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Moral Wisdom

Posted by tuk22 
Moral Wisdom
January 31, 2015 06:29AM
Does this concept make sense to you or are you scratching your head in befuddlement?
Re: Moral Wisdom
January 31, 2015 06:38AM
Wrong forum, sorry... Move to philosophy gracias
Re: Moral Wisdom
January 31, 2015 07:53AM
What's up, Tuk?
Re: Moral Wisdom
January 31, 2015 06:55PM
I think wisdom would come with a certain level of morality.

Re: Moral Wisdom
January 31, 2015 10:32PM
And vice versa - morality comes with a certain level of wisdom.

Which would help explain why ET is not here to take over the planet. They're intelligent - ergo moral. smoking smiley
Re: Moral Wisdom
February 03, 2015 03:30AM
I think Indy once said the hallmark of true liberalism is moral wisdom, or something like that...?

In all honesty, it seems crazy to me why liberals are not more libertarian in thought. Are there moral issues with the philosophy that I'm just not seeing?
Re: Moral Wisdom
February 04, 2015 02:05AM
How do you mean, Tuk? More libertarian how?

Re: Moral Wisdom
February 04, 2015 04:03AM
Liberals and libertarians share the social freedom issues... Drugs, gay marriage, justice reform...

But polar opposites with just about everything else...
Sam
Re: Moral Wisdom
February 04, 2015 05:53AM
I'd guess a big difference = most nonreligious are liberals and most libertarians are Xian and ne'er the two shall meet. IOW, liberals are smart and sane and libertarians are, well, not so muchl. (why does autocorrect capitalize Xian?!)
Re: Moral Wisdom
February 04, 2015 04:41PM
Tuk, what other issues do you think liberals and libertarians should share opinions about other than the ones they already do?

Re: Moral Wisdom
February 04, 2015 11:40PM
Economic freedom and limited government control at the local, state, and the federal level. Eg the living wage. It's an awful idea. But I can see why some defend it because on the surface it seems like the moral thing to do.
Re: Moral Wisdom
February 05, 2015 03:49PM
Tuk, I think both Liberals and libertarians want limited government control at the local, state, and the federal level. IMO, the liberals are just more pragmatic while the libertarians are more idealistic. The libertarians, I think, are closer to the voluntaryists in this regard. Voluntaryism is the next step after graduating from libertarianism. They carry the ideals even further. But as with most such ideologies, although the ideals are great in the abstract, they fail to adequately take into account how human beings actually behave.
Re: Moral Wisdom
February 05, 2015 04:33PM
"Economic freedom and limited government control at the local, state, and the federal level." -Tuk

Could you be a little more vague...? And why is a living wage such a terrible idea?

Re: Moral Wisdom
February 05, 2015 06:18PM
Islander nice defense of the nanny state. Liberals think they know best!

Pondy,

Yes I'm being vague because I was hoping you could tell me what is morally wrong with libertarianism. I thought you had strong opinions against it. IMO If it's both consistent and moral it deserves strong consideration.

And we did discuss what is wrong with the living wage I guess you forgot. We might need strong social services if or when automation occurs on a massive scale, but until then it makes no sense to pay a wage without having someone earn it. In the history of our species we have worked to live. A living wage would destroy that motivation. I could get behind sensible jobs programs, I'm still for giving temporary help, but nobody has a natural right to wealth.
Re: Moral Wisdom
February 05, 2015 06:27PM
So if wages for work become so low that no matter how much you work you can't even afford a place to live, then what should society do?
Re: Moral Wisdom
February 05, 2015 06:34PM
The market has already created solutions with low cost practical housing.
Re: Moral Wisdom
February 05, 2015 06:41PM
Does that include health care coverage?
Re: Moral Wisdom
February 05, 2015 06:46PM
*face palm*

"The market has already created solutions with low cost practical housing." -Tuk

...subsidized by the government. I thought libertarians were against such things. Builders, given their druthers, would rather build houses for well-off people than cheaper ones for poor people. We see time and time again contractors demolishing low-cost housing and putting up homes well beyond poor people to afford, even thought they were just living in the same place.

Re: Moral Wisdom
February 05, 2015 06:46PM
Good point, hon.

What if no one will hire you? Then what should happen?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/05/2015 06:47PM by Hornswoggle.
Re: Moral Wisdom
February 05, 2015 06:50PM
I strongly believe health insurance should not be mandated. People should have the freedom to self insure or take financial risks. Now if you need it and can't afford it we do have Medicaid and I have no problems with our Medicaid system. We have to get rid of the mandate and 10 essential coverage nonsense. People should be able to purchase limited coverage health plans based on their needs.
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