miles (280 km) per hour and at a range of 25 nautical miles (46 km), the object began to move, keeping a steady distance of 25 nautical miles (46 km) from the F-4. The size of the object was difficult to determine due to its intense brilliance. The lights of the object were alternating blue, green, red, and orange, and were arranged in a square pattern. The lights flashed in sequence, but the flashing was so rapid that they all could be seen at once.

While the object and the F-4 continued on a southerly path, a smaller second object detached itself from the first and advanced on the F-4 at high speed. Lieutenant Jafari, thinking he was under attack, tried to launch an AIM-9 sidewinder missile, but he suddenly lost all instrumentation, including weapons control, and all communication. He later stated he attempted to eject, but to no avail, as this system, which is entirely mechanical, also malfunctioned. Jafari then instituted a turn and a negative G dive as evasive action. The object fell in behind him at about 3 to 4 nautical miles (7.4 km) distance for a short time, then turned and rejoined the primary object.

Once again, as soon as the F-4 had turned away, instrumentation and communications were regained. The F-4 crew then saw another brightly lit object detach itself from the other side of the primary object and drop straight down at high speed. The F-4 crew expected it to impact the ground and explode, but it came to rest gently.
The F-4 crew then overflew the site at a decreased altitude and marked the position of the light's touchdown. Jafari would later comment that the object was so bright that it lit up the ground and he could see rocks around it. The object had touched down near Rey Oil Refinery on the outskirts of Iran. Then they landed at Mehrabad, noting that each time they passed through a magnetic bearing of 150 degrees from Mehrabad, they experienced interference and communications failure.

A civilian airliner that was approaching Mehrabad also experienced a loss of communications at the same position relative to Mehrabad. As the F-4 was on final approach, they sighted yet another object, cylinder-shaped, with bright, steady lights on each end and a flashing light in the middle. The object overflew the F-4 as they were on approach. Mehrabad tower reported no other aircraft in the area, but tower personnel were able to see the object when given directions by Jafari. Years later, the main controller and an investigating general revealed that the object also overflew the control tower and knocked out all of its electronic equipment as well (see below).

The next day, the F-4 crew flew out in a helicopter to the site where they had seen the smaller object land. In the daylight, it was determined to be a dry lake bed, but no traces could be seen. They then circled the area to the west and picked up a noticeable "beeper" signal. The signal was loudest near a small house, so they landed and questioned the occupants of the house about any unusual events of the previous night. They reported a loud noise and a bright light like lightning.

Further investigation of the landing site, including radiation testing of the area was apparently done, but the results were never made public. Since this event occurred before the fall of the Shah, any records in Tehran may be lost.

Rest at [en.wikipedia.org]



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 11/23/2013 12:44PM by Hornswoggle.
Re: I saw 2 UFOs about midnight PST 9/18-9/19
November 23, 2013 09:35PM
In past times, the defense of UFO believers was that such events were rare and unpredictable. That defense is now unavailable to them. With the proliferation of cellphone cameras, much more footage is available of events that the average citizen might never see in their lifetime. For any given event witnessed by humans, odds are someone is going to have a cellphone available to film it. A couple decades ago, footage like this was unavailable to the average person: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VeX_fIwoI4 In the past, rare, unpredictable events like tornados and tsunamis, car accidents, crimes, were things that you read and heard about, but rarely saw except as a rare clip on the evening news. Now, with the advent of cellphone cameras and youtube, hours of footage of such events is at our fingertips.

Footage of UFO's has not followed the same pattern — it remains relegated to shaky, blurry recordings of lights in the sky. These recordings are often somewhat mysterious, and worthy of investigation, but this failure to follow the pattern of other phenomena should serve as a disinclination to believe in alien visitation theories.
Re: I saw 2 UFOs about midnight PST 9/18-9/19
November 23, 2013 11:59PM
Well not really. The camera technology in most cell phone cameras does an inadequate job capturing nighttime images and images of objects that are far away. For example, when you take a cell phone camera picture of the Moon, it appears as a small white blob that doesn't even resemble the Moon. The other problem is that electronic instruments tend to malfunction when in the vicinity of these advanced crafts. My previous post contains numerous examples of that.

But the real problem with cell phone images is that regardless of how authentic the camera image may appear, there's always the possibility that it was photoshopped. For that reason I don't put much stock in photo evidence. I focus on things like who reported it, how many people saw it, what they described, and accompanying radar evidence when it's available.
Re: I saw 2 UFOs about midnight PST 9/18-9/19
November 24, 2013 12:55AM
"The camera technology in most cell phone cameras does an inadequate job capturing nighttime images and images of objects that are far away."

Yes, we can rule out plenty of circumstances when cellphones would not be up to the task, but a decent chunk of the entire world's population has a phone camera on them most of the time. While footage of some phenomena like tornados is available by the boatload, other phenomena is not. Hmmm. Maybe the UFO's only fly at night, now, and keep a few miles away from anyone talking on the phone.

"The other problem is that electronic instruments tend to malfunction when in the vicinity of these advanced crafts."

Can you tell me more about this disabling of our cellphones? I think you said before that the presumption is that they emit radiation which disables our portable devices. Is this emission equal all around the craft, or is it a targeted beam from the craft to the cellphone? Does it not seem a bit convenient that this emission is strong enough to disable cellphones (only temporarily, of course), but doesn't give anyone near the craft a sunburn or radiation sickness, and leaves no trace of radiation in the environment? Why do the UFO's not want our cellphones to work, but they allow themselves to be detected by radar? Why do the UFO's care if we record them, when they clearly don't care that we can see them, and they clearly have the technology to not be seen? Do peoples' TV sets go all static when these craft fly over at low altitude? Sometimes or all the time? If not all the time, why not? Have you ever heard of a massive cellphone outage? Not the cell service, but the phones themselves? Or, again, do only the cellphones taking pictures of UFO's tend to fail? Do street lights get brighter? Do automobiles fail?

I could go on forever. This "cellphones don't work near UFO's" stuff just seems like silliness to me.

"there's always the possibility that it was photoshopped."


My post was about video. Video can also be faked, but the likelihood of a good fake goes down, as compared to a still photo. What the UFO phenomena needs, among other things, to be validated is for an unrelated group of people to witness an up-close event, film it from different angles, and post it. Five years since the proliferation of cameraphones and we're still waiting for that. Tick tock.
Re: I saw 2 UFOs about midnight PST 9/18-9/19
November 24, 2013 02:18AM
Electronic equipment tends to fail around these crafts. There have been literally thousands of examples, some of which I've posted. Coronal Mass Ejections also cause electronic interference.

Instead of trying to debunk alien UFOs in the abstract, why don't you comment on the 1976 Tehran UFO incident or one of the other UFO incidents I've posted?
Re: I saw 2 UFOs about midnight PST 9/18-9/19
November 24, 2013 02:39AM
"Electronic equipment tends to fail around these crafts. There have been literally thousands of examples, some of which I've posted. "

Circular.

"Coronal Mass Ejections also cause electronic interference."

Yes, the phenomena is real, but in a manner very unlike your UFO inflicted failures. CME's don't pick and choose whose electronics to shut down. Something tells me that if cameraphones came from the factory with six inches of EM shielding, the UFO's would find another way to elude them.

"Instead of trying to debunk alien UFOs in the abstract, why don't you comment on the 1976 Tehran UFO incident or one of the other UFO incidents I've posted?"

I'm not just discussing the matter in the abstract. I would love for you to tell me specific information about cameraphone disabling. How strong is this field? How far does it extend? Why does it affect some devices and not others? Are all of the devices disabled temporarily, or are some broken permanently? What other symptoms of this phenomena do we see besides cameraphone disabling? I asked plenty of questions like this, and you just repeated what you said earlier.
Re: I saw 2 UFOs about midnight PST 9/18-9/19
November 24, 2013 06:10AM
Now that we're talking again, Navy smiling smiley - perhaps you'll answer my question for the board... does the US Navy acknowledge the existence (or possible existence) of UFOs in any way? Was the issue ever broached in training or perhaps in some instructional manual or something?

Just thought the board might like to know the military's "official" position in that regard.
Re: I saw 2 UFOs about midnight PST 9/18-9/19
November 24, 2013 08:59PM
None of the devices are damaged permanently.

What other symptoms of this phenomena do we see besides cameraphone disabling? - Navy

If you had bothered to read about the 1976 Tehran UFO incident, you would have found other examples just in that one report. I even highlighted the more pertinent or interesting parts.

If you were really interested in the subject, you'd read the reports.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 11/24/2013 09:01PM by Hornswoggle.
Re: I saw 2 UFOs about midnight PST 9/18-9/19
November 24, 2013 11:15PM
"If you were really interested in the subject, you'd read the reports."

I'm not particularly interested in the subject. I've read "the reports" you've presented in the past, and they don't lead me anywhere. They're all anectdotal. I don't read them anymore. If you were truly interested in the subject, including the possiblity that there is a simple explanation for UFO's that does not include anything dramatic like alien visitation or government conspiracies, you wouldn't simply pick and choose when our current understanding of physics applies, and you'd fully investigate the problem of cameraphone proliferation and be able to speak easily on the matter.
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