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Oldest Human Figurine Ever Discovered ... And Guess What? ... IT'S THE GODDESS!

Posted by Paleoliberal 
Oldest Human Figurine Ever Discovered ... And Guess What? ... IT'S THE GODDESS!
May 21, 2009 05:57AM
You people should really be nicer to the old gal. She was around long before the patriarchal religions started swinging their ... uh, stuff .. around the world.

"This figurine, which is the earliest depiction of a human, and one of the oldest known examples of figurative art worldwide, was made at least 35,000 years ago ...

... The figurine was worn as a pendant. Beneath the shoulders, which are roughly as thick as they are wide, large breasts project forward. The figurine has two short arms with two carefully carved hands with visible fingers resting on the upper part of the stomach below the breasts.

... The legs of the Venus are short and pointy. The buttocks and genitals are depicted in more details. The split between the two halves of the buttocks is deep and continues without interruption to the front of the figurine where the vulva is visible between the open legs. There can be no doubt that the depiction of oversized breast, exentuated buttocks and genetalia result from the deliberate exaggeration of the sexual features of the figurine. In addition to the many carefully depicted anatomical features, the surface of the Venus preserves numerous lines and deliberate markings."


http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/05/090514084126.htm



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 05/21/2009 05:59AM by Paleoliberal.
What makes you think it depicts a goddess?
Re: Oldest Human Figurine Ever Discovered ... And Guess What? ... IT'S THE GODDESS!
May 21, 2009 06:25AM
It seems to be a fairly obvious fertility idol.

Maybe it was, but we've got no reason to assume that. Maybe it was a teaching aid for stone age sex education? Or maybe stone age pornography by teenage boys letting off sexual tension? [www.livescience.com]
Re: Oldest Human Figurine Ever Discovered ... And Guess What? ... IT'S THE GODDESS!
May 21, 2009 07:05AM
We've got plenty of reason to assume that. Museums are full of extremely similar objects that are conclusively known to be fertility idols. Do you know of any known examples of similar objects that fit your assertions? A goddess or fertility figure is simply the most likely and common possibility.

Re: Oldest Human Figurine Ever Discovered ... And Guess What? ... IT'S THE GODDESS!
May 21, 2009 08:09AM
Great Post Paleo and in line with where this thread turned. [www.selectsmart.com]

Pond: Interestingly enough they may not have been religious at all or to do with Gods which everything that archaeologists pull out of the ground seems to be assumed to be. I noticed an interesting anthropological phenomenon as I worked on a potato machine in the UK. One of my female co-workers had a fascination with moulding clay phalluses with the leftover clay from the potatoes.

That's not to say I don't think Godesses were originally worshipped that I do and there is a ton of evidence for it merely that many of the things archaeologists are so quick to call Gods that they pull from the ground may have more relatively day to day reasons and functions.

In this case the fertility figurine follows a long historical record of similar fertility figurines from across Ancient Europe such as the famous "Venus of Willendorf" and Maltese fertility figurines making it almost certainly a fertility/goddess figurine.

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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 05/21/2009 08:15AM by Kairos.
Jenson,
I had the same thought. Who is to say that the figurine wasn't pre-historic porn? For that matter, the similar objects that Ponderer said are "conclusively" known to be fertility idols could well be early pornography. Archaeologists, scientists and museum curators are making educated guesses but they are still just guesses. Up until recently certain dinosaurs skeletons were "conclusively" identified as Brontosauri. Now we know that they were really Apatasauri.
Re: Oldest Human Figurine Ever Discovered ... And Guess What? ... IT'S THE GODDESS!
May 21, 2009 08:45AM
Uh Curt. Now I don't want to be PC here. Unless pregnant females were a cross-cultural pornographic fascination they were most likely fertility idols or Goddesses.




Venus of Willendorf





Maltese fertility figurines



Fertility Goddess Catal Huyuk

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President Eisenhower



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Sam
Re: Oldest Human Figurine Ever Discovered ... And Guess What? ... IT'S THE GODDESS!
May 21, 2009 08:45AM
It could be a sculpture of the carver's wife or girlfriend that he wore around his neck for luck...or to scare off wild animals...It figures it wouldn't have a head as men are obviously only interested in things below the chin of a woman...winking smiley
Re: Oldest Human Figurine Ever Discovered ... And Guess What? ... IT'S THE GODDESS!
May 21, 2009 09:00AM
On second look the photos Paleo posted almost look comical. [www.youtube.com]

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"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed."

President Eisenhower
Kairos,
I would have responded sooner, but I got distracted and then aroused by all those sexy pictures you just posted. Anyway those figurines don't look pregnant, they look zaftig, a look that would have been considered hot in cultures that frequently went hungry.
Re: Oldest Human Figurine Ever Discovered ... And Guess What? ... IT'S THE GODDESS!
May 21, 2009 09:06AM
[www.youtube.com]

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"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed."

President Eisenhower
Re: Oldest Human Figurine Ever Discovered ... And Guess What? ... IT'S THE GODDESS!
May 21, 2009 09:11AM
To each their own Curt!

Actually I have heard similar observations from my South Arican friend about the tastes of African men... So you could be right.

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"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed."

President Eisenhower



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Re: Oldest Human Figurine Ever Discovered ... And Guess What? ... IT'S THE GODDESS!
May 21, 2009 09:43AM
I don't see any reason to believe it was a goddess or a fertility idol or porn. It could be any of the above or none. It seems their expression of sexuality was more fluid, and I kind of doubt they drew distinctions between porn and idols and art like we do. I don't see reason to believe it was deified any more than the other things depicted in their art. I think I know what I would use it for if I were a cave woman, I would wear that pendant to send a message to my beloved. I doubt they had many selections of sexy lingerie among their animal skins back then. grinning smiley
myce Wrote:
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> It could be any of
> the above or none.

Or both. Marilyn Monroe was a sex goddess who is still worshipped by many men, many of them heterosexuals.
Re: Oldest Human Figurine Ever Discovered ... And Guess What? ... IT'S THE GODDESS!
May 21, 2009 11:12AM
In tantra there is not much of a distinction between sexuality, art and spirituality.

Perhaps our language generally divides and categorize things that don't necessarily need to be divided or categorized.

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"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed."

President Eisenhower
I think Kairos is right about that. Our society has a strange tendency to degrade sexuality and treat it as dirty and like it belongs in the gutter, rather than integrate it as a legitimate subject of high art and outlet of spiritual expression.

I think there's a pretty good chance that these figures are probably simultaneously both sexual idols and spiritually inspired pieces of artwork.
Re: Oldest Human Figurine Ever Discovered ... And Guess What? ... IT'S THE GODDESS!
May 21, 2009 03:48PM
I recognise that the term "conclusive" in archaeology is a relative term.

I think the term "idol" has something of a loaded meaning today. These things may even have been little more than good luck charms. But even as that they still would have been seen as having a somewhat spiritual nature to them. Especially back in those times.

Lord and Lady, that dates back far further than I expected!

Winston
"Our society has a strange tendency to degrade sexuality and treat it as dirty and like it belongs in the gutter, rather than integrate it as a legitimate subject of high art and outlet of spiritual expression. "

Agreed wholheartedly. I think we'd be a lot healthier as a society and as people if we could embrace our sexuality and our bodies without the guilt and shame and pain. It is such a natural, inherent and pure part of life yet we demonise it so thoroughly...

FS

Every day you may make progress. Every step may be fruitful. Yet there will stretch out before you an ever-lengthening, ever-ascending, ever-improving path. You know you will never get to the end of the journey. But this, so far from discouraging, only adds to the joy and glory of the climb.
-Sir Winston Churchill
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