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Empathy - An Old Fashioned Notion Whose Time Has Passed?

Posted by Ponderer 
Re: Empathy - An Old Fashioned Notion Whose Time Has Passed?
February 15, 2015 09:43AM
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Sam
I think of sympathy as feeling sorry for someone and empathy as being able to feel whatever someone else is feeling.

I understand the definitions, but I sincerely doubt that a person can really know, much less feel, what another person is feeling. A person can maybe relate or recall a similar incident, but our feelings are uniquely our own. It's presumptuous to say one knows the depth of another person's despair or the nature of their sorrow.




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Re: Empathy - An Old Fashioned Notion Whose Time Has Passed?
February 15, 2015 12:07PM
"I understand the definitions, but I sincerely doubt that a person can really know, much less feel, what another person is feeling." -Curt

That's as may be.

But empathy is about trying anyway.
Sam
Re: Empathy - An Old Fashioned Notion Whose Time Has Passed?
February 15, 2015 03:56PM
For some it's about trying NOT to.
Re: Empathy - An Old Fashioned Notion Whose Time Has Passed?
February 15, 2015 08:15PM
I think it's easy to fool people who are merely reading words on an internet BBS. Common sense says anyone who can write halfway decent fiction can pretend to be empathetic or sympathetic while actually being neither.

Or vice versa.
Re: Empathy - An Old Fashioned Notion Whose Time Has Passed?
February 15, 2015 09:46PM
"I understand the definitions, but I sincerely doubt that a person can really know, much less feel, what another person is feeling."

I guess some people never have certain inner faculties activated.

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Re: Empathy - An Old Fashioned Notion Whose Time Has Passed?
February 15, 2015 09:55PM
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Kairos
"I understand the definitions, but I sincerely doubt that a person can really know, much less feel, what another person is feeling."

I guess some people never have certain inner faculties activated.


I guess some people will think they have the clairvoyant ability to know what another person is feeling.




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Re: Empathy - An Old Fashioned Notion Whose Time Has Passed?
February 15, 2015 10:11PM
And some people will think that since it's impossible to know what others actually think and feel, who gives a f*ck what they think and feel.

Again, empathy is not about knowing what others are feeling. It's about actually considering what they are feeling regardless of what it actually is. Imagining yourself in their position, what you would feel. One should have some "knowledge" of that at least.

Re: Empathy - An Old Fashioned Notion Whose Time Has Passed?
February 15, 2015 10:19PM
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I guess some people will think they have the clairvoyant ability to know what another person is feeling.

I don't think it even takes a particular degree of perceptiveness to perceive what a person is feeling.

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Re: Empathy - An Old Fashioned Notion Whose Time Has Passed?
February 15, 2015 10:24PM
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Ponderer
And some people will think that since it's impossible to know what others actually think and feel, who gives a f*ck what they think and feel.

Again, empathy is not about knowing what others are feeling. It's about actually considering what they are feeling regardless of what it actually is. Imagining yourself in their position, what you would feel. One should have some "knowledge" of that at least.

Sympathy is derived from Greek words meaning with and feeling. Empathy is an ostentatious and presumptuous step beyond.




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Re: Empathy - An Old Fashioned Notion Whose Time Has Passed?
February 15, 2015 10:34PM
If the idea wasn't valid - we wouldn't have a word for it, Curt.
Re: Empathy - An Old Fashioned Notion Whose Time Has Passed?
February 15, 2015 10:45PM
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Indy!
If the idea wasn't valid - we wouldn't have a word for it, Curt.

Does that mean you think that clairvoyance, telekinesis, and séance are valid ideas because somebody coined those words?




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Re: Empathy - An Old Fashioned Notion Whose Time Has Passed?
February 15, 2015 10:52PM
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Sympathy is derived from Greek words meaning with and feeling. Empathy is an ostentatious and presumptuous step beyond.

Only, because your ego is offended by a concept.

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Re: Empathy - An Old Fashioned Notion Whose Time Has Passed?
February 15, 2015 11:30PM
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Curt Anderson
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Indy!
If the idea wasn't valid - we wouldn't have a word for it, Curt.

Does that mean you think that clairvoyance, telekinesis, and séance are valid ideas because somebody coined those words?


Yes - they are valid ideas with definitions we all understand.
Re: Empathy - An Old Fashioned Notion Whose Time Has Passed?
February 16, 2015 12:02AM
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Indy!
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Curt Anderson
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Indy!
If the idea wasn't valid - we wouldn't have a word for it, Curt.

Does that mean you think that clairvoyance, telekinesis, and séance are valid ideas because somebody coined those words?


Yes - they are valid ideas with definitions we all understand.

Who are you addressing? Has anybody here said they don't understand the definition of empathy? The notion that people can really be empathetic (as the word is defined) and thus be more than sympathetic is debatable.




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Re: Empathy - An Old Fashioned Notion Whose Time Has Passed?
February 16, 2015 02:40AM
Take some MDMA then debate away.

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