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Nuclear Power grossly inefficient compared to Renewable Energy.

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“But the analysts and salespeople championing nuclear power as a carbon fighter and natural-gas conserver generally forget to add a few critical caveats. For starters, nuclear power remains (the most expensive and captital-intensive fuel on the planet. Once bill as too cheap to meter, nuclear power remains too expensive to build. Since 2003, the cost of constructing a nuclear plant has increased by a rate of 15 percent a year. A 2009 study by the Vermont Law School found that recent cost projections are four times as high as those made a decade ago. Moreover, numerous studies have conluded that renewable energy and efficiency improvements cost but six cents per kilowatt hour, while electicity from nuclear power costs between twelve and twenty cents. The business community has never been fond of such highly centralized technology because it tends to behave like a Soviet commissar with little financial accountability. (Margaret Thatcher tried to privatize England’s nuclear power plants, but no entrepeneurs were dumb enough to volunteer for the money-losing opportunity.) Plagued by cost overruns and technological failures, public utilities served by nulear power carry some of the world’s highest debt loads. In fact, no nuclear power plant has been built in Canada on budget or without taxpayers’ money. Electricite de France, which receives 85 percent of its power from nuclear reactors, is among the most debt ridden companies in the world. So was Ontario Hydro, whose nuclear powered debts led to its dismantling into separate corporations in 1999.”

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Tar Sands: Dirty Oil and the Future of a Continent by Andrew Nikiforuk (2010) p. 150-1 ISBN:978-1-55365-555-8
Re: Nuclear Power grossly inefficient compared to Renewable Energy.
June 26, 2013 04:14PM
Re: Nuclear Power grossly inefficient compared to Renewable Energy.
June 26, 2013 04:26PM
..when the sun is out.
Jun
Re: Nuclear Power grossly inefficient compared to Renewable Energy.
June 26, 2013 04:46PM
Well Whats, what is the energy consumption when the sun is down compared to when it is up?

Furthermore, unconsumed energy could be stored in batteries during dark periods; and supplemented by alternative sources too.

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Re: Nuclear Power grossly inefficient compared to Renewable Energy.
June 26, 2013 04:53PM
"..when the sun is out." -whats

No one is saying solar energy should totally replace all other forms of energy generation, whats.

Re: Nuclear Power grossly inefficient compared to Renewable Energy.
June 26, 2013 05:53PM
Anyone look at what battery waste is? You do understand France took nuclear decades ago before solar was anywhere near where it is today right?
Jun
Re: Nuclear Power grossly inefficient compared to Renewable Energy.
June 26, 2013 06:31PM
(Recyclable) battery wastes vs Nuclear waste? hmm .. tough choice indeed.

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Re: Nuclear Power grossly inefficient compared to Renewable Energy.
June 26, 2013 06:34PM
Yes, but old nuclear power plants eventually develop extremely dangerous leaks that allow nuclear contamination to seep into ground water and have to undergo expensive repairs. Many nuclear power plants in the the U.S. have developed this problem. They recently had to decommission the nuclear plant 40 miles from my home.
Re: Nuclear Power grossly inefficient compared to Renewable Energy.
June 26, 2013 06:38PM
Nuclear energy is the most dangerous, wasteful, expensive, dirty forms of energy generation in existence. All other forms of energy generation don't have to be perfect for that to still be the case.

Re: Nuclear Power grossly inefficient compared to Renewable Energy.
June 26, 2013 07:12PM
How about more Nuclear Batteries then?
Jun
Re: Nuclear Power grossly inefficient compared to Renewable Energy.
June 26, 2013 07:18PM
whats@work Wrote:
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> How about more Nuclear Batteries then?

-_- You are not making any sense.

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- Juni {^á´¥^}


"Don't judge other people just because they sin differently from you!" ~ Anon

Three things you (probably) don't know about Islam
[www.youtube.com]

Welcome To Belgistan -- The New Muslim Capital Of Europe
[www.youtube.com]

Re: Nuclear Power grossly inefficient compared to Renewable Energy.
June 26, 2013 07:23PM
He never makes any sense. His deep hatred of anything that liberals espouse clouds his thinking, but he can't see that because his thinking is clouded.
Re: Nuclear Power grossly inefficient compared to Renewable Energy.
June 26, 2013 07:35PM
Pacemakers, satellites, underwater systems, all contain nuclear batteries. And those batteries are getting smaller and smaller every year.

However, it is a very different thing than a nuclear power plant used for massive electrical generation.
Re: Nuclear Power grossly inefficient compared to Renewable Energy.
June 26, 2013 07:55PM
Plus the more we use them (batteries, renewable energy, electric cars) - the more research we put into them and the more efficient they become.
Re: Nuclear Power grossly inefficient compared to Renewable Energy.
June 26, 2013 08:04PM
Exactly.

If we can get over the manufacturing hurdles of the new battery tech, storage will go up and cost will go down.
Re: Nuclear Power grossly inefficient compared to Renewable Energy.
June 26, 2013 08:30PM
LOL, thanks Cascade at least SOMEONE is tech savvy. Holy TARD class batman.
Jun
Re: Nuclear Power grossly inefficient compared to Renewable Energy.
June 26, 2013 09:11PM
I am aware of what nuclear batteries are, but you were not making sense here.
What has nuclear batteries to do with generating electricity economically for mass consumption by the industries and the general population? Isn't this what we were taking about?

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- Juni {^á´¥^}


"Don't judge other people just because they sin differently from you!" ~ Anon

Three things you (probably) don't know about Islam
[www.youtube.com]

Welcome To Belgistan -- The New Muslim Capital Of Europe
[www.youtube.com]

Re: Nuclear Power grossly inefficient compared to Renewable Energy.
June 26, 2013 09:16PM
They both have the word "nuclear" in them, Jun. See, if we are okay with nuclear batteries, I think whats believes that we have to be okay with nuclear power plants also then or we are flaming hypocrites.

Re: Nuclear Power grossly inefficient compared to Renewable Energy.
June 26, 2013 09:30PM
You do understand that Nuclear Batteries use Nuclear waste right?
Re: Nuclear Power grossly inefficient compared to Renewable Energy.
June 26, 2013 09:43PM
Well then our support of nuclear power plants is even more essential then! And depleted uranium is a byproduct of the enrichment process so I guess I have to be in favor of that too now or I hate nuclear batteries. Dang. eye rolling smiley

Re: Nuclear Power grossly inefficient compared to Renewable Energy.
June 26, 2013 10:12PM
Actually the nuclear batteries that are now being proposed and built are larger than a refrigerator and don't use waste products from traditional plants. They use newly processed radioactive materials. [www.time.com]

However, something like this: [www.gizmag.com] may be able to use waste from traditional plants... but the issues I see are, lack of charging capacity and size. They wouldn't really use much of the over 72,000 tonnes of high-level nuclear waste that the US alone has laying around and no way to use or store.

But, time will tell. I'm sure that if enough thought is put into it someone will come up with something to do with that waste... maybe put it in the water supply to treat balding in men?
Re: Nuclear Power grossly inefficient compared to Renewable Energy.
June 26, 2013 10:58PM
Don't give 'em any ideas, Cas.

Jun
Re: Nuclear Power grossly inefficient compared to Renewable Energy.
June 26, 2013 11:30PM
If you must support 'nuclear energy' -- because you like the ring of it perhaps, then well, the abundant energy from the sun is essentially nuclear energy.

Harvesting of this nuclear energy doesn't require the continuous consumption of depletable raw materials -- which requires energy and water to harvest, transport and process into usable form (not to mention the environmental costs while doing so), and dependent on cheap and stable import and supply of the material, nor does it generate hazardous waste products that needs to be handled and stored with care.

Hence shouldn't renewable energy (such as, but certainly not limited to, solar-nuclear energy) be the primary source of general consumable energy? And as previously mentioned, nobody is saying that other less efficient and depletable energy sources (including natural gas, and nuclear battery technologies) shouldn't be utilized where they are necessary, but certainly not as the main that countries should be dependent on for their energy needs.

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- Juni {^á´¥^}


"Don't judge other people just because they sin differently from you!" ~ Anon

Three things you (probably) don't know about Islam
[www.youtube.com]

Welcome To Belgistan -- The New Muslim Capital Of Europe
[www.youtube.com]

Re: Nuclear Power grossly inefficient compared to Renewable Energy.
June 27, 2013 12:00AM
Actually, solar cell production creates a LOT of toxic waste. That's no reason not to continue to develop the technology and the waste is easier to deal with than tonnes of high-grade nuclear waste.
Jun
Re: Nuclear Power grossly inefficient compared to Renewable Energy.
June 27, 2013 12:39AM
Yes Cascade, however once those solar cells are created, its there -- without need to continuously feeding it expensive processed raw materials and disposing of toxic poop.

The setting up of any kind of power plant always generates some form of wastes. Instead of "does it generate a lot of toxic wastes", I guess a more relevant question would be, "how much?" -- that is relatively speaking compared to its total energy outputs (considered over the period of its lifespan).

Further, there are various ways in which to harness solar energy. Silicon based photo-voltaic solar cells is but one of many.

One which utilizes an array of large mirrors to focus sunlight to boil water to drive a turbine-generator (a technology which is very well established) for instance is substantially less damaging to the environment, and highly efficient.

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- Juni {^á´¥^}


"Don't judge other people just because they sin differently from you!" ~ Anon

Three things you (probably) don't know about Islam
[www.youtube.com]

Welcome To Belgistan -- The New Muslim Capital Of Europe
[www.youtube.com]

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