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Wisdom in an unlikely place

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Re: Wisdom in an unlikely place
June 09, 2012 07:12PM
And SCIENCE contradicts the bible - left and RIGHT.

Things known certainly to be true: the bible exists. That's about it, as far as that goes.

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*Sanders 2016*

"And these children that you spit on
As they try to change their worlds
Are immune to your consultations
They're quite aware of what they're going through"
Anonymous User
Re: Wisdom in an unlikely place
June 09, 2012 07:20PM
sardonicadonis Wrote:
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> And SCIENCE contradicts the bible - left and
> RIGHT.

That would only even be possible if the law of non-contradiction holds. According to you, "science" contradicts non-contradiction!


> Things known certainly to be true: the bible
> exists. That's about it, as far as that goes.

Wow - so the Bible's existence is more evident to you than your own? Handy insight, there. I'm adding it to my collection.
Re: Wisdom in an unlikely place
June 09, 2012 07:22PM
CTD, maybe you can explain for us how the observable universe itself presents a case for the Earth coming about before the sun and all the other stars did.

Science does not contradict the Bible just to be all atheistic and contradict it. Science contradicts the Bible because by any systematic and logical examination of the facts it is left with no other option.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/09/2012 07:23PM by Ponderer.
Anonymous User
Re: Wisdom in an unlikely place
June 09, 2012 07:36PM
I CAN explain quite a few things. As you know, I have a habit of doing what's appropriate rather than falling for childish baiting tactics. I am unconvinced an exception is in order.

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"The only distinct meaning of the word 'natural' is STATED, FIXED or SETTLED; since what is natural as much requires and presupposes an intelligent agent to render it so, i.e., to effect it continually or at stated times, as what is supernatural or miraculous does to effect it for once."
Butler: "Analogy of Revealed Religion"

This is what the honest are here to discuss.
Re: Wisdom in an unlikely place
June 09, 2012 07:56PM
So any question that anyone asks that leaves you unwilling to give an answer to is "childish baiting tactics"?

As I know, you have a habit of avoiding perfectly relevant questions that you don't like the answers to.

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Anonymous User
Re: Wisdom in an unlikely place
June 09, 2012 08:01PM
Ponderer Wrote:
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> So any question that anyone asks that leaves you
> unwilling to give an answer to is "childish
> baiting tactics"?
>
> As I know, you have a habit of avoiding perfectly
> relevant questions that you don't like the answers
> to.

It is against scoffer religion to ask relevant questions. This is a matter of observation, and the sample size is hardly small, even locally.
Re: Wisdom in an unlikely place
June 09, 2012 08:06PM
As I know, and as you are never at a loss to confirm, you have a habit of avoiding perfectly relevant questions that you don't like the answers to.

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Sam
Re: Wisdom in an unlikely place
June 09, 2012 08:08PM
You must be really bored, Pondy, because I KNOW you don't really expect anything meaningful or sensible to come from this questioning...
Anonymous User
Re: Wisdom in an unlikely place
June 09, 2012 08:21PM
The propagandistic employment of the term 'supernatural' can't even hold up in hypothetical scenarios. Take Star Trek TNG's popular character Q, for example. "Natural" or "Supernatural"?

If Q were "natural", why did they never investigate? How would one proceed to investigate? Yet to designate Q "supernatural" is to suggest Q's creator was unable to restrict Q with any laws - tremendously absurd.

Scoffer definitions are arbitrary, and lacking in substance; there is NO CORE CONCEPT being described - only what this or that individual fancies, chooses to wish.
Re: Wisdom in an unlikely place
June 09, 2012 08:25PM
Nothing is supernatural. It's an arbitrary term applied to what is "above" (super) "natural" (natural) explaination. It doesn't hold any deeper meaning; that fact that the term exists doesn't mean that there necessarily is or has to be something "supernatural".

Nothing is supernatural. Everything and anything we can experience in this universe is 100% Natural.

============================================================================

*Sanders 2016*

"And these children that you spit on
As they try to change their worlds
Are immune to your consultations
They're quite aware of what they're going through"
Anonymous User
Re: Wisdom in an unlikely place
June 09, 2012 08:25PM
If God made an angel to be in charge of the north wind, would it not be in the angel's nature to command the wind? Would it not be in the wind's nature to obey?
Re: Wisdom in an unlikely place
June 09, 2012 08:33PM
It could be, if that were how it worked.

But we know how the Earth's atmosphere works; how changes in temperature create pressure, resulting in the phonomenon we call "wind". It's a part of nature, wind is natural, but the wind does not have a nature, and there is no angel commanding the wind to do anything. You're twisting words in a very misleading way. Shame on you.

============================================================================

*Sanders 2016*

"And these children that you spit on
As they try to change their worlds
Are immune to your consultations
They're quite aware of what they're going through"
Anonymous User
Re: Wisdom in an unlikely place
June 09, 2012 08:48PM
Pass.

Really, no threat in that pile.
Re: Wisdom in an unlikely place
June 09, 2012 08:48PM
Fail Yahweh.

Hail Sagan !!

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*Sanders 2016*

"And these children that you spit on
As they try to change their worlds
Are immune to your consultations
They're quite aware of what they're going through"



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/09/2012 08:52PM by sardonicadonis.
Sam
Re: Wisdom in an unlikely place
June 09, 2012 08:57PM
Hail Satan!
Anonymous User
Re: Wisdom in an unlikely place
June 09, 2012 09:47PM
[creation.com]

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Richard Lewontin
We take the side of science in spite of the patent absurdity of some of its constructs, in spite of its failure to fulfill many of its extravagant promises of health and life, in spite of the tolerance of the scientific community for unsubstantiated just-so stories, because we have a prior commitment, a commitment to materialism.

See how things work?

Did any of you really think someone took some test tubes and proved God doesn't exist? How could that be possible! Experiments cannot even prove what happened last week - no experiment can.

No, let's see some more of this commitment

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It is not that the methods and institutions of science somehow compel us to accept a material explanation of the phenomenal world, but, on the contrary, that we are forced by our a priori adherence to material causes to create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts that produce material explanations, no matter how counter-intuitive, no matter how mystifying to the uninitiated. Moreover, that materialism is an absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door.

"A priori." Not a typical English term. Still, let there be no mystery.

[dictionary.reference.com]
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adjective
1.
from a general law to a particular instance; valid independently of observation. Compare a posteriori ( def. 1 ) .
2.
existing in the mind prior to and independent of experience, as a faculty or character trait. Compare a posteriori ( def. 2 ) .
3.
not based on prior study or examination; nonanalytic: an a priori judgment.

It's an appropriate way to describe an assumption, dogma, unjustified presupposition, assertion, and such. Very few a priori premises are valid.

What are the valid exceptions? The law of cause and effect and the law of non-contradiction are considered "a priori" by some philosophers because they don't like the proofs involved.

* sardonicadonis is one of 3 local atheists who deny the law of non-contradiction.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/09/2012 09:50PM by CTD.
Anonymous User
Re: Wisdom in an unlikely place
June 09, 2012 09:58PM
Now what the "Naturalist" never discloses is that he simply designates things "supernatural" on a whim - that no criteria beyond his personal likes and dislikes is applied.

What's their own myth? They say Zeus was the explanation of lightning, right? Now if "supernatural" things cannot be investigated, we cannot ever find out anything about lightning. Ben Franklin was a foolish "supernaturalist" for even acknowledging its existence - if you apply what they claim you must believe.

What's been offered? Did you see what's already been presented in the thread? "Things which cannot be explained by natural laws". So if you can't explain something, you can't investigate?

Oh, but there's a retreat, which when called on the deception, they always take. They'll say instead things which COULDN'T be explained by natural laws. But who knows what the undiscovered laws are? You can't discover without looking.

It's just more you-can't-knowism, just another doctrine to forbid learning.
Re: Wisdom in an unlikely place
June 09, 2012 10:02PM
Please quote me, expressly making any such "denial". Your audience is dying to know. Until then, you're attacking a straw Adonis.

Also, you have not addressed the contradictions between the bible, and every day reality - for instance, the sun clearly did NOT come before the earth, and light certainly did not come before the sun. Flowering plants didn't come around for b-b-b-b-b-b-billionss of years - they're actually a fairly recent evolutionary phenomenon, as far as these things go.

But you don't care to address these issues. You'd rather create and attack straw atheists, with straw positions. They're much easier to defeat then the glaring contradictions with reality that exist in your "infallible word of god".

============================================================================

*Sanders 2016*

"And these children that you spit on
As they try to change their worlds
Are immune to your consultations
They're quite aware of what they're going through"
Anonymous User
Re: Wisdom in an unlikely place
June 09, 2012 10:08PM
Translation's not difficult.

"Please stop discussing the topic and play 1000-silly-atheist-questions instead!"
Re: Wisdom in an unlikely place
June 09, 2012 10:18PM
CTD writes,

[quote="The only distinct meaning of the word 'natural' is STATED, FIXED or SETTLED;][/quote]

Nature is anything but fixed or settled-- it is always in movement, ever-changing. CTD is so out of touch with modern scientific thought that he might as well be a Medieval alchemist.
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