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If you have ever had negative thoughts about Yahweh, you are close to a Gnostic Christian.

You have shown that you can think freely and have a decent moral sense as compared to Christians and their less than moral sense that allows them to adore a genocidal God.

John Lennon, “It seems to me that the only true Christians were the Gnostics,”

In fact, many think that the best Christians are Gnostic Christians. Even if you are an atheist, you are likely a better Christian than most Christians as their morals have been corrupted by their beliefs enough to have them adore a vile genocidal God that Gnostic Christians call demiurge. In a sense, not that she exists, but demiurge is equivalent to Satan.

Please remember that Gnostic Christians so not hold any supernatural beliefs and religiously speaking, create much more peaceful people than Christians. The Cathars were a good example of this truth.

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Are you close to a Gnostic Christian in how you can think freely and morally?

Regards
DL
"If you have ever had negative thoughts about Yahweh, you are close to a Gnostic Christian."

Is this the sign of doubters or just being intellegent.

In wicca, we say blind faith is for the weak.
The strong go out & seek information.

Likewise, I had doubt about this one god of monotheism.

I don't knock what anyone else believes; jews, xian * muslims can have good people,
but the religions themselve & the god are not.

~Angel


America is plagued with an epidemic
of the Dunning-Kruger Effect.
D-K affects nearly every family.

You have to know, the real Dunning-Kruger
effects fake liberals to make them
think that they know everything.
No matter how many facts you
show them, they don't learn or accept.

Too many people are brainwashed into
believing their political party is benevolent.
While both are deep state knights & pawns.

We need outsiders like Donald Trump.

Do not confuse the Dunning-Kruger Effect
with the Dumb-Krueger Effect, started by
pseudo-psychologist to attack MAGAites.

The cure for Dumb-Krueger is knowlege!
May the facts be with you.
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angel.us
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"If you have ever had negative thoughts about Yahweh, you are close to a Gnostic Christian."

Is this the sign of doubters or just being intellegent.

I do not recognize (much) of a difference as intelligent people will doubt everything new and then accept something only after passing it through their intelligent minds.

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In wicca, we say blind faith is for the weak.

Wicca is softer and gentler than I.

I say faith without facts is for fools.

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The strong go out & seek information.

Likewise, I had doubt about this one god of monotheism.

Intelligent.

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I don't knock what anyone else believes; jews, xian * muslims can have good people,
but the religions themselve & the god are not.

I will give you half points for this last.

To my way of thinking, all those who fly the cross or the star and crescent all contribute to the evils that come out of their religions.

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Both Christianity and Islam have basically developed into intolerant, homophobic and misogynous religions. Both religions have grown themselves by the sword instead of good deeds and continue with their immoral ways in spite of secular law showing them the moral ways.

Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds. That means Jesus would not recognize Christians and Muslims as his people, and neither do I. Jesus would call Christianity and Islam abominations.

Gnostic Christians did in the past, and I am proudly continuing that tradition and honest irrefutable evaluation based on morality.

Regards
DL
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I do not recognize (much) of a difference as intelligent people will doubt everything new and then accept something only after passing it through their intelligent minds.

We think alike. Perhaps I should read more on this Gnostic xian thing.

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Wicca is softer and gentler than I.

I do not see it that way. It sounds like semantics to me.
We both profess learning, not following blindly


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The strong go out & seek information.

Again, I say 'faith without facts is for fools.'
And the strong do go out & learn . . only by questioning too.

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Likewise, I had doubt about this one god of monotheism.

I had to doubt any god who let his son be tortured & murdered.


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Angel: I don't knock what anyone else believes; jews, xian * muslims can have good people,
but the religions themselve & the god are not.

I will give you half points for this last.

We cannot hold every one responsible for other & the god of their religion.
Many are lied to & ignorant. Just as people in a country are not resposible
for the actions of their governments.


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Both Christianity and Islam have basically developed into intolerant, homophobic and misogynous religions. Both religions have grown themselves by the sword instead of good deeds and continue with their immoral ways in spite of secular law showing them the moral ways.

Agreed, but again, many people are powerless sheep. You can't blame all of them for the few,
or even the few for the many.

Likewise, one upon a time I met a woman. I feel in love. But she was catholic.
I said once why not leave if you have all these differences, and we had a conversation.
But the point is she was a wonderful person & I loved her.


~Angel
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Agreed, but again, many people are powerless sheep. You can't blame all of them for the few,
or even the few for the many.

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There are interesting stats at the end of this link.

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FMPOV. All who fly the cross or the star and crescent all contribute to their religions and should all take the blame or kudos for whatever the religious in those religions do.

In WWII, when we saw a swastika on an arm, we did not ask the wearer if he was one of the good ones or not before we let the bullets fly.

I see this situation as an analogy to what I put for the cross and star and crescent. Garbage is garbage and all the religionists are adding to the garbage.

My attitude is what I meant with the Wiccans being softer and kinder. I cannot be softened as I put truth and integrity above all else.

Regards
DL
"My attitude is what I meant with the Wiccans being softer and kinder. I cannot be softened as I put truth and integrity above all else."

I agree, because I am who I am too. I am a taoist before I am a Wiccan.
And my god is that of a great warrior, who want me to fight for what I believe in.

So...


"In WWII, when we saw a swastika on an arm, we did not ask the wearer if he was one of the good ones or not before we let the bullets fly."

This mentallity is flawed. Because we cannot judge all swastika wearers/bearers are nazis.
Some may be Hindu or Germanic vikings.

However, in war time, such mistakes are common.
In war time I would not wave such a symbol that could be misconstrued.

~Angel


America is plagued with an epidemic
of the Dunning-Kruger Effect.
D-K affects nearly every family.

You have to know, the real Dunning-Kruger
effects fake liberals to make them
think that they know everything.
No matter how many facts you
show them, they don't learn or accept.

Too many people are brainwashed into
believing their political party is benevolent.
While both are deep state knights & pawns.

We need outsiders like Donald Trump.

Do not confuse the Dunning-Kruger Effect
with the Dumb-Krueger Effect, started by
pseudo-psychologist to attack MAGAites.

The cure for Dumb-Krueger is knowlege!
May the facts be with you.
"And my god is that of a great warrior,"

Gnostic Christianity teaches that when we meditate/seek God, it is easier to open our third eye if we use some of the writings of Jesus and even our own mental image of him to help us open our third eye.

Even Olympic class coaches tell their athletes to visually see themselves as winners or succeeding in reaching their goals.

I hope that that is how you use your great warrior.

Seek God.
If you think you have found one, anywhere and anyone but yourself, you are just another idol worshiper.

Regards
DL
My warrior god tell me to fight for what's right.
The situation may change, but the message does not.

"If you think you have found one, anywhere and anyone but yourself, you are just another idol worshiper."

I have said, the same. The true god lies within (not without).

~Angel


America is plagued with an epidemic
of the Dunning-Kruger Effect.
D-K affects nearly every family.

You have to know, the real Dunning-Kruger
effects fake liberals to make them
think that they know everything.
No matter how many facts you
show them, they don't learn or accept.

Too many people are brainwashed into
believing their political party is benevolent.
While both are deep state knights & pawns.

We need outsiders like Donald Trump.

Do not confuse the Dunning-Kruger Effect
with the Dumb-Krueger Effect, started by
pseudo-psychologist to attack MAGAites.

The cure for Dumb-Krueger is knowlege!
May the facts be with you.
Perfect reply angel.

Regards
DL
Interesting discussion. I was raised in a Lutheran family. We were very active in church and I never doubted its teachings...

until I read the Bible cover to cover. I was about 20.

I'm 61 now. and I'm kind of embarrassed to admit that I didn't know anything about Gnosticism until I read this post. I've heard of it though.

I just did some reading on Gnosticism. I can't say I'm a Gnostic.



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Hornswoggle
Interesting discussion. I was raised in a Lutheran family. We were very active in church and I never doubted its teachings...

I was also raised Christian (catholic, but unknowing to the differences).

I never had doubts, only questions.


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until I read the Bible cover to cover. I was about 20.

Well, that's a good place to start!


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I'm 61 now. and I'm kind of embarrassed to admit that I didn't know anything about Gnosticism until I read this post. I've heard of it though.

You shouldn't be embarressed. No one can known everything.


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I just did some reading on Gnosticism. I can't say I'm a Gnostic.

I should read some more on it too.

~Angel


America is plagued with an epidemic
of the Dunning-Kruger Effect.
D-K affects nearly every family.

You have to know, the real Dunning-Kruger
effects fake liberals to make them
think that they know everything.
No matter how many facts you
show them, they don't learn or accept.

Too many people are brainwashed into
believing their political party is benevolent.
While both are deep state knights & pawns.

We need outsiders like Donald Trump.

Do not confuse the Dunning-Kruger Effect
with the Dumb-Krueger Effect, started by
pseudo-psychologist to attack MAGAites.

The cure for Dumb-Krueger is knowlege!
May the facts be with you.
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Hornswoggle
Interesting discussion. I was raised in a Lutheran family. We were very active in church and I never doubted its teachings...

until I read the Bible cover to cover. I was about 20.

I'm 61 now. and I'm kind of embarrassed to admit that I didn't know anything about Gnosticism until I read this post. I've heard of it though.

I just did some reading on Gnosticism. I can't say I'm a Gnostic.

We are quite close to atheism and agnosticism in that we are free thinkers.
We also call what we have a religion because we recognize the tribal needs that people have and cater to it.

Even atheists recognize that need and that is why they are opening atheist churches.
They seem to know that if the do not cater to their families tribal needs their children and grand children might fall into the more stupidly supernatural based religions.

Gnostic Christianity sits between atheism without churches and the supernatural based religions and their requirements that their followers be brain dead.

Regards
DL
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Even atheists recognize that need and that is why they are opening atheist churches.
They seem to know that if the do not cater to their families tribal needs their children and grand children might fall into the more stupidly supernatural based religions.

Read more on this:

[www.bbc.com]

[en.wikipedia.org]

[www.usatoday.com]
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