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CNN projects Scott Walker will win recall election

Posted by IlliniNation88 
CNN projects Scott Walker will win recall election
June 06, 2012 05:06AM
There currently is not a story yet, but CNN is projecting that Scott Walker will win the Wisconsin recall election.

CNN data also shows that President Obama is still the favorite to win the state in November.
Anonymous User
Re: CNN projects Scott Walker will win recall election
June 06, 2012 05:10AM
NBC made the same projection with 28% of the vote in. I saw that that Walker had a 61% to 38% advantage over Barrett. Given the later in the day voters tend to be working people, thus Democrats, I'm a little surprised at the early projection.
Re: CNN projects Scott Walker will win recall election
June 06, 2012 05:16AM
Exit polls indicated it would be much closer than it is right now (walker was up 52-48 according to exit polls). He's currently up 59-40 with 40% reporting. He's retained a large lead the entire night.
Re: CNN projects Scott Walker will win recall election
June 06, 2012 05:16AM
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NBC made the same projection with 28% of the vote in. I saw that that Walker had a 61% to 38% advantage over Barrett. Given the later in the day voters tend to be working people, thus Democrats non-Democrats, I'm a little surprised at the early projection.

Corrected for accuracy.
Re: CNN projects Scott Walker will win recall election
June 06, 2012 06:10AM
Scott Walker wins. A great win for Americans in Wisconsin and this country. Mobocracy loses and the people win. Republic 1 Mobocracy 0.

Re: CNN projects Scott Walker will win recall election
June 06, 2012 06:41AM
To everyone:

Why do you think the Democratic Party allowed the Republican Party to outspend them 10-1 in the recall election?
HHH
Re: CNN projects Scott Walker will win recall election
June 06, 2012 06:56AM
Could you source that? Just would like to know more about that.

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Re: CNN projects Scott Walker will win recall election
June 06, 2012 07:20AM
Yes, I could source that. If you were really interested in the topic, though, you would have already Googled it just as I regularly use Google to research things that people post.
Re: CNN projects Scott Walker will win recall election
June 06, 2012 07:23AM
excessive circle jerks created this problem

office holders granting obscene benefits + union members campaigning for the office holders

tax payers had no voice

math is changing that

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"The masses... do not conceive any ideas, sound or unsound. They only choose between the ideologies developed by the intellectual leaders of mankind. But their choice is final and determines the course of events. If they prefer bad doctrines, nothing can prevent disaster."
Re: CNN projects Scott Walker will win recall election
June 06, 2012 08:04AM
Here's why I think the Democratic Party allowed the Republican Party to outspend them 10-1 in the recall election: They're in the process of jettisoning unions.

After the Citizens United decision came down, I predicted that the Democratic Party would start distancing themselves from unions, since it was clear then that the game would be to attract as much corporate donations as possible. And you can't do that while you're still all lovey-dovey with labor unions. The Walker Recall Election offered the perfect opportunity for the Democratic Party to strike a blow at unions while maintaining a sort of plausible deniability about it.

Look for Obama to put on his long face and deliver a disingenuous address about how he's so terribly disappointed at the outcome.
Re: CNN projects Scott Walker will win recall election
June 06, 2012 08:12AM
and the unions push for globalist goals -- global warming taxes, offshoring, etc...

i'm a card carrying member of one of the big boys

they claim national socialism roots, but support globalist agenda if draped in dim rhetoric

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"The masses... do not conceive any ideas, sound or unsound. They only choose between the ideologies developed by the intellectual leaders of mankind. But their choice is final and determines the course of events. If they prefer bad doctrines, nothing can prevent disaster."
Re: CNN projects Scott Walker will win recall election
June 06, 2012 08:41AM
That's sort of a dumb decision on the Democrats part, Mulva. This victory gives the GOP a lot of momentum and it will force Obama to spend resources that could be spent elsewhere defending Wisconsin. I do not doubt Obama will win Wisconsin in November, but Walkers victory changes the dynamic in Wisconsin. It is also a major victory for the TEA Party and the Republican Party in a strong Democrat state. It vindicates their agenda, at least in Wisconsin. If that was the Democrats plan it was a stupid and risky plan that could easily backfire on them. Whoever thought of it should be without a job.
Re: CNN projects Scott Walker will win recall election
June 06, 2012 08:59AM
Not one Republican lost today in Wisconsin. There were four senate seats that were being recalled as well and the Democrats only needed to win one of those races to take back control of the state senate. All four Republicans won their races:

Wisconsin Recall Election Results

Like I said, if the Democrats really did do this intentionally as Mulva suggests they're stupid. That plan has a real chance of blowing up in their faces. These GOP victories give the GOP more momentum heading into November. The Democrats are in trouble and unless they figure out something quick there is a real possibility President Obama will lose in November and the GOP will take back control of the Senate and could increase their majority in the House.
Re: CNN projects Scott Walker will win recall election
June 06, 2012 02:00PM
They didn't lose because the PEOPLE had already decided what the policy of Wisconsin was going to be. This recall was ONLY based on policy that was already voted on last year. I am happy Wisconsin is able to take back control of it's schools, balance the budget AND not lose any jobs in the process. Good job people of Wisconsin.

HHH
Re: CNN projects Scott Walker will win recall election
June 06, 2012 05:33PM
Mulva, It won't kill you to actually back up your argument with source material (if you have it). It's YOUR argument after all.

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Re: CNN projects Scott Walker will win recall election
June 06, 2012 06:10PM
even FDR was against public sector unions

[www.presidency.ucsb.edu]

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"The masses... do not conceive any ideas, sound or unsound. They only choose between the ideologies developed by the intellectual leaders of mankind. But their choice is final and determines the course of events. If they prefer bad doctrines, nothing can prevent disaster."
HHH
Re: CNN projects Scott Walker will win recall election
June 06, 2012 08:19PM
Isn't it just possible Wisconsin voters actually like their governor's overall performance at least enough to not vote him out of office during his first term? I would argue that had the anti-union laws been up for a vote, they may well have been repealed. The repeal effort may have tried to accomplish too much.

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Re: CNN projects Scott Walker will win recall election
June 06, 2012 08:25PM
I had mixed feelings about the recall as well, HHH.

Seriously.
Re: CNN projects Scott Walker will win recall election
June 06, 2012 08:37PM
"For over a year now, the working people of Wisconsin have been under siege by the fossil fuel, mining, and toxic chemical corporations. Yesterday's recall election was deeply flawed. Thousands of qualified voters were turned away from their polling places. Thousands more were told not to vote, or that election day was yet to come. The corporate media declared the election results while voters still stood in line to vote, and at a time when only the most conservative ward results were reported. Many votes were cast on electronic voting machines that are easy to manipulate because they lack a paper trail. And nearly all of the money spent in the election came from out-of-state big corporate interests. If an election like that is free and fair, then I have a nuke plant in Vermont to sell you."

"Where has Barack Obama been in the course of this struggle? He had time to visit Minnesota and Chicago, but not Wisconsin. He had time for the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and Wall Street financiers, but not for the working people who have already lost so much. If he has had any part at all in this great movement for economic justice and democracy that has arisen in America this past year, President Obama's role has been to oversee the most coordinated and brutal national crackdown on non-violent protesters this country has seen in half a century."

"There are many lessons to what happened in Wisconsin yesterday. Most of those lessons are about the role of big money in politics, and the lengths to which some will go to suppress the right to vote. But one key lesson from this entire recall process -- from the attempts by the Democratic National Committee to cancel the recall effort last year, to the pressure the Obama White House placed on progressives within the Democratic Party not to run in the recall, to the early concession by Mayor Barrett given despite his promises to wait until all the Milwaukee votes were counted -- one key lesson is that the Democratic Party cannot be trusted to defend the interests of regular people."

Comments from Jill Stein, Green Party presidential candidate [www.jillstein.org]
Re: CNN projects Scott Walker will win recall election
June 06, 2012 08:54PM
This took me literally 10 seconds to find. eye rolling smiley

Walker Campaign Expenditures @ $30,000,000
Barrett Campaign Expenditures @ $3,000,000

Ratio of Walker to Barrett campaign expenditures @ 10:1

Walker had a bazooka. Barrett had a slingshot. Barrett had no chance.

This should be the lead story on every news show and in every newspaper tomorrow. The statistics, and the implications with respect to the same, are simply stunning. Simply stunning.

In a purple state like WI, the GOP candidate was able to raise and spend nearly 10 times the amount of money as the Democratic candidate.

In a purple state like WI, the GOP candidate raised so much money that he was essentially able to purchase victory.

In a purple state like WI, Democracy was usurped.

Welcome to the post-Citizens United world of poltics. It's now the law of the land and WI provides Democrats with a great lesson - you can't win elections when the other side has 3 or 4 or 5 or even 10 times the amount of resources as you do.

Democrats need a viable Super-Pac and they need it fast. They need to start knocking down $10M - $20M donations and raise at least $500M before November. The alternative is to sit around and whine and complain about the Kochs and watch the GOP money wave overtake every single one of our candidates.

[www.dailykos.com]

The mistake in that commentary is that the national Democraps had the resources, but chose not to spend a dime in Wisconsin.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/06/2012 08:56PM by Mulva.
Anonymous User
Re: CNN projects Scott Walker will win recall election
June 06, 2012 09:06PM
Jill Stein talks as a politician who never won an election in her life. She wonders why Obama didn't campaign in Wisconsin for Barrett. The boost Barrett might have gotten would more than be offset by a dimunation in Obama's popularity. As a resident of Massachusetts Stein should know what happened in a similar circumstance when Obama campainged for Martha Coakley against Scott Brown. Brown won, Obama lost prestige. If Obama can't transfer his popularity in ultra-democratic Massachusetts, he can't do it in Wisconsin.

Furthermore, there is a legitimate question if politicians should be recalled for having unpopular stances. Recalls should be reserved for malfeasance.
Re: CNN projects Scott Walker will win recall election
June 06, 2012 09:21PM
So Obama should only support candidates who are going to win either way?

If that's the kind of backbone the Ds are going to exhibit - why not elect only jellyfish?

Oh wait...
Anonymous User
Re: CNN projects Scott Walker will win recall election
June 06, 2012 09:34PM
Indy! Wrote:
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> So Obama should only support candidates who are
> going to win either way?
>

No. Obama should only expend the presitige of the presidency when there is a decent chance of helping a candidate win, and the political costs to the president are minimal. That certainly wasn't the case in Wisconsin with an election happening in a few months.
Re: CNN projects Scott Walker will win recall election
June 06, 2012 09:37PM
If Obama can't transfer his popularity in ultra-democratic Massachusetts, he can't do it in Wisconsin.

And maybe he can't win re-election. Which is what the national Democraps' no-show in Wisconsin was really all about - saving their fuhrer, not about doing the right and moral thing.

You know what? I hope Obama loses his ass in November.
Re: CNN projects Scott Walker will win recall election
June 06, 2012 09:43PM
A few comments from Jon Nichols, a Wisconsin native who has done some outstanding coverage of the events in Wisconsin.

The failure of the campaign against Walker, while heartbreaking for Wisconsin union families and the great activist movement that developed to counter the governor and his policies, offers profound lessons not just for Wisconsin but for a nation that is wrestling with fundamental questions of how to counter corporate and conservative power in a Citizens United moment. Those lessons are daunting, as they suggest the “money power” populists and progressives of another era identified as the greatest threat to democracy has now organized itself as a force that cannot be easily thwarted even by determined “people power.”

The Wisconsin result—which followed upon a campaign that saw Walker outspend his Democratic challenger by perhaps 8–1, as the governor’s billionaire backers flooded the state with tens of millions of dollars in “independent” expenditures on his behalf—should send up red flares for Democrats as they prepare for this fall’s presidential and congressional elections. The right has developed a far more sophisticated money-in-politics template than it has ever before employed. That template worked in Wisconsin, on behalf of a deeply divisive and scandal-plagued governor, and it worked.

But the quick calculus that says organized money beats organized people misses the fact that those who sought to depose “the imperial Walker” were also experimenting. They made mistakes, particularly as regards messaging. They were let down by national Democratic players who never quite recognized that Republican National Committee chairman Reince Priebus and “independent” groups on the right were testing and perfecting strategies for November. [...]

Walker’s response was to collect more than $30 million. That was more than anyone running for any office in Wisconsin history had ever raised, and the money came overwhelmingly—more than 70 percent in the final filing—from out of state. That money was well spent; it framed a message rooted in fantasy and fabrication that suggested up was down, right was left and that his economic policies (which spawned the worst job losses in the nation) were “working.”

Walker’s economic policies didn’t work. But his advertisements did; they moved him up in the polls as Democrats and their allies were struggling to identify a candidate to challenge him. And that poll advantage spooked national Democratic strategists, who got overly cautious about engaging with the Wisconsin struggle. There was no caution on the other side; Republican National Committee chairman Reince Preibus, a Wisconsin native, was always “all in,” as were the party’s top donors. And that mattered; a loophole in Wisconsin law allowed Walker to collected unlimited amounts of money during the period before the recall election was formally scheduled. He got collected piles of checks for as much as $500,000. And the billionaires who weren’t donating to his campaign were setting up “independent” expenditures on his behalf—like the one that Joe Ricketts, the guy who got caught out scheming to attack President Obama, organized to defend Walker and attack Barrett.

There’ll be plenty of speculation about whether things in Wisconsin would have been different if Obama, the national Democrats and their donors had gone all in for Barrett. But that misses a deeper point; the unlimited spending that Republicans and their allies can now engage in is a new factor in our politics. And it has the potential to be definitional unless Democrats and progressives figure things out quickly. They should have been on the ground in Wisconsin not just to beat Walker but to get a read on where politics in America is headed in the Citizens United age. [...]

What could Democrats and the unions have done differently? They could have taken a portion of the millions they did spend on television ads attacking Walker—whose negatives were already high and who was taken regular media hits regarding a criminal investigation of his aides and donors—and spent it on early advertising to make the case for collective bargaining and the recall election. Democrats and their allies do a lousy job of framing debates, and that was certainly the case in Wisconsin.

[www.thenation.com]
Re: CNN projects Scott Walker will win recall election
June 06, 2012 09:53PM
BS, Walker's plan is working and the people completely see this (BTW the facts completely verify this to the nTH power). Anything to the contrary is simple, complete and utter liberal BS. When you have NOTHING to stand on you will lose Mulva. All you have here was a Govenor DOING HIS JOB and being called to a re-election over policy. This was nothing more than a political power grab from teh unions that want to at all costs force their peolpe into without say or choice. So again, Mobocracy - 0 vs Rule of law and the Republic - 1.

Re: CNN projects Scott Walker will win recall election
June 06, 2012 10:02PM
"BS, Walker's plan is working" -whats

Bullshit. You can't support that with any real figures.

Walker was being recalled because of policy, yes. A policy of destroying unions that he in no way whatsoever campaigned on. A policy that had he been honest about having as his ulterior motive would have surely lost him the election. He was doing a JOB HE WAS NOT ELECTED TO DO and that has zero effect in helping balance the budget, which was essentially balance when he stepped into office and before he started throwing tens of millions of dollars worth of tax breaks to his corporate cronies. The people's only recourse was a recall just to try to save what they had when his rampage against the middle class started.

There is nothing about Walker not being recalled that will be beneficial to working class Wisconsin residents in any way whatsoever.

Re: CNN projects Scott Walker will win recall election
June 06, 2012 10:03PM
Nichols words should be remembered when watching anything Romney puts out. It's no wonder Milt just lies his ass off about everything - because most people (no names, whatsy) just buy whatever is being sold. No need to check the facts... when Romney says he saved Detroit even though he was nothing more than a deposed former governor whistling in the wind to anyone dumb enough to listen - dadgummit - he's the one who SAVED Detroit!
Re: CNN projects Scott Walker will win recall election
June 06, 2012 10:08PM
History is nothing more than what you can convince the majority it was I guess. Facts are irrelevant nowadays.

Re: CNN projects Scott Walker will win recall election
June 06, 2012 10:09PM
They certainly are to Whatsy. eye rolling smiley
Re: CNN projects Scott Walker will win recall election
June 06, 2012 10:11PM
American electoral politics is a toilet. That needs to be flushed.
Re: CNN projects Scott Walker will win recall election
June 06, 2012 10:23PM
Liberal idiot (redundancy) talking points Let get the facts straight on Wisconsin:

http://www.city-journal.org/2012/22_1_scott-walker.html

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/274360/wisconsins-reforms-are-already-working-christian-schneider#

http://wisupnorth.com/2012/05/walker-plan-working-tourism-grows-8/

Walker is 100% correct and the Mobocracy is 100% completely wrong.

WINNING!!!!!

Re: CNN projects Scott Walker will win recall election
June 06, 2012 10:26PM
Facts mean NOTHING to libtards. This board proves that if anything. One would think that the education that failed Libtards in youth would be replaced by life's wisdom at an later time but as can be clearly seen..this is not to be the case. Sad my little Libtards.

Re: CNN projects Scott Walker will win recall election
June 06, 2012 10:28PM
From Whatsy's first link...

The unions’ cause has been hurt by some widely reported stories of public-sector mischief. The most outrageous was the saga of Warren Eschenbach, an 86-year-old former school crossing guard from Wausau. After he retired, Eschenbach, who lives two doors down from Riverview Elementary, kept helping kids cross the road every morning; it gave him a reason to get up each day, he told a local TV station. But the Wausau teachers’ union didn’t see it that way: it filed a grievance with the city to stop him, since he was no longer a unionized employee.

Such stories of union malfeasance may not be enough to save Walker.




LOL! "Union malfeasance"? First kid who got killed because the 86-YEAR-OLD guy didn't see the car coming would have led to this same author claiming the unions should have put an end to his "help" the day he (was probably forcefully) retired.

If that's all you got, Whatsy - and I'm SURE it is - you may be "winning" - but the country is LOSING.
Re: CNN projects Scott Walker will win recall election
June 06, 2012 10:35PM
Really Indy!? You don't think that was unfair based soley on age? Sorry, had a crossing guard that was in his late 80's that dove in front of a car to save the kids coming home from school. Saved them all and sacrificed himself doing it. Go figure a libtard disciminates.

Re: CNN projects Scott Walker will win recall election
June 06, 2012 10:42PM
"Back in 1959, Wisconsin became the first state to let public employees unionize. The unions spent the next half-century productively, generating lavish benefits for their members. By the time Walker took office in 2011, the overwhelming majority of state and local government workers paid nothing toward the annual contributions to their pension accounts, which equaled roughly 10 percent of their salaries per year. The average employee also used just 6.2 percent of his salary on his health-insurance premium. Among Walker’s reforms, therefore, was requiring employees to start paying 5.8 percent of their salaries, on average, toward their pensions and to double their health-insurance payments to 12.4 percent of their salaries. These two changes, Walker estimated, would save local governments $724 million annually, letting him cut state aid to localities and reduce Wisconsin’s $3.6 billion biennial deficit." -from whats' link

Why simply save a relatively balanced budget by not handing out shitloads of tax dollars to corporate interests when you can just go ahead and lavish those tax breaks on the corporate interests anyway and then just yank the money out of workers' paychecks in huge unaffordable chunks to make up the difference? Brilliant! Screw the workers! They aren't funding Walker's campaigns and filling his anonymous legal defense fund coffers like the out of state billionaires who he actually answers to do.

Re: CNN projects Scott Walker will win recall election
June 06, 2012 10:45PM
whats@work Wrote:
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> Really Indy!? You don't think that was unfair
> based soley on age? Sorry, had a crossing guard
> that was in his late 80's that dove in front of a
> car to save the kids coming home from school.
> Saved them all and sacrificed himself doing it.
> Go figure a libtard disciminates.




WTF? Are you off your meds again? Which 80-yr-old crossing guard are you referring to? Or is this just something you pulled out of your *ss again?
Re: CNN projects Scott Walker will win recall election
June 06, 2012 10:53PM
The average employee also used just 6.2 percent of his salary on his health-insurance premium.

And republicons like to call that "lavish". That kind of propaganda might work on Generation X-ers (or Y-ers), but us old farts know better.

When I started my I/T career back in '79, the company I worked for, a bank, subsidized all of my health care premium. That was pretty much the norm back in the day.

Young voters never lived in that America. That's part of the problem. They don't know how bad they have it. And they don't know how good it could be - should be.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 06/06/2012 10:56PM by Mulva.
Re: CNN projects Scott Walker will win recall election
June 06, 2012 11:27PM
+1 on that. I remember as a teenager bouncing from job to job that EVERY employer used to throw "FREE 100% healthcare" at me during the interview process and I used to always yawn and think Big deal... every employer does that. It was that way up into the 1990s too. The job I had up until '92 had free (and total) healthcare, prescription drugs, vision care and dental - EVERYTHING.
HHH
Re: CNN projects Scott Walker will win recall election
June 06, 2012 11:50PM
Mulva - It took you ten seconds to not answer the question, you mean. eye rolling smiley Where's the part about the DNC being outspent 10 to 1?

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